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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 04 2011 14:15 GMT
#321
WOWOWOW listen sc2con, I know that you want to protect your players, that you don't want them to become slaves; that's okay.

But Lee was coaching & managing when Choya was still wearing diapers and sucking on his mama's tits. We need give credit where its due and we need to appreciate his side of the story.
o choro é livre
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
August 04 2011 14:15 GMT
#322
Just not surprised when Coach Lee is involved anymore. Seems like a shark.
Dead girls don't say no.
moonmeh
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)105 Posts
August 04 2011 14:17 GMT
#323
In case people want to hear what Coach Lee said, here the link
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
August 04 2011 14:18 GMT
#324
What is sc2con exactly? Kespa 2.0?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2011 14:19 GMT
#325
Don't know what to think of this. Shame it had to happen but hopefully other teams will learn from this. I am pretty sure it will happen again though.
I had a good night of sleep.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 04 2011 14:20 GMT
#326
Ahh this sucks.
Dear Sixsmith...
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
August 04 2011 14:20 GMT
#327
On August 04 2011 23:08 Quintum_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 23:00 Caphe wrote:
This is why we need a goverment approved body like Kespa for SC2. Or I really hope that Kespa and Blizzard will come to an agreement soon so Kespa can manage the legal aspect of SC2 too.


Is kespa the organization that disqualified people from turnys when they typed an extra p for a pause or typed in the a different variation of GG at the end of a game. I never followed BW so i dont know how they where but i really would not like an organization like that if a player i liked got DQ just for typing GG wp sir at the end of a match instead of just GG.

You dont need to worry about that tiny things. What important here is a organization like SC2con are just like a club of pro teams which any team can quit when they dont like the decision whenever they want.
Kespa or an organization which is approved by the Korean gorverment can work very effectively in dispute/drama like this.
Terran
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8073 Posts
August 04 2011 14:23 GMT
#328
The trouble with EG, and now this. Kinda puts TSL in a new light.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 14:25:21
August 04 2011 14:23 GMT
#329
Milkies we need you to translate the other half -_-

TSL선수 및 감독은 위 사실에 동의하고 있습니다. 선수들 또한 이러한 결정을 내린 스타2협의회 탈퇴에도 동의하고 있으며 현재 GSL, GSTL 등 차기대회 일정에 맞추어 연습에 매진하고 있습니다. 좋지 않은 소식을 전하게 되어 유감이며 걱정해주시는 많은 분들께 고맙다는 말씀을 드리고 싶습니다.

The players of TSL and the coach agree with those statements above and addition agree with leaving the association and currently busy with focusing on GSL and GSTL.

Sorry to give this regretful news and thank you to those who were worried about us.

I need to know exactly what that means.. now.

On August 04 2011 23:23 Excludos wrote:
The trouble with EG, and now this. Kinda puts TSL in a new light.

Try reading the entire OP V_V

In fact, this needs a new thread with the entire article published, not just the half that portrays TSL like shit.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Hadriel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada31 Posts
August 04 2011 14:24 GMT
#330
hmm, no matter the situation there was no reason to withhold pay to FD and Tester imo. If they were slacking that badly to the point where TSL didn't feel the need to pay them anymore, they should have just released them. Can't say I blame Tester or FD for leaving, nor Puma now for going over to EG. Not really sure how Lee can justify using advertisements with FD and Tester just because they were members of the team when the adverts were made.... the logic behind that line of thought is incredibly flawed and I'd question anyone who thought it was a fair move. Sounds to me like TSL needs some fresh management if they have any sort of hope of turning this around. On the Puma situation I actually felt a little bad for Lee and TSL, but this really changes a lot of the facts.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 04 2011 14:25 GMT
#331
Well, I can see why they continued to use the ads. It rightfully despicts the players who were on the team that time and you cannot expect them to overwork those ads whenever someobdy decides to switch the team on short term.
But withholding the wages is wrong, those wages belong to them due to the contract they signed and unless there is a clause which states that they won't get their money under certain circumstances, they should get their wage.
moonmeh
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)105 Posts
August 04 2011 14:29 GMT
#332
On August 04 2011 23:23 Probe1 wrote:
Milkies we need you to translate the other half -_-
Show nested quote +

TSL선수 및 감독은 위 사실에 동의하고 있습니다. 선수들 또한 이러한 결정을 내린 스타2협의회 탈퇴에도 동의하고 있으며 현재 GSL, GSTL 등 차기대회 일정에 맞추어 연습에 매진하고 있습니다. 좋지 않은 소식을 전하게 되어 유감이며 걱정해주시는 많은 분들께 고맙다는 말씀을 드리고 싶습니다.

