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On August 15 2011 04:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't think you should release something like this when everything isn't clear. Too many misunderstandings already and all it does is just put a bad face on sc2con when you're still not completely sure of the situation yourself. He's showing them that this behaviour is unacceptable and will be exposed.
Putting these things out in the open and not letting them do as they please behind the scenes is the very best way to combat SC2con trying to coerce and threaten the teams they're supposed to protect. Show them that their actions have consequences that will be brought to the attention of everyone in the community.
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I don't agree with the way he did it. We're still completely left in the dark and all we can do is take his word for it that it was blackmail/threats. There's no description beyond that of what they actually said or did and we can't really judge the situation at all for ourselves.
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On August 15 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't agree with the way he did it. We're still completely left in the dark and all we can do is take his word for it that it was blackmail/threats. There's no description beyond that of what they actually said or did and we can't really judge the situation at all for ourselves.
Bet you keep coming back to see, right? 
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On August 15 2011 05:07 EvilDoer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't agree with the way he did it. We're still completely left in the dark and all we can do is take his word for it that it was blackmail/threats. There's no description beyond that of what they actually said or did and we can't really judge the situation at all for ourselves. Bet you keep coming back to see, right?
Not really since they said they wouldn't really release anything more until september when they meet. >.>
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Wow I can't believe there's blackmailing and threats now, seriously wtf is going on in KR. Hopefully everything gets settled soon, nice decision making there BoSs.
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On August 15 2011 05:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I don't agree with the way he did it. We're still completely left in the dark and all we can do is take his word for it that it was blackmail/threats. There's no description beyond that of what they actually said or did and we can't really judge the situation at all for ourselves.
As it stands now, it is an information: FXO is leaving
and at the same time it's a statement from FXO: We had some very serious issues with a person from sc2con and that is why we left. A meeting will be held in september between sc2con and FXO to seek a memorable solution.
Both of those are perfectly fine reasons for making a thread. Reading FXOpen/FXOBoss's comments and seeing how he responded it seems the damagecontrol-meeting was set up after this thread aired. The original reasons for posting seems to have been their denying of negotiation and rediculous "demands".
By turning the dispute public and implying a litigatory solution could come into play he forced sc2con to make a statement and announce a damagecontrol-meeting + making the rest of the organisation aware of the dispute.
Those reasons seems logical and it is absolutely necessary to put public pressure on sc2con if they denied any internal dialogue.
Because of the possibility of a courtcase or even a compromise at the meeting he doesn't want to reveal any details or proof (reasons stated in other posts in this thread).
Short: The post is not primarily for us, but have been edited to be so.
FXOBoss seems to have deemed it necessary to make it public, that there is a dispute and thereby force sc2con to damagecontrol and start a dialogue.
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On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .
I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean .
I just wanted to say two things to everyone posting in threads like this.
If you are not willing to read the entire OP and maybe the thread too ... you will not have all the information that is given to you and in my opinion you should shut the fuck up if you start throwing around with monkey-poo. I was hasty in my posts before, but at least i was reading up on all the information that was given to me at the given time. So my opinion might be wrong in retrospect, but it i will not regret making them, at that given time.
Now to the poster i quoted. This should be a bannable offense on TL in my opinion. If you dont read the whole OP and the answers given in this particular thread by the op, than you should not be allowed to make statements like these. For me this person is either not very good at reading or just wants to insult the OP for the sake of insulting.
Answers i could give to this individual after reading this thread for 5 mins.
1. OGS-TL + OGS-SK, MVP-COL, FXO-FOU. Successfull ventures between korean teams and "foreigners". MVP-COL beeing after a lot of the drama coming up these days.
2. Choya is korean. And no he is not evil. He is the one beeing harrased.
3. Your tone is not appropriate.
4. Given that every fucking organisation or individual had trouble figuring out who the fuck is behind sc2con and who the fuck gives the calls and who the fuck acts like a dumbass (i love both rets), it should be clear by now, that the sc2con is not transparent at all. It should also be clear the the korean sc2 scene as a whole needs a representative, to yeah you guessed it, represnt it in matters with foreign organisations. All the drama that came up latetly seems to be generated by the fact, that the "koreans" dont show enough of respect towards the "foreigners". Now hear me out on this. It is clear as day, that "we" have the money. We have the tournaments, for now at least, but still they dont even give enough of a shit so that there could be someone to talk to if you want to fucking make a tournament with korean participants, or invest in a korean team. How come the whole korean scene seems not to have at least one person an "foreigner" could talk to directly, with answers that would be binding. Its not like every tournament asks for too much. Learn english ffs. Thats what most of us did, so we could survive in a globalized world. I dont expect them to have a represantatives for all the tournaments (MLG+NASL-english, IEM-german, Dreamhack-swedish, Assembly-finnish) One fucking guy that could give you answers that actually mean anything and that can speak korean and english is not too much to ask for. Get moving or you will be left behind and bought afterwards. Thats what happens in the real world no matter how hard you try to prevent it. SC2Con is supposed to be this "one person, or organisation, but they fail miserably at this"!!!
