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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
August 25 2011 13:42 GMT
#441
Fuck yeah, Tyler. Would also love to see Demuslim and Major. More zergs wouldn't be bad, though (Nerchio?).
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 13:54:04
August 25 2011 13:53 GMT
#442
On August 25 2011 22:36 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 22:33 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote:
NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament

The prize of that tournament was top 8 = invite.
Was he top 8? Does he deserve the prize?

I can understand that it is somewhat unfair, because the winners of that tournament aren't coming. But when the winner of a tournament doesn't take his prize, it always goes to somebody who ended second, not the guy who got beaten in an early round by the winner.


I'm not saying he's right or wrong I am saying he has every reason to complain and feel like he got ripped off. Maybe NASL couldn't feasibly rerun the tournament, or open up registrations again. If I were NASL I would probably have opted for the latter since more people would likely register now that they won't get crushed by Koreans

Yeah I agree with that last part. But still don't agree with the ripped off part. The previous tournament prize was clear, top 8 = qualified. Desrow didn't make it so he didn't get an invite.

However, I understand that he feels that the current invited players do not deserve to be in the NASL more than he does, and that a new tournament is a correcter way to select the new players.

But Desrow didn't get ripped off because he paid to be in the first tournament. At least that is how I see it.

And to conclude, I somewhat agree with Desrow but NASL is in charge and that is it.
NASL could have organized a new tournament. It has been more than 10 days since the Koreans decided not to show up, and that is more than enough time to organize a new tournament. But maybe there were schedule conflicts and/or people who are in vacation. Who knows?
I feel that the NASL is not to blame for this one.
I had a good night of sleep.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
August 25 2011 15:05 GMT
#443
On August 23 2011 22:36 nekoconeco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 15:14 nekoconeco wrote:
Qualified

(T)PuMa -- winner NASL Open Tournament
(T)Fenix -- playoffs NASL S1
(T)TLO -- playoffs NASL S1
(T)SjoW -- playoffs NASL S1
(T)Strelok -- NASL S1
(T)dde -- playoffs NASL S1
(T)BRAT_OK -- playoffs NASL S1
(T)Rain -- UNCONFIRMED top 8 NASL Open Tournament
(T)sC -- UNCONFIRMED winner NASL S2 Qualifier
(T)SeleCT -- UNCONFIRMED top 8 NASL S1
(T)Liquid`Jinro - NEW Based off of success
(T)qxc - NEW Based off of recent resurgence (aka Jedi All Kill)

(Z)Sheth -- top 16 NASL S1
(Z)MorroW -- top 16 NASL S1
(Z)DarKFoRcE -- top 8 NASL S1
(Z)MoMaN -- playoffs NASL S1
(Z)mOOnGLaDe -- NASL S1
(Z)Ret -- top 16 NASL S1
(Z)Sen -- 3rd NASL S1
(Z)IdrA -- playoffs NASL S1
(Z)LoWeLy - NEW Based off of qualifying tournament

(P)KiWiKaKi -- playoffs NASL S1
(P)White-Ra -- top1 6 NASL S1
(P)TT1 -- playoffs NASL S1
(P)CrunCher -- playoffs NASL S1
(P)iNcontroL -- NASL S1
(P)Squirtle -- top 8 NASL S1
(P)Axslav -- playoffs NASL S1
(P)HasuObs -- top 16 NASL S1
(P)MaNa -- playoffs NASL S1
(P)Socke -- playoffs NASL S1
(P)Liquid`HerO -- semi final NASL S2 Qualifier
(P)NightEnD - NEW Based off of fact he qualified, also took a game off puma at finals (thx Xeris)
(P)HuK - NEW Based off of success


Who Decided not to Return:

(T)Stalife -- work
(P)NaNiwa -- personal reasons
(T)ThorZaIN -- going to Korea
(T)BoxeR -- declined to comment
(T)NaDa -- personal reasons

(T)Ensnare -- sc2con
(Z)Zenio -- sc2con
ACE -- sc2con
(P)MC -- sc2con
(Z)July -- sc2con
(T)aLive -- sc2con
(T)Clide -- sc2con
(Z)RevivaL -- sc2con
(T)TOP -- sc2con
(P)MarineKing -- sc2con
(T)mOoNan -- sc2con
(Z)Check -- sc2con
(T)Polt -- sc2con
(Z)Moon -- sc2con

From http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20110727nasl-season-2-players


So with NASL reducing the number of total players this season to 45 that leaves 11 positions remaining by my count. The number stands currently at 12 T, 9 Z, 13 P so I think they need more Zergs.



lol basically nearly all koreans decided not to play.
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
August 25 2011 15:29 GMT
#444
WTH, why so few Koreans? Tournaments are boring without Koreans...
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
August 25 2011 15:36 GMT
#445
On August 26 2011 00:29 s3183529 wrote:
WTH, why so few Koreans? Tournaments are boring without Koreans...


