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renox
United States48 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote: zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke ..... Don't forget Fruitdealer won a championship as Z also, so 4/8 were won by zergs. Also, the zergs beat every race in the finals. | ||
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:38 GTR wrote: while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada). (note jinro posts from 2003, how cute) however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt). Yeah, many forget or simply don't know that this guy never really had the ideal conditions to get his 1v1 BW going. I remember one of his recent interviews mentioning that his practice for the team matches pretty much took over everything and he had very little time to focus on 1v1s. Yet he still qualified for a starleague right (can't recall which)? That is by no means an easy feat especially with little practice. I think he possesses everything a progamer needs to succeed. Work ethic, the right attitude, natural talent and a genuine passion for the game he plays. We should recognise that he was quite unlucky with his days as a BW progamer and it's very satisfying to see him blossom into a colossal figure in the SC2 scene. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
... and back to your regularly scheduled whining next season, after this short break! Kidding aside, congrats to NesTea! Still snickering over how MC still has somehow managed to edge him out of first place in earnings though, at least according to SC2 Earnings. Go go go, NesTea! Overtake him! | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
To be honest, ZvT is pretty tough, but it’s not impossible. We shouldn’t blindly call for terran nerfs before investigating and researching the matchup more. Sick quote. The mind of a real champion. | ||
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Chinchillin
United States259 Posts
 Nestea sooooooo gosu! | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9042 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:38 GTR wrote: while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada). (note jinro posts from 2003, how cute) however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt). So he DID finish his military service. Now I don't have to worry about that anymore. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote: zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke ..... you cant really look just at results to determine what is imba. | ||
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Indrium
United States2236 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote: zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke ..... It's pretty pathetic that people will use one tournament to decide balance, especially when the gsl immediately before was a TvTvTvT | ||
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
On July 31 2011 02:27 pt wrote: you cant really look just at results to determine what is imba. Not really true. You can look at results, but you need a much, much larger pool of data. One hundred large events would provide a more realistic set of data. You are right in thinking a single event or single player doesn't determine balance (it is ridiculous to say "ZvZ in the finals and 3 titles = imbalance" as constantqt posted) because anecdotal evidence is essentially worthless, but to say results don't represent what is imbalanced is very flawed. Unless a certain race somehow attracts (in MASS numbers) extremely better players, in a large data set, imbalance shines through perfectly. 1000 T 1000 P 1000 Z players All compete over 100 events. If Z is winning 75% of their games, imbalance almost certainly exists unless you can somehow quantify skill and prove that the 1000 Z players are better. Thus, statistics represent imbalance better than anything else. However, not enough data is available, as not enough events have occurred. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 31 2011 02:27 pt wrote: you cant really look just at results to determine what is imba. It's convenient to say that, but here's the thought process: Many Zergs whine about being underpowered. What does underpowered mean? If I recall correctly, balance should be determined at the highest level. Thus, if Zerg is truly underpowered, they shouldn't be seeing as much success at the highest level as other races. Yet, here we see a ZvZ finals, with the champion not dropping a single game. Let's look back at some of the complaints that Zerg players had. Some that stuck out to me were some of IdrA's complaints: Namely, that Zerg's lack of effective scouting early on means playing a risky guessing game in which luck is the biggest factor. Guess wrong, you lose, guess right, the game goes on. Unfortunately, Nestea's amazing results contradicts that. Unless he's just the luckiest man alive, you cannot go through the entire GSL Code S without dropping a single game if IdrA's complaints about how playing Zerg is a guessing game holds any water. Nor can you go through the entire GSL Code S without dropping a single game is Zerg if at some sort of crippling disadvantage that I see so many Zergs whining about. Note that I am not trying to say that Zerg is OP. I'm making an argument that Zerg isn't underpowered. | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:38 GTR wrote: while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada). (note jinro posts from 2003, how cute) however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt). He was Zergboy? ohgod | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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Swiftly
Iceland160 Posts
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KingOctavious
United States324 Posts
On July 30 2011 22:18 GetToDaChopa wrote: "In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s mining." Does this mean he used changlings to stand in the mineral line? No, he gooped the hatcheries. | ||
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catleaves
United States506 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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