The players of TSL and the coach agree with those statements above and addition agree with leaving the association and currently busy with focusing on GSL and GSTL.

Sorry to give this regretful news and thank you to those who were worried about us.

I need to know exactly what that means.. now.



Wait what? I'm sure the english you quoted was the translation. Unless I made a huge grammatical error of catastrophic proportions did you not understand it?
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
August 04 2011 14:29 GMT
#333
Oh dear. Hope to see this resolved soon, although I don't exactly know what this SC2Con is and why it matters.

Sad that there's still hostility between Manager Lee and FD/Trickster. He called them liars..
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 14:30:20
August 04 2011 14:29 GMT
#334
"You can't quit, because YOU'RE FIRED!"

So, it's basically just them not being friends with sc2con? Their players aren't banned from future competitions (GSL), I take it? Go Cliiiiiiiide and the rest of TSL!
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
August 04 2011 14:29 GMT
#335
On August 04 2011 22:59 FXOpen wrote:
One thing I have learned, and this is not in reference to coach lee as I dont know the true situation. Is that you cannot trust the players association.

I may dive into the reasons why in a different post/thread and not hijack this one.


With a statement like that you are more or less forced to explain Lookign forward to a new thread about it.

I am not young enough to know everything.
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
August 04 2011 14:29 GMT
#336
That is unfortunate, I hope TSL resolves these issues, if nothing else so the players on the team can focus on the game.

Just my impression: It sounds they are managing finances like a ma and pa store, or a small family rather than a fomrla contracts/business practices. Harvest was poor this season, so I guess Tester can't get those new shoes for his birthday :D. I dont blame people for not wanting to be part of that kind of environment, but at the same time I dont think coach Lee is evil and trying to fuck anyone over. Just making tough decisions with informal methods, bound to be conflicts and misunderstanding.
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 14:31:12
August 04 2011 14:30 GMT
#337
On August 04 2011 23:23 Probe1 wrote:
Milkies we need you to translate the other half -_-
Show nested quote +

TSL선수 및 감독은 위 사실에 동의하고 있습니다. 선수들 또한 이러한 결정을 내린 스타2협의회 탈퇴에도 동의하고 있으며 현재 GSL, GSTL 등 차기대회 일정에 맞추어 연습에 매진하고 있습니다. 좋지 않은 소식을 전하게 되어 유감이며 걱정해주시는 많은 분들께 고맙다는 말씀을 드리고 싶습니다.

The players of TSL and the coach agree with those statements above and addition agree with leaving the association and currently busy with focusing on GSL and GSTL.

Sorry to give this regretful news and thank you to those who were worried about us.

I need to know exactly what that means.. now.

What confuses you? The translation has everything in there. He says the players and other coaches agree with the statement they made and the decision to leave SC2Con. They go onto say they will focus on current GSL, GSTL and future tournaments and train hard for them. They regret having to give bad news and thank the people worrying on their behalf. That's that.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
August 04 2011 14:30 GMT
#338
Well, this is sad but I think it wouldd help the starcraft 2 community in korea in getting more serious.
Also, I did not know that junwi is the president of the SC2 association.
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
QurtStarcraft
Profile Joined January 2011
United States162 Posts
August 04 2011 14:31 GMT
#339
If coach lee said that they were actually doing their job and stopped pay would there have been a problem? I don't think Fruitdealer has earned his wages since GSL Open 1 and Trickster hasn't done anything other then sorta hold on to code-S since season getting in from season 1.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 04 2011 14:32 GMT
#340
On August 04 2011 23:30 Theeakoz wrote:
Well, this is sad but I think it wouldd help the starcraft 2 community in korea in getting more serious.
Also, I did not know that junwi is the president of the SC2 association.

He's the president of the SC2 Players Association. Not sure who has that title for SC2 Conference or if it even has one.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
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