EPTMLG Anaheim breaks viewership records - Page 7
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:34 coddan wrote: Some very crude math suggests there may have been just around 700,000 unique viewers. I base this on that the stream views reported for Columbus were 22,5 million and the unique views we're 450,000. 22.5 million is about 64% of 35 million, so if you assume that the unique viewers increased at the same rate as stream views did, you end up around 700,000. Note that this is extremely unreliable though and just speculation on my part. I doubt your math is correct - in Cbus you could open 2 streams at once, but MLG changed it. During MLG Anaheim you had to switch between streams all the time and therefore its logic the streamnumbers are higher. Unique Viewers is a much more reliable stat. | ||
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Sideburn
United States442 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:48 zul wrote: 20k visitors may be possible if you sum up attendeenumbers of all 3 days. (the fact that many visitors attended all 3 days throws this stat pretty much off.) and for the streamviews, hellspawn said it all. I will wait for the unique viewers. At the end of the day it was a great event and those numbers are only interesting for a small amount of people. (including the ones that matter though) Its funny how hellspawn asks who cares in his tweet. You know who cares? the fucking sponsors (as you implied in your last statement). | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:53 zul wrote: I doubt your math is correct - in Cbus you could open 2 streams at once, but MLG changed it. During MLG Anaheim you had to switch between streams all the time and therefore its logic the streamnumbers are higher. Unique Viewers is a much more reliable stat. You could have two streams up the whole time, just not two HQ streams. | ||
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:22 Ryalnos wrote: It would be nice if DreamHack put up correct viewing hours, if it's necessary to actually compare  .That is arguably just as useful a measure as unique viewers. It will be hard to compare the numbers between MLG and Dreamhack since the difference in stream structure. Comparing the viewing hours would give an advantage to Dreamhack since they had more streams and people like me, who watched several streams at once, would get 3-4 viewing hours for every real time hour watching. Hellspawn is silly and it feels like his twitter posts are a little bit too immature for someone in his position. We shouldn't really be bashing these numbers since these are the numbers sponsors use to decide how much they should put into esports. If MLG would provide 100 times lower number in their next press release due to them only accounting for every stream viewer with an unique IP watching the games for more than 1h then the amount of money from sponsors for the next event would be at least 10 times lower. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:23 jmbthirteen wrote: While they aren't too worthwhile here (other than the obvious growth of views from 22.5 million to 35 million, which is just good in general), MLG didn't post them here. They sent out a press release. I think Hellspawn's reaction was rather out of line. MLG didn't release this for us to discuss. They released it for their sponsors and potential sponsors, as thats the number they want to see, which we learned last time MLG released total views for Columbus. Of course the sponsor wants number that make the event looks as good as possible through the eyes of a casual beholder. So? Saying it was not for us to discuss is a silly argument to make. I agree with people that thinks hellspawn expressed himself poorly but I fully agree with his point - those number are not much better than being worthless. And just because he's a dreamhack representative shouldn't mean he can't express his opinion. For the record this won't effect my desire to watch either tournament one bit, I'm still tuning in and it's silly for people to threaten to stop watching them because it. | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:55 jmbthirteen wrote: You could have two streams up the whole time, just not two HQ streams. ok - then I apologize for generalisation and admit I was just semiright. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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tuho12345
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sekritzzz
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Hellspawnl
Sweden103 Posts
