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Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:03:52
November 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#221
On November 17 2011 12:39 rave[wcr] wrote:
we need a gus "the criminal" lesdesma meme


[image loading]


On November 17 2011 13:01 Dox wrote:
The VOD's are already up ->

Thanks for this
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 17 2011 04:04 GMT
#222
On November 17 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:
Well based on reading the transcripts on the thread, I think Gus just basically confirmed what we knew all along.

He's awfully incompetent when organizing events. And with that he just announced to the world that he doesn't belong in esports.


So let's lynch him?

I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed.

Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on.
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
November 17 2011 04:04 GMT
#223
On November 17 2011 13:01 Dox wrote:
The VOD's are already up -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRIg5WMOoxQ


Watch the VOD, it gives you a better perspective on the person. Also he sounds like Chucky from SoA
stu >)
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2011 04:04 GMT
#224
On November 17 2011 12:59 Fruscainte wrote:

It's not the goal of the community that's wrong. It's the way that they are handling it that's pathetically immature.


All this hating and bashing is making me hate him less, actually. Everyone so harsh T.T
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XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 17 2011 04:05 GMT
#225
So basically community helped pay for Gus's event(which he profited from?) and Gus doesn't own up to it. So he steals who knows how much money.

And he dodges obvious Cancelling Flights and Attempting Bribing of Players.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:08:15
November 17 2011 04:06 GMT
#226
On November 17 2011 13:04 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:
Well based on reading the transcripts on the thread, I think Gus just basically confirmed what we knew all along.

He's awfully incompetent when organizing events. And with that he just announced to the world that he doesn't belong in esports.


So let's lynch him?

I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed.

Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on.


I guess you never heard about what he tried to do denying YJY flight and bribing moonGlade for his Spot...

Dox's Blog on the Fiasco


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
Never GG MKP | IdrA
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 17 2011 04:06 GMT
#227
Oh just remember, "And.... we still don't hear from Team AZK who are also party to the PPSL fiasco." Or wait, is Gus just Team AZK so it enough that he does all the statements for the whole team?

Just saying, just saying...
JamSam
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom50 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:16:25
November 17 2011 04:07 GMT
#228
Need a bastard like Slasher for the job, GET ON IT SLASHER!
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:09:17
November 17 2011 04:07 GMT
#229
Everyone, imagine the Pulp fiction SAY WHAT AGAIN, scene, except that it's now Gus being yelled at by Samuel L Jackson.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
November 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#230
On November 17 2011 12:59 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:56 Sein wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:49 Fruscainte wrote:
I know this guy is a total douchebag, asshole, and scum of the earth in every possible way. However, what do you hope to accomplish in this? Mindlessly berating him every single chance you get like a fucking lynch mob? Yes, he deserves to get some damn time for what he did and be barred from ever organizing anything ever other than his own birthday party. However, come the fuck on. It's not like he murdered 20 children, he was just stupid and fucked some people over that really didn't deserve it. He doesn't need to be crucified 24/7.

Perhaps if people didn't hop all over his ass every chance they could get, he wouldn't be a stuttering mess. You would be freaking out just like him if hundreds of thousands of people were at your throat at all times of the day no matter what and you just lost all respect from anyone and everyone in the field that you presumably love.

Like I said, he needs to have legal repercussions for what he did and have punishment from the community in the form of never being allowed to organize, or even participate in events ever again, or at least for a VERY damn long time. However, the way that this and every other community is treating him like he's freaking Osama Bin Laden and wanting to hang his decapitated body from high above and march him through the city for his evil deeds is just sad.

Basically, chill the hell out guys. This partially out of basic common sense, and partially out of I'm tired of seeing this shit all the time damn time when it always dissolves into the same thread every single time -- "LOL GUS IS SO BAD LOOK AT HIM TRYING TO COVER HIS ASS LIKE A LITTLE BITCH XD LETS LAUGH AT HIM SOME MORE"


The thing is, IGN already said that they will not pursue legal repercussions and Amanda doesn't seem to have any way of making Gus take legal responsibilities either. It's frustrating and it's understandable that the community is flaming him.

Nobody wants him decapitated and nobody thinks he murdered 20 children, by the way.


It's not the goal of the community that's wrong. It's the way that they are handling it that's pathetically immature.


