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'TSL expelled from SC2 Conference' - Page 15
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
WAY too soon. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:44 Wfat wrote: Ok so from what I gather from this and the Puma/EG issue: Coach Lee thinks it's acceptable to withhold salaries that have been agreed under good faith without signing a legally binding contract, but defames Puma/EG when Puma was not himself contracted. Childish, unprofessional... the whole situation with this bloke and TSL seems pretty fucked to me if this is the case. Please tell me that this isn't the norm in Korean competitive gaming. Apparently all of your conlcusion after your "gathering" is all wrong and almost have nothing to do with this thread -_- | ||
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Terrafros
Netherlands194 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:34 shell wrote: This is unfortunate and sad for korean SC2, it's never pretty when an argument is judged by the public opinion.. 2 points: -Coach Lee is not a saint -EG is not that evil Pretty much this. It's good for people to realize that there's more than one side to the story, and that what the main consensus may believe isn't always right. A shame to see all this crap being thrown around left and right, but at the very least it'll teach a valuable lesson. Hopefully, one that does not have to be repeated. | ||
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Wfat
Australia108 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:46 brachester wrote: Apparently all of your conlcusion after your "gathering" is all wrong and almost have nothing to do with this thread -_- Can you please explain how? Not trying to be ignorant but maybe I've missed some key details? | ||
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eight.BiT
United States240 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:46 brachester wrote: Apparently all of your conlcusion after your "gathering" is all wrong and almost have nothing to do with this thread -_- Yes, the TSL coach has nothing to do with this thread. | ||
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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ETisME
12676 Posts
I mean korea had been doing esport bigger and longer than anywhere else (as far as I know), it's kind of strange to see how problem like "no contract, relying only on good faith" can still occur | ||
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Clow
Brazil880 Posts
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Onox
United States1072 Posts
rofl Anyways, I always thought Lee wouldn't act like this. I always though highly of him, but meh. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:48 b_unnies wrote: Honestly I think what Coach Lee did is fair. Trickster/Fruitdealer don't practice? They don't get paid. Do you expect your boss to pay you if you don't show up for work either? I agree that in theory what he did was right, but you can't just ignore contracts. The contracts should be designed in a way that takes account of practice time, probably through bonuses, that way players have motivation to practice. From the sounds of it TSL has been being run awfully, the team is basically the top players from just after release, who wanted a more relaxed practice regime. Add to that some sponsorship money so they could afford to pay some of those players wages meant that their results suffered and some of the players with wages got too comfortable. I'm speculating here, but I imagine maybe the sponsors threatened to cut some of the funding and either because of that, or at a similar period, some of the players on TSL decided they wanted to improve the results, which lead to Fruitdealer and Trickster being confronted. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:48 Wfat wrote: Can you please explain how? Not trying to be ignorant but maybe I've missed some key details? Because the whole thing about Puma is not about he defaming Puma or Puma being lusted by money and leave TSL, its about EG approaching Puma behind Lee's back, which is unacceptable. But that's another story and it alsmost has nothing to do with this thread and we should stop talking about that. | ||
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boon2537
United States905 Posts
 I hope everything will be sorted out with more information available and TSL will not get disbanded. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:48 eight.BiT wrote: Yes, the TSL coach has nothing to do with this thread. Yeah, those EG shit doesn't have its place in this thread | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
Additionally half the people criticizing EG were focusing on their communication with the foreign community anyway. | ||
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
Note: I'm not saying blame one way or another, it's just that the action taken doesn't make sense to me no matter who's right or wrong. | ||
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b_unnies
3579 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:52 Eufouria wrote: I agree that in theory what he did was right, but you can't just ignore contracts. The contracts should be designed in a way that takes account of practice time, probably through bonuses, that way players have motivation to practice. From the sounds of it TSL has been being run awfully, the team is basically the top players from just after release, who wanted a more relaxed practice regime. Add to that some sponsorship money so they could afford to pay some of those players wages meant that their results suffered and some of the players with wages got too comfortable. I'm speculating here, but I imagine maybe the sponsors threatened to cut some of the funding and either because of that, or at a similar period, some of the players on TSL decided they wanted to improve the results, which lead to Fruitdealer and Trickster being confronted. Contract's are always 2-way, never 1-way. FD/Trickster gets money but what does TSL get? Since thats pretty much what you mean by saying contracts didnt take into account practice times. TSL' sponsors have already reduced funding. | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
I may dive into the reasons why in a different post/thread and not hijack this one. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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