5. It was clearly stated why the op could not provide all the evidence he had, in case a legal confrontation would come up. If you had read the op and the answers to the questions, you would know this.
@ FXOboss
6. If you could do me just one favor FXOboss, please tell Choya to not give up. I know that a lot of korean teams had troubles with sponsors and money, so after hearing that you picked up FOU i hoped that Choya and his team could get a break on the hard times. I hoped his wishes would come true, so that he would have the money and the time to just worry about making his team stronger. Apperently that was not case. I really hope that after this whole issue Choya and FXO+FOU ,meaning the FXO-team as a whole, can go back to training and building a strong team without having to worry about money (meals) and drama. Who the fuck they think they are to tell you how you (and your sponsors) should name and manage your team or your uniforms. Stand strong and dont bow down. They might hate you for it, but they will also respect you (random knowlegde eastern europe vs asia doing busines ^-^).
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On August 15 2011 06:32 BlueFlames wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .
I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean . + Show Spoiler +
I just wanted to say two things to everyone posting in threads like this.
If you are not willing to read the entire OP and maybe the thread too ... you will not have all the information that is given to you and in my opinion you should shut the fuck up if you start throwing around with monkey-poo. I was hasty in my posts before, but at least i was reading up on all the information that was given to me at the given time. So my opinion might be wrong in retrospect, but it i will not regret making them, at that given time.
Now to the poster i quoted. This should be a bannable offense on TL in my opinion. If you dont read the whole OP and the answers given in this particular thread by the op, than you should not be allowed to make statements like these. For me this person is either not very good at reading or just wants to insult the OP for the sake of insulting.
Answers i could give to this individual after reading this thread for 5 mins.
1. OGS-TL + OGS-SK, MVP-COL, FXO-FOU. Successfull ventures between korean teams and "foreigners". MVP-COL beeing after a lot of the drama coming up these days.
2. Choya is korean. And no he is not evil. He is the one beeing harrased.
3. Your tone is not appropriate.
4. Given that every fucking organisation or individual had trouble figuring out who the fuck is behind sc2con and who the fuck gives the calls and who the fuck acts like a dumbass (i love both rets), it should be clear by now, that the sc2con is not transparent at all. It should also be clear the the korean sc2 scene as a whole needs a representative, to yeah you guessed it, represnt it in matters with foreign organisations. All the drama that came up latetly seems to be generated by the fact, that the "koreans" dont show enough of respect towards the "foreigners". Now hear me out on this. It is clear as day, that "we" have the money. We have the tournaments, for now at least, but still they dont even give enough of a shit so that there could be someone to talk to if you want to fucking make a tournament with korean participants, or invest in a korean team. How come the whole korean scene seems not to have at least one person an "foreigner" could talk to directly, with answers that would be binding. Its not like every tournament asks for too much. Learn english ffs. Thats what most of us did, so we could survive in a globalized world. I dont expect them to have a represantatives for all the tournaments (MLG+NASL-english, IEM-german, Dreamhack-swedish, Assembly-finnish) One fucking guy that could give you answers that actually mean anything and that can speak korean and english is not too much to ask for. Get moving or you will be left behind and bought afterwards. Thats what happens in the real world no matter how hard you try to prevent it.
5. It was clearly stated why the op could not provide all the evidence he had, in case a legal confrontation would come up. If you had read the op and the answers to the questions, you would know this.
@ FXOboss
6. If you could do me just one favor FXOboss, please tell Choya to not give up. I know that a lot of korean teams had troubles with sponsors and money, so after hearing that you picked up FOU i hoped that Choya and his team could get a break on the hard times. I hoped his wishes would come true, so that he would have the money and the time to just worry about making his team stronger. Apperently that was not case. I really hope that after this whole issue Choya and FXO+FOU ,meaning the FXO-team as a whole, can go back to training and building a strong team without having to worry about money (meals) and drama. Who the fuck they think they are to tell you how you (and your sponsors) should name and manage your team or your uniforms. Stand strong and dont bow down. They might hate you for it, but they will also respect you (random knowlegde eastern europe vs asia ^-^).
Wow... this post is amazing.
Talk about throwing monkey shit without all the information and then claiming that koreans only care about foreigners and their tournaments for the money and that they don't show respect when it says right in the fucking OP that this isn't a dispute between the korean players and teams at all.
