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On August 14 2011 14:09 HolyArrow wrote:
One thing I'm really confused about is: Who is actually governing sc2con? Are coaches/managers of various teams in on it? Who is actually in charge? For a body like sc2con, it seems like there should be some transparency, no? First I was pretty neutral toward sc2con but with direct testimony from the FXO manager himself, it seems like it's being run by some asshole(s) on a power trip. Blackmail? Insults? Seriously? I am feeling pretty disappointed and disgusted right now.
I think the StarTale coach is the main guy there.
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I'm glad FXO has such a baller owner like Boss to help his team stand up against this kind of thing.
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They need to do something like other professional sports do to avoid Kespa. An over ruling body, an organization for management, and an organization for players. The thing is that there isn't really money in Korea for an over ruling body. Maybe GOM can be that?
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On August 14 2011 14:09 HolyArrow wrote:
One thing I'm really confused about is: Who is actually governing sc2con? Are coaches/managers of various teams in on it? Who is actually in charge? For a body like sc2con, it seems like there should be some transparency, no? First I was pretty neutral toward sc2con but with direct testimony from the FXO manager himself, it seems like it's being run by some asshole(s) on a power trip. Blackmail? Insults? Seriously? I am feeling pretty disappointed and disgusted right now.
I believe all team coaches are members. The manager of S2Con was StarTale's coach but he stepped down after the TSL/FD/Trickster thing. It's hard to say what the Korean reaction will be, Koreans are unforgiving but are also very loyal to their own kind. Hopefully S2Con disbands or gets shunned.
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What the hell? sc2con trying to ruin esportzz  ((((
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On August 14 2011 14:11 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:09 HolyArrow wrote:
One thing I'm really confused about is: Who is actually governing sc2con? Are coaches/managers of various teams in on it? Who is actually in charge? For a body like sc2con, it seems like there should be some transparency, no? First I was pretty neutral toward sc2con but with direct testimony from the FXO manager himself, it seems like it's being run by some asshole(s) on a power trip. Blackmail? Insults? Seriously? I am feeling pretty disappointed and disgusted right now. I think the StarTale coach is the main guy there.
He stepped down. Sheesh, can't you keep up with the drama? 
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the ST coach was at the top of the food chain at some time. But he was not the one who caused any issues. I have full respect for him. He is communicating with us regularly also.
This does not reflect on him as a person or coach.
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What are the major benefits of staying in sc2con at the moment anyways? Seems like there's only baggage atm :p.
Good job Boss, big fan of what you're doing as always.
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SC2Con - join us and submit to our overbearing scrutiny, or don't and do whatever you want.
tough call
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Good for you guys, sounds like they're shady as shit. I hope some Korean teams leave that group also.
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United States97276 Posts
Wow, if this is all true the sc2con is starting to be a little ridiculous. They are trying to force designs and team names? wtf
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What/Who is the sc2con?
Before this drama started i never heard anything of them and now they come out and try to play big BAWSE?Who do they think they are lol?
Good move FXO.We don't need evil dictators in e-sport!
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Hong Kong9176 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:01 FXOpen wrote:
They tried to determine what our players would wear, and that it had to represent Korea. Ummm what? We have a team jersey, we are a team... Although I dont say no to the idea of the Korean players perhaps having a Korea flag on their jersey, they were asking us to change our entire logos to be very korean flag-ish. Which is unacceptable in my eyes.
They are trying to force the name "FXO Korea" which is not the actual team name, we are FXO, a joint team helping each other. The FXO Korea is an internal management description. When this was explained, it was not accepted by sc2con.
The organization's demands here seem wholly unacceptable. FXO, and any other team, should be able to determine their own branding. Does sc2con maintain that they have overarching control over such matters so long as a team operates in Korea? Such a position would seem ridiculously protectionist and would be overall detrimental to the positive promotion of esports internationally.
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SC2con is different from the SC2 players organization which is run by IMJunwi, right? I'm unclear of exactly what they do or manage? Doesn't GOM, in conjunction with Blizzard tournament requirements, handle all tournament rules? Regardless of the NASL drama, If they're not benefiting eSports or SC2, they should get out.
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i don't see why everyone is blindly trying to compare sc2con to kespa. i'm pretty sure kespa didn't blackmail or insult their teams.
while it is undeniable that kespa have made some very dubious decisions in the past (broadcast rights, overseas pl finals), they uphold a clear, professional standard, something sc2con clearly isn't showing.
frankly i'd rather see kespa jump in asap than sc2con continuing, as there is already the neutral infrastructure in place.
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Ah greed finally spills into everything. It was only a matter of time I guess. Great Job FXO for standing up for yourselfs
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Gosh darn! Well, at least this is happening now where the teams have control over their own destiny.
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There have been a lot of recent issues with the SC2con, hopefully they can be resolved or a better organization can be created.
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On August 14 2011 14:11 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:09 HolyArrow wrote:
One thing I'm really confused about is: Who is actually governing sc2con? Are coaches/managers of various teams in on it? Who is actually in charge? For a body like sc2con, it seems like there should be some transparency, no? First I was pretty neutral toward sc2con but with direct testimony from the FXO manager himself, it seems like it's being run by some asshole(s) on a power trip. Blackmail? Insults? Seriously? I am feeling pretty disappointed and disgusted right now. I believe all team coaches are members. The manager of S2Con was StarTale's coach but he stepped down after the TSL/FD/Trickster thing. It's hard to say what the Korean reaction will be, Koreans are unforgiving but are also very loyal to their own kind. Hopefully S2Con disbands or gets shunned.
Huh. Would it be fair to say that this news is kind of ruining my image of the coaches of various SC2 teams? I mean, after watching the GSTL for a few seasons, I've become familiar with the faces of all of the team coaches - I've rooted for them, empathized with them through their wins and losses, and it's disappointing to learn that at least some of them are, judging from FXOBoss's post, actually malicious (insults and blackmail? -_-;; ). I thought sc2con was just governed by some random people that I haven't heard of, but if the coaches are actually governing it, then that's EXTREMELY disappointing for me.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not immediately making a judgment, because I still have no real idea of who's doing the shitty governing that sc2con is displaying. I'd love for it not to be any of the coaches of the Korean teams that I have come to root for and respect.
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Blackmailing and insulting? Jesus christ, I was for SC2CON so far. Even in NASL situation I believed in SC2con. Now this???? This is wayyyy too far. I lost all my support for it.
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