I am first and for most an "E-sport journalist" who's actually doesn't just take what people, organizations or tournament organizers say for granted, I try to have an objective and critical approach as I know from my knowledge of the scene that it's needed. If I was just around to promote DreamHack and get people to hate MLG why would I fly to MLG Anaheim from Sweden to make Rakakas first coverage. We did by far the most content and actually a lot of people thought it was great. Watch the +20 interviews here So why do I take this discussion publicly on Twitter and Teamliquids forums? Because the numbers are released and publicly discussed. Therefore it's needed to approach them for what they are worth and what they mean. I really think we need to have a huge discussion about streaming numbers because this is not the first time this has happened and it's actually extremely important that we convergent to comparable numbers. If MLG communicates the number 22 million views which they did from MLG Columbus when they actually had 450 000 unique viewers (something like that), which is a ratio between views and unique that I have NEVER seen anything like. If you compare this weekends two big events MLG Anaheim and Evolution Las Vegas. MLG says 35 million views and what it seems from calculations they mean 700k-900k unique and Evo communicates "over 2 million unique viewers". Which one do you think had the most successful event and can in the future land the biggest sponsors deals? Remember that most people just read the topic which actually is even more true when it comes to "suits" in big cooperation. So where would you put your money? In an 35 million event or in an "over 2 million" event? If you don't get that or don't understand the difference and the very bad communications method MLG uses then there ain't much I can do. | ||
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DotADeMoN
United States517 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:53 Sideburn wrote: Why is hellspawn so butthurt? I'm confused. Nobody is hurt by MLG's numbers. Because the numbers are insanely misleading and only meant to entice sponsors while not giving an indication of the true stream numbers. | ||
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Xkalibert
United States1404 Posts
On August 05 2011 06:40 draumr wrote: Hellspawn needs to approach this in a much better manner, he's turning me off from even wanting to watch Dreamhack because he has involvement with them. His complaint seems petty and as has been explained, the number is the number MLG sponsors care about. Act professional, take your complaint to Sundance in a private manner. Anyways, congratulations MLG for huge growth in numbers, I don't see how anyone can say that the amount of people watching didn't go up. I'd guess with the amount of people that had multiple streams open there were around 700,000~ or so unique viewers, and that might be low balling it ever so slightly. Next event where they have LoL and possibly hon should increase unique viewers by a ton as well, especially if Riot gets on board with promoting the stream. I agree with this about Hellspawn, It's unprofessional when you're representing both Rakaka.se and DreamHack. They invited you to MLG and then you backstab them on their hospitality. Or were you hurt by the comment Slasher make on your backstage tour of how you didn't do research about the people involve in MLG organization before coming to MLG? On August 05 2011 07:05 Hellspawnl wrote: ... If MLG communicates the number 22 million views which they did from MLG Columbus when they actually had 450 000 unique viewers (something like that), which is a ratio between views and unique that I have NEVER seen anything like. I don't have any problem with the stream, because I don't have adblockplus on. The reason why the number seem inflated is because it's mostly brought upon on by yourself (people who use adblockplus excluding some legit technical issue such as pass code error). Watching ads to support E-Sport in background with mute on is less hassle than having to refresh every time stream black out when ads come on and didn't resume stream. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
They reported a statistic that is most likely to entice sponsors. Usually that is the goal with this sort of press release. They would be absolutely retarded to do otherwise. Maybe evo should follow suit. No one is stopping them. | ||
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Funkydonky
950 Posts
On August 05 2011 07:07 Xkalibert wrote: I agree with this about Hellspawn, It's unprofessional when you're representing both Rakaka.se and DreamHack. They invited you to MLG and then you backstab them for their hospitality. Or were you hurt by the comment Slasher make on your backstage tour of how you didn't do research about the people involve in MLG organization before coming to MLG? I don't have any problem with the stream, because I don't have adblockplus on. The reason why the number seem inflamed is because it's mostly brought upon on by yourself (people who use adblockplus excluding some legit technical issue such as pass code error). Watching ads to support E-Sport in background with mute on is less hassle than having to refresh every time stream black out when ads come on and didn't resume stream. I watched add every time i refreshed stream because it went black (i dont have adblock), don't speak about stuff u have no idea about. Other part of ur post is just sad. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
They care about how many watched what how long and how old and how rich he is and what his interests are. this numbers are to mislead the press and guys on forums not the sponsors. = they are published to mislead you guys.... | ||
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outerspace02
United States136 Posts
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