Good job on keeping up with the scene lol

On the other hand... Tyler fighting !
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 15:50:20
August 25 2011 15:47 GMT
#446
On August 26 2011 00:36 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 00:29 s3183529 wrote:
WTH, why so few Koreans? Tournaments are boring without Koreans...


Good job on keeping up with the scene lol

On the other hand... Tyler fighting !

I don't get what you mean? what scene though, explain pleaze . And why do the Koreans withdraw? I don't know anything about it
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
August 25 2011 15:49 GMT
#447
Koreans backed out of NASL.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
August 25 2011 15:50 GMT
#448
On August 26 2011 00:47 s3183529 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 00:36 SpiZe wrote:
On August 26 2011 00:29 s3183529 wrote:
WTH, why so few Koreans? Tournaments are boring without Koreans...


Good job on keeping up with the scene lol

On the other hand... Tyler fighting !

I don't get what you mean? what scene though, explain pleaze

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750

If you want more information I suggest you type in "NASL Korea" in the search bar.
I had a good night of sleep.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
August 25 2011 15:56 GMT
#449
People also have to keep in mind that say they hosted the qualifiers after 1 week of announce/prep/ and production for said qualifier they would also have to do production work for the to be decided winners and doing art and graphics for 14 players whilst on deadline is very hard if not impossible given what NASL has to work with.

You also have to take into account of booking the venue ahead of time and the fact that you cannot simply change those dates after the paperwork has been signed etc etc
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
August 25 2011 15:57 GMT
#450
On August 25 2011 19:10 j4ckd4v13z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 18:30 Tommylew wrote:
What is Desrow doing wrong, the was qualifiers before the Koreans entered where good palyers were knocked out in early round agaisnt the very Koreans who have now pulled out. Suddently old players along with invites are getting in who didnt even enter tournaments. A qualifer tournament would of been a lot fairer giving a chance for old players who previousley didnt qualify due to poorer performance and also newer players who got nocked out vs the koreans previously.

Fair enough saying their league and they can do what they want, which is what 90% of tournaments are like and after wc3(where the same players awlays got invited). I hope sc2 becomes a much fairer game where up and coming players can try and qualify!!!




I agree with this, he paid to enter the qualifying tournament of which he was knocked out of by the koreans who then pulled out. NASL then just invited players who they wanted. Doesn't seem fair on players trying to make a name for themselves when the more populars are just prioritised


THERE YA GO someone with a bit of sense
:D
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
August 25 2011 15:58 GMT
#451
fuck yes

+ Show Spoiler +
DIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 15:59:50
August 25 2011 15:59 GMT
#452
On August 26 2011 00:56 echO [W] wrote:
People also have to keep in mind that say they hosted the qualifiers after 1 week of announce/prep/ and production for said qualifier they would also have to do production work for the to be decided winners and doing art and graphics for 14 players whilst on deadline is very hard if not impossible given what NASL has to work with.

You also have to take into account of booking the venue ahead of time and the fact that you cannot simply change those dates after the paperwork has been signed etc etc


your simply giving NASL an easy way out for their excuse.
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 16:11:31
August 25 2011 16:06 GMT
#453
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote:
NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament


Randomly inviting people?

1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.

2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.

3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?

In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.

4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).

This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.

desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
August 25 2011 16:12 GMT
#454
So, Xeris, Bubbles will be getting an invite then, since he lost to Thorzain a round before qualifying? And the fact that Thorzain isn't in.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 25 2011 16:38 GMT
#455
On August 26 2011 01:12 Dexington wrote:
So, Xeris, Bubbles will be getting an invite then, since he lost to Thorzain a round before qualifying? And the fact that Thorzain isn't in.


He better!@
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 25 2011 16:40 GMT
#456
Your player selection is arbitrary. You're giving out all sorts of justifications for inviting players beyond the order that they placed in the qualifier tournament. It's your tournament and you can do what you want with it. You're right though, there is nothing random about your selection process. It's obviously all very calculated. But that doesn't necessarily make it fair to those who paid money to take part in a qualifier. I do find it strange you take such exception to my using the term random when you throw out that I'm "randomly hating"

I don't even know who desrow is I can just see his side in all of this.