Specifically how would you like the community to handle this then? People here care a lot about how the eSports scene is developing and as we are all humans, emotions will be involved to different degrees. I think it's unreasonable to expect everyone to say "Ok, so he should face legal repercussions. The end".
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:09:11
November 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#231
On November 17 2011 13:02 Bagration wrote:
Dangit Rachel, I appreciate the work that you have put in and for even obtaining this interview, but I wish you would go hardball on Gus. This man has screwed over so many people and now several thousand dollars has gone AWOL. There is no need to politeness here, hammer him with the tough questions and continue to press when he dodges the question.

As for the possibility of him bailing on the interview, that would only damage him further. But letting him dodge questions and present what he wants to say is simply giving him a platform to acquit himself.

Still, thanks for all of the work you put in.

To quote Rachel from her Twitter:
Sorry if some of you thought I was a little soft on Gus, but it was kid gloves or no interview at all. VoD's up on YouTube.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2011 04:09 GMT
#232
All these people claiming Rachel did an inadequate job think they know how to conduct interviews.

You aren't supposed to ask accusatory questions directly or ask questions that imply guilt. All you are supposed to do is present the facts, present what is known, and ask for an explanation of what happened. Blaming him with questions isn't going to get an answer, and in fact will only have given him a better chance to defend himself.

I think she did a great job staying level headed and mostly impartial.

Seriously guys learn2interview
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Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
November 17 2011 04:11 GMT
#233
On November 17 2011 13:04 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:
Well based on reading the transcripts on the thread, I think Gus just basically confirmed what we knew all along.

He's awfully incompetent when organizing events. And with that he just announced to the world that he doesn't belong in esports.


So let's lynch him?

I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed.

Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on.


Simple answer my friend, money is lost and he can't even account for it.
Make him accountable, this is what this whole thing is about. Tbh, the amanda thing was a mistake. As Chill said, it sets a bad precedent. And, and this is a big WHAT IF, the whole thing is a scam, a la Keyser Soze. Just saying. That's why we have to get to the very bottom of this, and hit Gus "Criminal" Ledesma really hard.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:13:29
November 17 2011 04:12 GMT
#234
On November 17 2011 13:09 lichter wrote:
All these people claiming Rachel did an inadequate job think they know how to conduct interviews.

You aren't supposed to ask accusatory questions directly or ask questions that imply guilt. All you are supposed to do is present the facts, present what is known, and ask for an explanation of what happened. Blaming him with questions isn't going to get an answer, and in fact will only have given him a better chance to defend himself.

I think she did a great job staying level headed and mostly impartial.

Seriously guys learn2interview


Except for the Part were Gus didn't relay any Actual Factoids himself he basically just said he screwed up.

I'm more inclined to believe he made off with a lot of money doing this tournament. At the Expense of the Communities Donations

After he bribed players and Denied Qualified Players Flights
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
November 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#235
On November 17 2011 13:00 Dox wrote:
For the people hating on Rachel / CSN for the interview, she did fine. Gus had more than enough opportunities to come clean during that show. He chose not to. If you grilled him he'd either just hang up the call or give the same responses.


Thank you, that is a valid point. Just to clear up, I certainly wasn't "hating" on Rachel or CSN with my comment about how Rachel was way too nice on him.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2011 04:14 GMT
#236
On November 17 2011 13:11 Zvek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 13:04 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:
Well based on reading the transcripts on the thread, I think Gus just basically confirmed what we knew all along.

He's awfully incompetent when organizing events. And with that he just announced to the world that he doesn't belong in esports.


So let's lynch him?

I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed.

Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on.


Simple answer my friend, money is lost and he can't even account for it.
Make him accountable, this is what this whole thing is about. Tbh, the amanda thing was a mistake. As Chill said, it sets a bad precedent. And, and this is a big WHAT IF, the whole thing is a scam, a la Keyser Soze. Just saying. That's why we have to get to the very bottom of this, and hit Gus "Criminal" Ledesma really hard.


I agree that holding him accountable (legally, if that is possible) is a must..

But insulting him on the internet (and really, most of the posts being questioned are just insults, even if true) isn't really hitting him really hard. Nor does it really help?

He needs to pay though.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
November 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#237
Rachel, you were nice to him. But good interview.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 17 2011 04:16 GMT
#238
On November 17 2011 13:11 Zvek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 13:04 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 13:02 pdd wrote:
Well based on reading the transcripts on the thread, I think Gus just basically confirmed what we knew all along.

He's awfully incompetent when organizing events. And with that he just announced to the world that he doesn't belong in esports.


So let's lynch him?

I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed.

Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on.


Simple answer my friend, money is lost and he can't even account for it.
Make him accountable, this is what this whole thing is about. Tbh, the amanda thing was a mistake. As Chill said, it sets a bad precedent. And, and this is a big WHAT IF, the whole thing is a scam, a la Keyser Soze. Just saying. That's why we have to get to the very bottom of this, and hit Gus "Criminal" Ledesma really hard.


I couldn't agree with you more it makes me angry this Gus guy probably made off with alot of money from this Tournament at the Expense of the Community
Never GG MKP | IdrA
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2011 04:17 GMT
#239
On November 17 2011 13:12 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 13:09 lichter wrote:
All these people claiming Rachel did an inadequate job think they know how to conduct interviews.

You aren't supposed to ask accusatory questions directly or ask questions that imply guilt. All you are supposed to do is present the facts, present what is known, and ask for an explanation of what happened. Blaming him with questions isn't going to get an answer, and in fact will only have given him a better chance to defend himself.

I think she did a great job staying level headed and mostly impartial.

Seriously guys learn2interview


Except for the Part were Gus didn't relay any Actual Factoids himself he basically just said he screwed up.

I'm more inclined to believe he made off with a lot of money doing this tournament. At the Expense of the Communities Donations

After he bribed players and Denied Qualified Players Flights


Well now that the questions asked didn't get the answers we wanted, we can say that maybe the questions weren't enough... but with such tame and unbiased questions that gave Gus a chance to explain, he still avoided saying anything... do you think he would have said anything had he been outright accused? And like Rachel mentioned on twitter, it was nice interview or no interview at all -_-

Not saying I am satisfied with the answers, or the interview, but I think she did a good job with what she could do. The interview fell short of expectations because of Gus, not Rachel.
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Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 17 2011 04:18 GMT
#240
On November 17 2011 13:08 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:59 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:56 Sein wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:49 Fruscainte wrote:
I know this guy is a total douchebag, asshole, and scum of the earth in every possible way. However, what do you hope to accomplish in this? Mindlessly berating him every single chance you get like a fucking lynch mob? Yes, he deserves to get some damn time for what he did and be barred from ever organizing anything ever other than his own birthday party. However, come the fuck on. It's not like he murdered 20 children, he was just stupid and fucked some people over that really didn't deserve it. He doesn't need to be crucified 24/7.

Perhaps if people didn't hop all over his ass every chance they could get, he wouldn't be a stuttering mess. You would be freaking out just like him if hundreds of thousands of people were at your throat at all times of the day no matter what and you just lost all respect from anyone and everyone in the field that you presumably love.

Like I said, he needs to have legal repercussions for what he did and have punishment from the community in the form of never being allowed to organize, or even participate in events ever again, or at least for a VERY damn long time. However, the way that this and every other community is treating him like he's freaking Osama Bin Laden and wanting to hang his decapitated body from high above and march him through the city for his evil deeds is just sad.

Basically, chill the hell out guys. This partially out of basic common sense, and partially out of I'm tired of seeing this shit all the time damn time when it always dissolves into the same thread every single time -- "LOL GUS IS SO BAD LOOK AT HIM TRYING TO COVER HIS ASS LIKE A LITTLE BITCH XD LETS LAUGH AT HIM SOME MORE"


The thing is, IGN already said that they will not pursue legal repercussions and Amanda doesn't seem to have any way of making Gus take legal responsibilities either. It's frustrating and it's understandable that the community is flaming him.

Nobody wants him decapitated and nobody thinks he murdered 20 children, by the way.


It's not the goal of the community that's wrong. It's the way that they are handling it that's pathetically immature.


Specifically how would you like the community to handle this then? People here care a lot about how the eSports scene is developing and as we are all humans, emotions will be involved to different degrees. I think it's unreasonable to expect everyone to say "Ok, so he should face legal repercussions. The end".


No, I don't expect that kind of passivity at all.

However, what I would like to see is a bit of a step down from treating him worse than the Penn State rapist when I juxtapose the threads for each of them. I mean, it's just silly. I don't know another way to put it, honestly. It's just childish, silly, and rather impetuous to just kneejerk like this into constant berating over something that doesn't even affect you.

Is it wrong to be angry? No. Is it wrong to want answers and justice? Not at all.

However, you can demand those without acting like a lynch mob. Screaming at him like bloody maniacs only makes him recluse more and more into his little shell and try to find more answers to wiggle himself out of the situation.
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