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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 14:49:33
July 30 2011 13:05 GMT
#1
[T/N I'm still new to the whole StarCraft 2 thing, but I'm willing to learn, so if you guys see anything egregiously wrong, please don't hesitate to point it out to me!]

Your winner is....

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NESTEA

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Thoughts on the win?
I’m extremely glad to be the first player to win 3 GSLs. The games went very smoothly, without many unexpected variables. When I was up 2-0, I felt like there was no way I would lose game 3, so I considered the score 3-0. I had primarily prepared for the 4th and 5th games, so at that point I felt a 4-0 victory was well within reach.

In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s production.
I had planned to use this strategy in game 5, but every time I went to attack in game 2 I was pushed back. I thought about it, and even if my opponent blocked my overseers he would still take damage, and plus if I won game 2 with overseers then I might never see game 5. So I felt like unleashing this cheese in game 2 would be the best choice. If I hadn’t used overseers, it would have been tough to secure the victory.

This was a teamkill game, and during the pre-finals interview LosirA sounded pretty confident.
I think he was trying to hype up the series, and that’s pretty qt. In practice, I knew this day would come, so I kept a couple strategies hidden.

With your third GSL win, you are now first in the GSL point rankings as well as total earnings. Which are you happiest about?
Being top in GSL points, because it means I can participate in more competitions.

How do you feel you are different from other zergs?
I don’t know either. I just hope to get some rest; I think I’m getting old, heh. Although if I don’t seize my opportunities right now, I don’t want to think about what my future will be like. If I don’t work very hard while at my peak, it’ll be tough to survive in this scene, so I’m continuing to put in extraordinary effort.
Although there are a lot of players who work extremely hard, I don’t think any work harder than me. I don’t travel anywhere for fun, and I really hope to get a break. My practice partners say my worker count is always higher than other zergs’, so I guess that would be a difference. This isn’t a secret so much as a habit.

In game 4, you used an extreme strategy to win the game.
Originally, if my opponent expanded in game 2, I would have played like this. This cheese was something I prepared beforehand. LosirA loves to take expansions stealthily, so this cheese was designed to attack that weakness. Even if my first wave didn’t take the game, I felt that using management like in game 2 could still net me the win.

And your reason for not using banelings?
Everyone has his own style, whether it’s banelings or roaches, and the winner is decided by who plays better. I already knew my opponent’s tactics, so that wasn’t much of a hindrance. Who uses which strategy doesn’t matter as much as who uses his strategy well.

Could you evaluate LosirA’s play briefly?
Today’s tactics were ones I hadn’t ever displayed before. It’s possible that because he was facing these for the first time, he didn’t respond well. Although LosirA’s play did leave me somewhat disappointed, he was no small challenge to beat.

What if other players start using the strategies you used today? [T/N This question translation credit to Telcontar]
There are builds which can beat them. I would be thankful if they did use it.

About how many new strategies did you prepare?
I couldn’t possibly use these except against an opponent of LosirA’s caliber. These were all tactics I had researched beforehand, but I was never able to use them. However, the only secret weapons I’ve saved are the ones I won with today.

Some worry that because of the dominance of the swarm, terran won’t be nerfed for some time.
I have three wins, so I really shouldn’t be talking about nerfing terran or anything like that; it’s kinda awkward. To be honest, ZvT is pretty tough, but it’s not impossible. We shouldn’t blindly call for terran nerfs before investigating and researching the matchup more.

There hasn’t yet been a player to win the GSL twice in a row.
As a progamer, the only possible goal is to become a champion. To become a champion, I work hard. I won’t look at what’s already happened, only at what is still to come.

The players MC and MVP who are competing with you for the title of #1 player are catching up fast.
As long as they don’t meet in the finals, I won’t let them catch up to me. I’ll eliminate them if they advance. Right now, I’m #1, so I shouldn’t have anything to fear. [T/N I think NesTea sounds a bit arrogant in my English translation – I apologize, because his tone sounds less arrogant in the Chinese and I couldn’t find a better translation]

A lot of players want you to pick them in the upcoming group selection.
I’ve read all the interviews where players say that, but I won’t pay much attention to it. I’ll pick who I want to, although I haven’t yet decided who. I’ll think about it after I go home today.

Anything else?
I want to thank Horror, TSL_RevivaL, and the other players who practiced with me. They all helped me train an incredible amount, especially Horror, who even came to my home to practice. These guys have worked so hard. LosirA got the silver medal, but he’ll definitely have more shots in the future, so I hope he’ll keep on training. Lastly, I’d like to thank IM’s sponsors. In the future, we’ll definitely achieve even greater things to repay your support!



source: http://sc2.plu.cn/interviews/2011-07-30/32159.html , originally from PlayXP
Translator:3
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
July 30 2011 13:08 GMT
#2
is he for real?
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 13:13:13
July 30 2011 13:10 GMT
#3
Thank you for the translation, I missed most of the games due to other commitments
<3 NesTea, very hard working and likeable guy
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
July 30 2011 13:12 GMT
#4
Oh what, he doesn't live in the team house?
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
July 30 2011 13:13 GMT
#5
Nice interview. Props to Nestea for using his version of shock and awe against LosirA. He was even a bit disappointed in Losira's play, for understandable reasons. Of all the kinds of 4-0 wins, a series like this is what I like to see as Nestea-Inca was a lot less enjoyable.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. - Bilbo
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 13:16:04
July 30 2011 13:15 GMT
#6
Thanks for the translation.+ Show Spoiler +
Nestea
is such a nerd-baller.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
July 30 2011 13:16 GMT
#7
On July 30 2011 22:12 snafoo wrote:
Oh what, he doesn't live in the team house?