He even has the audacity to call out the person he quoted and to say his tone was inappropriate after posting this.
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On August 15 2011 06:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:32 BlueFlames wrote:On August 14 2011 15:19 Sawamura wrote:
I don't like how this is visible at all it could be fabricated lies let's see if you truly wanted to come clean at least show us the messages you receive during all the threats so we know how they man handle in to certain position and over all it's all one sided and everyone has something to say when they are not in front of the person they are talking too . If you are going to talk about P&C than these news should have been kept at low profile and not defaming the other party which is sc2 con without any evidence or so .
I like how you guys paint the picture where foreigners are the good guy and anything korean related are kespa 2.0 keep it up this is probably why there can never be any ventures between the foreign scene and the korean . + Show Spoiler +
I just wanted to say two things to everyone posting in threads like this.
If you are not willing to read the entire OP and maybe the thread too ... you will not have all the information that is given to you and in my opinion you should shut the fuck up if you start throwing around with monkey-poo. I was hasty in my posts before, but at least i was reading up on all the information that was given to me at the given time. So my opinion might be wrong in retrospect, but it i will not regret making them, at that given time.
Now to the poster i quoted. This should be a bannable offense on TL in my opinion. If you dont read the whole OP and the answers given in this particular thread by the op, than you should not be allowed to make statements like these. For me this person is either not very good at reading or just wants to insult the OP for the sake of insulting.
Answers i could give to this individual after reading this thread for 5 mins.
1. OGS-TL + OGS-SK, MVP-COL, FXO-FOU. Successfull ventures between korean teams and "foreigners". MVP-COL beeing after a lot of the drama coming up these days.
2. Choya is korean. And no he is not evil. He is the one beeing harrased.
3. Your tone is not appropriate.
4. Given that every fucking organisation or individual had trouble figuring out who the fuck is behind sc2con and who the fuck gives the calls and who the fuck acts like a dumbass (i love both rets), it should be clear by now, that the sc2con is not transparent at all. It should also be clear the the korean sc2 scene as a whole needs a representative, to yeah you guessed it, represnt it in matters with foreign organisations. All the drama that came up latetly seems to be generated by the fact, that the "koreans" dont show enough of respect towards the "foreigners". Now hear me out on this. It is clear as day, that "we" have the money. We have the tournaments, for now at least, but still they dont even give enough of a shit so that there could be someone to talk to if you want to fucking make a tournament with korean participants, or invest in a korean team. How come the whole korean scene seems not to have at least one person an "foreigner" could talk to directly, with answers that would be binding. Its not like every tournament asks for too much. Learn english ffs. Thats what most of us did, so we could survive in a globalized world. I dont expect them to have a represantatives for all the tournaments (MLG+NASL-english, IEM-german, Dreamhack-swedish, Assembly-finnish) One fucking guy that could give you answers that actually mean anything and that can speak korean and english is not too much to ask for. Get moving or you will be left behind and bought afterwards. Thats what happens in the real world no matter how hard you try to prevent it.
5. It was clearly stated why the op could not provide all the evidence he had, in case a legal confrontation would come up. If you had read the op and the answers to the questions, you would know this.
@ FXOboss
6. If you could do me just one favor FXOboss, please tell Choya to not give up. I know that a lot of korean teams had troubles with sponsors and money, so after hearing that you picked up FOU i hoped that Choya and his team could get a break on the hard times. I hoped his wishes would come true, so that he would have the money and the time to just worry about making his team stronger. Apperently that was not case. I really hope that after this whole issue Choya and FXO+FOU ,meaning the FXO-team as a whole, can go back to training and building a strong team without having to worry about money (meals) and drama. Who the fuck they think they are to tell you how you (and your sponsors) should name and manage your team or your uniforms. Stand strong and dont bow down. They might hate you for it, but they will also respect you (random knowlegde eastern europe vs asia ^-^).
Wow... this post is amazing. Talk about throwing monkey shit without all the information and then claiming that koreans only care about foreigners and their tournaments for the money and that they don't show respect when it says right in the fucking OP that this isn't a dispute between the korean players and teams at all. He even has the audacity to call out the person he quoted and to say his tone was inappropriate after posting this.
Maybe i did not make myself clear. I dont mean that koreans only care about the money. Not at all. I dont throw any koreans under the bus. I will edit my post to make it clearer what i meant. All i am saying is, that when all the korean teams chose an organisation that represents it interests and its wishes, than they should at least make an effort to be understood the way they want to be understood. I dont mean all the korean teams i mean the SC2Con. It should be possible to speak to the teams directly or to their represantative without some "randome" dude who has to translate their statements on playxp. Sry if i did not make myself clear. I love the korean scene.
