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masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
August 14 2011 05:17 GMT
#61
So this is what I take from all this sc2con is basically trying to have a kespa like hold on the Korean scene. Many coaches are going along with it just to keep the peace. sc2con makes bad decisions and uses blackmail to get their way,

They cause unneeded drama and arguements over nothing.

sc2 teams can pull out at any time though if they did there is a chance that they will pressure gom into not allowing that teams players to play anymore (unliekly that it'll work).

Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:18:38
August 14 2011 05:17 GMT
#62
On August 14 2011 14:16 GTR wrote:
i don't see why everyone is blindly trying to compare sc2con to kespa. i'm pretty sure kespa didn't blackmail or insult their teams.

while it is undeniable that kespa have made some very dubious decisions in the past, they uphold a clear, professional standard, something sc2con clearly isn't showing.

frankly i'd rather see kespa jump in asap than sc2con continuing, as there is already the neutral infrastructure in place.

i mean... i wasn't a round for it but how did they keep the teams from participating in gom tournament?

it may be that there were just contracts in place that they could enforce, in which case i agree that this is just another example of sc2 scene in korea not being formalized enough yet to be a true industry
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 14 2011 05:17 GMT
#63
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
August 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#64
On August 14 2011 14:12 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 14:11 MechKing wrote:
On August 14 2011 14:09 HolyArrow wrote:
One thing I'm really confused about is: Who is actually governing sc2con? Are coaches/managers of various teams in on it? Who is actually in charge? For a body like sc2con, it seems like there should be some transparency, no? First I was pretty neutral toward sc2con but with direct testimony from the FXO manager himself, it seems like it's being run by some asshole(s) on a power trip. Blackmail? Insults? Seriously? I am feeling pretty disappointed and disgusted right now.

I think the StarTale coach is the main guy there.

He stepped down. Sheesh, can't you keep up with the drama?

Apparently not lol! I have decided to stay out of all "drama" threads since the EG/Puma thing.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
August 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#65
See! This is why we can't have nice things!
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
August 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#66
holy shit. who is this Juneo guy? blackmail and threats? that's pretty fucked up.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#67
On August 14 2011 14:16 GTR wrote:
i don't see why everyone is blindly trying to compare sc2con to kespa. i'm pretty sure kespa didn't blackmail or insult their teams.

while it is undeniable that kespa have made some very dubious decisions in the past, they uphold a clear, professional standard, something sc2con clearly isn't showing.

frankly i'd rather see kespa jump in asap than sc2con continuing, as there is already the neutral infrastructure in place.


The control levels of kespa are similar/the same. Albeit KESPA is perhaps more professional....

The bottom line is, a dictatorship may have worked in the 'old days' but it won't work on a global scene.
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 14 2011 05:18 GMT
#68
On August 14 2011 14:08 Tatari wrote:

And as for making the logo more "Korean flag like," it just doesn't make sense. GSL = Global Starcraft League, no? Why does FXO need to change their logo to fit what the Koreans want when this is a GLOBAL league?


Thank you for hitting the nail on the head with this one.

I don't even know who or what SC2Con is and from the sounds of it no one does.

I mean SlayerS isn't in it so I got to figure thats for a good reason.
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Incara
Profile Joined December 2010
United States4 Posts
August 14 2011 05:19 GMT
#69
On August 14 2011 14:06 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
Y'know why they call him Boss?

Because he's a fucking Boss.


Bravo sir.

I'm sorry to hear about all this. Good luck and FXO FIGHTING. ^^
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
August 14 2011 05:19 GMT
#70
Until these few weeks i never heard about this sc2con thing O.o
DexVitality
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Hong Kong234 Posts
August 14 2011 05:19 GMT
#71
wow thanks for letting us know Boss.... I had a feeling that SC2Con Felt like Kespa.... I was hoping it was wrong but after reading this.... what the hell?
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lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
August 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#72
Never though I'd say this, but maybe letting KeSPA replace S2con would be a good idea (and help heal the rift b/w BW and SC2 scenes).
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
August 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#73
I don't think SC2Con does anything except get in the way.

I'm pretty sure the players are getting hurt the most if SC2Con is blocking them from playing in more tournaments.
bellhop
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States165 Posts
August 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#74
Wow. Good luck to all the Korean SC2 players who just wanna play some SC2 and win some games...

:\
Ceci n'est pas une disloqueur.
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#75
On August 14 2011 14:17 Zzoram wrote:
If all the NASL communications have been going through SC2Con, how do we know that SC2Con didn't purposely mislead both sides to sabotage NASL? I think NASL needs to get in touch with the teams directly and confirm that SC2Con isn't changing the message.


Because teams not in sc2con are also taking the same action.... And there is a reason those teams arent in sc2con..... Sc2con had a limited 'helping hand' with the NASL debacle..
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
cerebralz
Profile Joined August 2009
United States443 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:22:08
August 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#76
When it was started, i was led to believe that S2Con was more of a players association, rather than a governing body. If it keeps going down this road, i hope it folds quickly and something much better arises. It's a hard thing to watch unfold, but whenever people try to govern themselves, there is a process of trial and error that must be gone through to reach a final result of something good.

On a side note, whers is spunky in all of this? I thought he was one of the main guys starting S2Con, and from the interviews, was very against it becoming like kespa.
Keeler
Profile Joined November 2010
United States313 Posts
August 14 2011 05:21 GMT
#77
Good decision Boss. Perhaps you should start a new organization to replace SC2con
DarkDolphin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:22:55
August 14 2011 05:21 GMT
#78
SC2CON = Evil Empire, everyone make it a new trend .. Anyway SC2CON is not acceptable, the way they are running things will kill E-sports.




-Also FXO boss, you should consider recording those calls, because everyone could say "Yeah X called me threating me"

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Mars.DreaM
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
August 14 2011 05:21 GMT
#79
More and more reason to continue supporting fxo with their honesty. I hope that they weren't trying to sabotage the nasl thing either. It seems the teams really need to step it up and get rid of this
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 05:22:09
August 14 2011 05:22 GMT
#80
On August 14 2011 14:20 cerebralz wrote:
When it was started, i was led to believe that S2Con was more of a players association, rather than a governing body. If it keeps going down this road, i hope it folds quickly and something much better arises. It's a hard thing to watch unfold, but whenever people try to govern themselves, there is a process of trial and error that must be gone through to reach a final result of something good.


KeSPA claims to be a player's association as well, but it doesn't act in the interest of players.
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