EPTOn November 17 2011 12:39 rave[wcr] wrote:
we need a gus "the criminal" lesdesma meme
we need a gus "the criminal" lesdesma meme
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On November 17 2011 13:01 Dox wrote:
The VOD's are already up ->
The VOD's are already up ->
Thanks for this
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Zvek
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Fruscainte
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On November 17 2011 13:02 pdd wrote: Well based on reading the transcripts on the thread, I think Gus just basically confirmed what we knew all along. He's awfully incompetent when organizing events. And with that he just announced to the world that he doesn't belong in esports. So let's lynch him? I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed. Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on. | ||
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greatZERG
Australia755 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:01 Dox wrote: The VOD's are already up -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRIg5WMOoxQ Watch the VOD, it gives you a better perspective on the person. Also he sounds like Chucky from SoA | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:59 Fruscainte wrote: It's not the goal of the community that's wrong. It's the way that they are handling it that's pathetically immature. All this hating and bashing is making me hate him less, actually. Everyone so harsh T.T | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
And he dodges obvious Cancelling Flights and Attempting Bribing of Players. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:04 Fruscainte wrote: So let's lynch him? I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed. Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on. I guess you never heard about what he tried to do denying YJY flight and bribing moonGlade for his Spot... Dox's Blog on the Fiasco http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600 | ||
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17Sphynx17
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Just saying, just saying... | ||
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JamSam
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:59 Fruscainte wrote: It's not the goal of the community that's wrong. It's the way that they are handling it that's pathetically immature. Specifically how would you like the community to handle this then? People here care a lot about how the eSports scene is developing and as we are all humans, emotions will be involved to different degrees. I think it's unreasonable to expect everyone to say "Ok, so he should face legal repercussions. The end". | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:02 Bagration wrote: Dangit Rachel, I appreciate the work that you have put in and for even obtaining this interview, but I wish you would go hardball on Gus. This man has screwed over so many people and now several thousand dollars has gone AWOL. There is no need to politeness here, hammer him with the tough questions and continue to press when he dodges the question. As for the possibility of him bailing on the interview, that would only damage him further. But letting him dodge questions and present what he wants to say is simply giving him a platform to acquit himself. Still, thanks for all of the work you put in. To quote Rachel from her Twitter: Sorry if some of you thought I was a little soft on Gus, but it was kid gloves or no interview at all. VoD's up on YouTube. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
You aren't supposed to ask accusatory questions directly or ask questions that imply guilt. All you are supposed to do is present the facts, present what is known, and ask for an explanation of what happened. Blaming him with questions isn't going to get an answer, and in fact will only have given him a better chance to defend himself. I think she did a great job staying level headed and mostly impartial. Seriously guys learn2interview | ||
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Zvek
Faroe Islands102 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:04 Fruscainte wrote: So let's lynch him? I mean, honestly, what else is there to say to this? He's terrible at it. He tried and failed. Let's get Amanda's money back and just move on. Simple answer my friend, money is lost and he can't even account for it. Make him accountable, this is what this whole thing is about. Tbh, the amanda thing was a mistake. As Chill said, it sets a bad precedent. And, and this is a big WHAT IF, the whole thing is a scam, a la Keyser Soze. Just saying. That's why we have to get to the very bottom of this, and hit Gus "Criminal" Ledesma really hard. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:09 lichter wrote: All these people claiming Rachel did an inadequate job think they know how to conduct interviews. You aren't supposed to ask accusatory questions directly or ask questions that imply guilt. All you are supposed to do is present the facts, present what is known, and ask for an explanation of what happened. Blaming him with questions isn't going to get an answer, and in fact will only have given him a better chance to defend himself. I think she did a great job staying level headed and mostly impartial. Seriously guys learn2interview Except for the Part were Gus didn't relay any Actual Factoids himself he basically just said he screwed up. I'm more inclined to believe he made off with a lot of money doing this tournament. At the Expense of the Communities Donations After he bribed players and Denied Qualified Players Flights | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:00 Dox wrote: For the people hating on Rachel / CSN for the interview, she did fine. Gus had more than enough opportunities to come clean during that show. He chose not to. If you grilled him he'd either just hang up the call or give the same responses. Thank you, that is a valid point. Just to clear up, I certainly wasn't "hating" on Rachel or CSN with my comment about how Rachel was way too nice on him. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:11 Zvek wrote: Simple answer my friend, money is lost and he can't even account for it. Make him accountable, this is what this whole thing is about. Tbh, the amanda thing was a mistake. As Chill said, it sets a bad precedent. And, and this is a big WHAT IF, the whole thing is a scam, a la Keyser Soze. Just saying. That's why we have to get to the very bottom of this, and hit Gus "Criminal" Ledesma really hard. I agree that holding him accountable (legally, if that is possible) is a must.. But insulting him on the internet (and really, most of the posts being questioned are just insults, even if true) isn't really hitting him really hard. Nor does it really help? He needs to pay though. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:11 Zvek wrote: Simple answer my friend, money is lost and he can't even account for it. Make him accountable, this is what this whole thing is about. Tbh, the amanda thing was a mistake. As Chill said, it sets a bad precedent. And, and this is a big WHAT IF, the whole thing is a scam, a la Keyser Soze. Just saying. That's why we have to get to the very bottom of this, and hit Gus "Criminal" Ledesma really hard. I couldn't agree with you more it makes me angry this Gus guy probably made off with alot of money from this Tournament at the Expense of the Community | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:12 XRaDiiX wrote: Except for the Part were Gus didn't relay any Actual Factoids himself he basically just said he screwed up. I'm more inclined to believe he made off with a lot of money doing this tournament. At the Expense of the Communities Donations After he bribed players and Denied Qualified Players Flights Well now that the questions asked didn't get the answers we wanted, we can say that maybe the questions weren't enough... but with such tame and unbiased questions that gave Gus a chance to explain, he still avoided saying anything... do you think he would have said anything had he been outright accused? And like Rachel mentioned on twitter, it was nice interview or no interview at all -_- Not saying I am satisfied with the answers, or the interview, but I think she did a good job with what she could do. The interview fell short of expectations because of Gus, not Rachel. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:08 Sein wrote: Specifically how would you like the community to handle this then? People here care a lot about how the eSports scene is developing and as we are all humans, emotions will be involved to different degrees. I think it's unreasonable to expect everyone to say "Ok, so he should face legal repercussions. The end". No, I don't expect that kind of passivity at all. However, what I would like to see is a bit of a step down from treating him worse than the Penn State rapist when I juxtapose the threads for each of them. I mean, it's just silly. I don't know another way to put it, honestly. It's just childish, silly, and rather impetuous to just kneejerk like this into constant berating over something that doesn't even affect you. Is it wrong to be angry? No. Is it wrong to want answers and justice? Not at all. However, you can demand those without acting like a lynch mob. Screaming at him like bloody maniacs only makes him recluse more and more into his little shell and try to find more answers to wiggle himself out of the situation. | ||
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