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On August 14 2011 23:48 DarkDolphin wrote:
Evil Empire...
... You've posted this twice before and have been told several times to stop, yet you continue... Forcing memes is not the way to make memes. You are essentially doing everything in your power to stop it from catching on... Which leads me to seriously wonder why you are doing it at all.
Anyways I am terribly sorry I am not trying to derail this thread by any means... However I'm not sure if I read it correctly, but did Boss say the meeting wouldn't even take place until the 10th of September?
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FXO is the fucking shit. I've seriously been waiting for a company that practices straight up business -- with proper ethics and manners of course -- but one that doesn't just pussyfoot around terrible decisions like NASL has. Someone needs to wake up these Korean organizations and rulings, and FXO can do it if anyone can.
I become a bigger fan of you guys every time I see you guys do new things.
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On August 15 2011 06:54 Vei wrote:
FXO is the fucking shit. I've seriously been waiting for a company that practices straight up business -- with proper ethics and manners of course -- but one that doesn't just pussyfoot around terrible decisions like NASL has. Someone needs to wake up these Korean organizations and rulings, and FXO can do it if anyone can.
I become a bigger fan of you guys every time I see you guys do new things.
I think both NASL and FXO acted similarly given their respective situations. The only difference is FXO has more history so people are more inclined to believe them and more inclined to think well of them, whereas NASL is still new so people are still suspicious. But I would not say NASL "Pussy footed around terrible decisions."
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This probably all but confirms why they left the NASL. Why else would blackmail and threats be thrown around concerning players who were just acquired by foreign acquisition? They can say what they want; it’s not because of it etc. But then again, coming out and saying it out right would be bad for their image.
And the bottom line, people do things when they are scared of losing what they got. Televised SC is bombing in Korea now, and the money is running out from the sponsors because of it. So they are trying to consolidate what they got left, and build it from the ground up. Sounds like classic Korean tactics and insecurity. This is what they have always done when times have gotten tough. Go into their shell, and tell everyone else to get out.
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One more blow to the korean scene. I hate the whole FXO evolution plan. All the wrong steps. Good foreigner team ---> Bad foreigner team + Bad korean team.
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On August 15 2011 07:27 Abrafred wrote:
One more blow to the korean scene. I hate the whole FXO evolution plan. All the wrong steps. Good foreigner team ---> Bad foreigner team + Bad korean team.
scFOU isnt a bad team. They have some great players. But, I kind of agree with you on the bad foreigner team bit. But, hopefully training there will help them. I know QXC is working hard. I hope he gets out of his bracket at Raleigh and shows what he can truely do.
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On August 15 2011 07:30 WizShaw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:27 Abrafred wrote:
One more blow to the korean scene. I hate the whole FXO evolution plan. All the wrong steps. Good foreigner team ---> Bad foreigner team + Bad korean team. scFOU isnt a bad team. They have some great players. But, I kind of agree with you on the bad foreigner team bit. But, hopefully training there will help them. I know QXC is working hard. I hope he gets out of his bracket at Raleigh and shows what he can truely do.
 sCfOu is a actually a player though. Probably the best player of the team although he is slumping lately. FXO also has GuMiho and  Leenock who are pretty descent but overall as a team they are nowhere close to the rest. The way I saw the FXO foreigner team, there was qxc, Moonglade and Sheth. Guess what. A third remains.
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Excellent decision to leave sc2con. I really hope that organisation fails.
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On August 15 2011 07:37 Abrafred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 07:30 WizShaw wrote:On August 15 2011 07:27 Abrafred wrote:
One more blow to the korean scene. I hate the whole FXO evolution plan. All the wrong steps. Good foreigner team ---> Bad foreigner team + Bad korean team. scFOU isnt a bad team. They have some great players. But, I kind of agree with you on the bad foreigner team bit. But, hopefully training there will help them. I know QXC is working hard. I hope he gets out of his bracket at Raleigh and shows what he can truely do. sCfOu is a actually a player though. Probably the best player of the team although he is slumping lately. FXO also has GuMiho and Leenock who are pretty descent but overall as a team they are nowhere close to the rest. The way I saw the FXO foreigner team, there was qxc, Moonglade and Sheth. Guess what. A third remains.
Yeah, I dont know why I put SC in front of there. I think it was automatic. Anyways, well, Leenoc is young man. An up and comer and he destroys terran. His decision making and other matches could be better, but in a way he has also got a raw deal having really tough opponents. But, I can see him really becoming great. They also have Choya, which, owned it up at the last MLG.
On the FXO side, well, sheth is awesome, cant really say anything bad about that guy. But Moonglade I think is overrated and probably should have left the team.
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