The question is, does it matter where people placed in a qualifier tournament if it it's almost completely invalidated by the decisions made by NASL? What kind of confidence does that give players the next time you charge money for a qualifier and some unusual circumstance arises that gives you leave to say "welp, this guy's team petitioned him, this guy is cool, gotta have Nony up in here too" it's all Korea's fault anyway so who cares right
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 25 2011 16:46 GMT
#457
Tyler returns? Is there a rational chance that we see GoOdy as well? I mean if you consider results, GoOdy is probably second to none of the people who were eliminated, considering his several championships of the small cups (only small in prize money, but several good players in them nonetheless).
Well, Tyler did finish better in the group stages, but you cannot really compare that since it was not the same group and one group might be harder than the other.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 16:50:24
August 25 2011 16:48 GMT
#458
On August 26 2011 01:40 floor exercise wrote:
Your player selection is arbitrary. You're giving out all sorts of justifications for inviting players beyond the order that they placed in the qualifier tournament. It's your tournament and you can do what you want with it. You're right though, there is nothing random about your selection process. It's obviously all very calculated. But that doesn't necessarily make it fair to those who paid money to take part in a qualifier. I do find it strange you take such exception to my using the term random when you throw out that I'm "randomly hating"

I don't even know who desrow is I can just see his side in all of this.

The question is, does it matter where people placed in a qualifier tournament if it it's almost completely invalidated by the decisions made by NASL? What kind of confidence does that give players the next time you charge money for a qualifier and some unusual circumstance arises that gives you leave to say "welp, this guy's team petitioned him, this guy is cool, gotta have Nony up in here too" it's all Korea's fault anyway so who cares right


I don't understand where you're getting this "arbitrary" selection. The only choice we made "arbitrarily" was HuK. The other people we took were from qualifiers or from season 1.

For example, we created a backup list of players of Season 1 people and sent it to them in case players dropped out of Season 2. It just so happens that we lost a ton of players and had to utilize that backup. The rest of the players were taken from qualifiers (except HuK).

There's very little about this process that was arbitrary. If you take the explanations on the NASL site as literal, then I don't know what to tell you.

If I say that I had the best hamburger in the world yesterday, it doesn't actually mean it was the best hamburger in the world. If an advertisement says that Panda Express is "gourmet" Chinese food, it doesnt mean that it's actually gourmet. It's an ad... ads are supposed to make the product look good. A news post talking about a player in the NASL is supposed to make them look good.

What do you want me to say "we randomly chose Tyler even tho hes a newb" ? Sorry if that's what you think -- I'm going to stop arguing with you now because we clearly have different views

twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 17:15:15
August 25 2011 17:12 GMT
#459
On August 26 2011 01:06 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote:
NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament


Randomly inviting people?

1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.

2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.

3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?

In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.

4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).

This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.

desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!


Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.

Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
August 25 2011 17:22 GMT
#460
On August 26 2011 02:12 desrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 01:06 Xeris wrote:
On August 25 2011 22:29 floor exercise wrote:
NASL took people's money for a S2 qualifier tournament. Now they are just randomly inviting people who will get them more viewers. I think Desrow has every right to complain if he paid money and participated in that tournament


Randomly inviting people?

1) The only person who is in NASL now that didn't play a qualifier was HuK. If you think he's not one of the top players and should be in the league you're out of your mind.

2) We didn't even invite HuK, his team petitioned us to put him in. I didn't see anyone emailing me to get desrow in, nor did he even contact me himself. Believe it or not, players need to make an effort sometimes, or have teams that care enough about their players to make an effort for them. desrow apparently has neither, so I feel bad for him.

3) Other players we have in the league such as iNkA were 1 round away from qualifying. desrow lost in the first round of the open tournament to a foreigner, and lost in the second round of the 2nd tournament to a Korean (after getting a free win against a foreigner round 1). So, congrats to desrow for winning 0 rounds in 2 NASL qualifying tournaments and expecting favors?

In what way would desrow have deserved a spot in the league given that he couldn't even beat a foreigner who only got to round 2 of the open tournament (losing to another foreigner). Even the worst player in NASL Season 1 won games... What I mean by this is; since we don't have time to host another qualifier, and we had to add people from previous qualifiers or Season 1, desrow didn't do ANYTHING to warrant any consideration.

4) Other players who are back in the league were pretty close to making it back anyway (I.E. Tyler who was 1 spot away), or have nice accomplishments since then that warrant their coming back (I.E. Qxc who all killed IM and has been training in Korea for months).

This random hate is really silly, floor exercise. But really, thanks for all the incredibly accurate information you seem to know.

desrow, I'm sorry you feel sleighted. You had 2 chances to qualify, you didn't. You will have more opportunities for season 3. Thanks for your concern though!


Do you think I've been arguing all these pages only for myself ? What about vvv time who was 1 round away also? I know I did poor in the first one and losing 1-2 to ogsvines is not bad but there are other cases that are just outrageous. Onebubbles is another example. Thanks for being a total dick to me when I'm just trying to question your methods and make the community aware of how shady you are and how badly you are handling the fact that the entire korean community bailed on you.

Good luck at stealing seats this week end, I already have my pop corn ready on Monday and will be happily spamming f5 on reddit.

Honestly considering how bitter you sound, these are extremely good reasons to be a total dick to you.

Also, are people really arguing that they're inviting players based on who they like (which isn't actually entirely the case) after their entire season 1 was based exactly on that?
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