EPTDesignated Balance Discussion Thread - Page 907
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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LSN
Germany696 Posts
look who has never left and read my posts a few minutes after I wrote them (as always) even tho I have barely been posting in here for weeks/months. Do you think this is your thread? Getting your friends over here to do troll posts like the one above doesnt change anything of the stated. But I am glad to bring some clarity to you guys who are in this thread like every day and remind you what you wrote about half a year ago and how you use statistics all the time to your favour. Instead of trolling me you could explain me what is legitimate about counting out innovation/flash from the statistics last year in order to detract from terran's success and now coun't out again a terran player in order to demonstrate protoss' strength. Yes? I guess you can't answer this anyway but rather like to go on trolling like "hey lets count out this guy from the statistics so that it turns even more into our favour, as we always do it" just lol, & in fact this what you do is the real trolling | ||
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Spect8rCraft
649 Posts
Not sure of it's contributory to any conversation here, just wanted to voice my opinion somewhere, and here seemed like the best place. | ||
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MrLightning
306 Posts
On February 15 2014 09:16 LSN wrote: lol ... look who has never left and read my posts a few minutes after I wrote them (as always) even tho I have barely been posting in here for weeks/months. Do you think this is your thread? Getting your friends over here to do troll posts like the one above doesnt change anything of the stated. But I am glad to bring some clarity to you guys who are in this thread like every day and remind you what you wrote about half a year ago and how you use statistics all the time to your favour. Instead of trolling me you could explain me what is legitimate about counting out innovation/flash from the statistics last year in order to detract from terran's success and now coun't out again a terran player in order to demonstrate protoss' strength. Yes? I guess you can't answer this anyway but rather like to go on trolling like "hey lets count out this guy from the statistics so that it turns even more into our favour, as we always do it" just lol, & in fact this what you do is the real trolling Screw your logic, reason and common sense! I am only winning 51% of my ladder games as terran! That is unacceptable! Not sure why exactly I am complaining, huge protoss nerfs are around the corner. Then hopefully we can have TvT finals everywhere again, just like the good old days. | ||
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LSN
Germany696 Posts
Actually flash wasn't that good at all in sc2 compared to the other guys. But that doesn't matter. If his ratio is decent of course he can't be counted in. As soon as he starts losing, his games count tho and now the other guy who is winning can't be counted anymore. It is only consequential that this same pattern does not apply to the other races of course (why would it?). And if anyone dares to doubt this I get a bunch of other kids into the forums that agree with me to back this up. Noone denies that terran is in a bad spot right now. This is the cost of maneuvering the race from a kind of marine/bio only thing into something else with blizzard being hesitant on doing many changes at once. It wont anyway take too long until terran is represented with about 50% in every GSL ro32 again as it has always been. But will it be enaugh? And will then innovation and flash count into the statistics or not? So many questions ... | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On February 15 2014 10:27 MrLightning wrote: Screw your logic, reason and common sense! I am only winning 51% of my ladder games as terran! That is unacceptable! Not sure why exactly I am complaining, huge protoss nerfs are around the corner. Then hopefully we can have TvT finals everywhere again, just like the good old days. If by good old day you mean back in 2011, ok. But please stop living in the past, you sound like a broken record. Last TvT finale in a Premier Event was in September 2013, Taeja vs Innovation in DH Bucharest. The second last ? September 2012 DH Valenvia Taeja vs ForGG. After than you have to wait till April 2012. Only 2 TvT finales in 2012, 1 in 2013. We have already 2 PvP finales in 2014. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On February 15 2014 15:19 RaFox17 wrote: I agree with LSN on the point that could we stop skewing the statistics by taking out players that we think are too good to be counted. Let´s present the stats and see what we can take out of them. Statistics can be so easily manipulated even without random player exclusions based on them being soo good. I also agree that tvp is in a bad spot at the moment so no need to come after me. I think we can remove statistics of games that are complete hpgwash like korean T vs foreign P. :\ | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On February 15 2014 15:36 plogamer wrote: I think we can remove statistics of games that are complete hpgwash like korean T vs foreign P. :\ That might be okay as long as you provide the original stats also but let´s stop taking out players ´cause they are too good. Also Elfi and Welmu are foreigners who have a habit of killing korean terrans  | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On February 15 2014 15:43 RaFox17 wrote: That might be okay as long as you provide the original stats also but let´s stop taking out players ´cause they are too good. Also Elfi and Welmu are foreigners who have a habit of killing korean terrans Who are both Protoss, so given the current meta, it'd be like if they were zergs in BL/Infestor era. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On February 15 2014 15:50 plogamer wrote: Who are both Protoss, so given the current meta, it'd be like if they were zergs in BL/Infestor era. In this case i´m going to be completely biased and close my eyes to that Also they have been doing it for really long. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On February 15 2014 15:52 RaFox17 wrote: In this case i´m going to be completely biased and close my eyes to that Also they have been doing it for really long.Really? Elfi is known for his PvP and Welmu.... Sorry but I really don't know what he's known for. I love Incontrol, but it's like when he takes games off more established players. | ||
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Kireak
Sweden358 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On February 15 2014 15:50 plogamer wrote: Who are both Protoss, so given the current meta, it'd be like if they were zergs in BL/Infestor era. Yes this makes perfect sense... So I suppose when these guys were taking games of Koreans last year and Elfi in other years, Protoss was imbalanced then too? Every time foreigners beat Koreans the foreigner race is imbalanced? I don't get your post at all. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On February 16 2014 09:09 Wingblade wrote: Yes this makes perfect sense... So I suppose when these guys were taking games of Koreans last year and Elfi in other years, Protoss was imbalanced then too? Every time foreigners beat Koreans the foreigner race is imbalanced? I don't get your post at all. Consistently? I highly doubt that. | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
Maybe Blizzard thought it'd be used as space control to put onto your own ramp or something rather than directly on the army during fights, but I think even if it was nerfed to 15s it would still have a huge impact on fights without being so strong on blink-all in's. However, the adjustment for msc vision may alleviate this issue if it's more difficult to cast good time warps since the casting range will be the same as vision range (9). | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Giving ebay lift. Making ebay outside protoss base, using it for scouting. Also can place turrets if necessarily. This could maybe be a consistent scout in general - And terran can skip reapers for scout this way, and vary his build. It has 750 hp? Pro-scout. Imba or good? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:00 ChristianS wrote: Did they ever say their motivation for removing ebay lift back when they made WoL? Not that I think that's a real balance answer, but what exactly was the point? I recall someone saying it was because it was inconsistent with the armory not being able to float. | ||
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