It's not clear, as the literal translation would be "place of residency." I put "home" to be slightly less wordy.
Translator:3
nkulu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States242 Posts
July 30 2011 13:16 GMT
#8
Awesome. Nestea busting out them special tactics even his team mates don't know about.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12701 Posts
July 30 2011 13:17 GMT
#9
the link has been 404'd
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
GetToDaChopa
Profile Joined September 2010
United States206 Posts
July 30 2011 13:18 GMT
#10
"In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s mining."

Does this mean he used changlings to stand in the mineral line?
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 13:22:13
July 30 2011 13:21 GMT
#11
Thanks a lot for the translation.

I think you may slightly have mistranslated one question:
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"In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s mining." doesn't make any sense to me as he didn't block any mining and overseers aren't really capable of doing that. Are you sure it shouldn't be:
"In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s production."
Overseers were used to contaminate hatcheries and evolution chambers which halts larvae production and halts upgrades.


EDIT:
@GetToDaChopa: He didn't do that, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't work due to workers mineral walking through units.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
July 30 2011 13:22 GMT
#12
On July 30 2011 22:16 infinitestory wrote:
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On July 30 2011 22:12 snafoo wrote:
Oh what, he doesn't live in the team house?

It's not clear, as the literal translation would be "place of residency." I put "home" to be slightly less wordy.

You're right.
He has answered in an interview before (I think related to the CotH for the MLG ticket to Colombus) that he lives on his own.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
July 30 2011 13:22 GMT
#13
On July 30 2011 22:17 ETisME wrote:
the link has been 404'd

Fixed.

On July 30 2011 22:21 rasnj wrote:
Thanks a lot for the translation.

I think you may slightly have mistranslated one question:
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"In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s mining." doesn't make any sense to me as he didn't block any mining and overseers aren't really capable of doing that. Are you sure it shouldn't be:
"In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s production."
Overseers were used to contaminate hatcheries and evolution chambers which halts larvae production and halts upgrades.

Also fixed.

Thanks
Translator:3
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 30 2011 13:22 GMT
#14

I have three wins, so I really shouldn’t be talking about nerfing terran or anything like that; it’s kinda awkward. To be honest, ZvT is pretty tough, but it’s not impossible. We shouldn’t blindly call for terran nerfs before investigating and researching the matchup more.


Spoken like a true 3 time GSL champion.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Peksi
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 13:24:54
July 30 2011 13:22 GMT
#15
Thanks for translating, Nestea's such a baller.

On July 30 2011 22:12 snafoo wrote:
Oh what, he doesn't live in the team house?

Well he's a married man afterall. edit: or has a girlfriend, can't really remember.
It can't be helped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Saicam
Profile Joined July 2011
262 Posts
July 30 2011 13:24 GMT
#16
Nestea ftw
Joonz
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand18 Posts
July 30 2011 13:24 GMT
#17
Thanks for the translation
Always nice to hear the player's train of thought in the finals
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Nestea FTW!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 30 2011 13:26 GMT
#18
Professor Tea so far ahead in the ZvZ metagame even his teammates don't know about it.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 30 2011 13:29 GMT
#19
Now he admits that they should investigate more throughout before nerfing Terran again? Finally.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
July 30 2011 13:33 GMT
#20
The detective Zerg investigating ZvT? Uh oh!
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 13:36:28
July 30 2011 13:36 GMT
#21
NesTea is a baller!

"I have three wins, so I really shouldn’t be talking about nerfing terran or anything like that; it’s kinda awkward."


LOL!
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 30 2011 13:36 GMT
#22
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Some worry that because of the dominance of the swarm, terran won’t be nerfed for some time.
I have three wins, so I really shouldn’t be talking about nerfing terran or anything like that; it’s kinda awkward. To be honest, ZvT is pretty tough, but it’s not impossible. We shouldn’t blindly call for terran nerfs before investigating and researching the matchup more.


<3 This comment. I have always hated the OMG nerf this nerf that mentality some have. Hehe but its not like he is didn't have his fair share of whining
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
July 30 2011 13:38 GMT
#23
If I don’t work very hard while at my peak, it’ll be tough to survive in this scene, so I’m continuing to put in extraordinary effort.
Although there are a lot of players who work extremely hard, I don’t think any work harder than me. I don’t travel anywhere for fun, and I really hope to get a break. My practice partners say my worker count is always higher than other zergs’, so I guess that would be a difference. This isn’t a secret so much as a habit


And there you have it. Talent + extreme dedication
Dodge arrows
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 30 2011 13:41 GMT
#24
On July 30 2011 22:36 windsupernova wrote:
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Some worry that because of the dominance of the swarm, terran won’t be nerfed for some time.
I have three wins, so I really shouldn’t be talking about nerfing terran or anything like that; it’s kinda awkward. To be honest, ZvT is pretty tough, but it’s not impossible. We shouldn’t blindly call for terran nerfs before investigating and researching the matchup more.


<3 This comment. I have always hated the OMG nerf this nerf that mentality some have. Hehe but its not like he is didn't have his fair share of whining

He has always whined about Terran until recently though.
Sometimes it's funny is that, you have to to get interviewed to whine, and so far we hear the whine from Nestea the most.
dc302
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia576 Posts
July 30 2011 13:41 GMT
#25
Nestea seems to claim that he is confident against MVP, so I would definitely like to see that.
...
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 13:43:44
July 30 2011 13:42 GMT
#26
My poor Losira T_T

Congratulations to NesTea; the guy is an absolute monster. Some interesting thoughts in his interview, I had a giggle out of the TvZ comment.
Phosgene
Profile Joined February 2011
United States187 Posts
July 30 2011 13:46 GMT
#27
Ah, got to it before I did.
Well. Nestea is a ZvZ monster. Expected result I suppose.
Itsgosu
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
July 30 2011 13:50 GMT
#28
On July 30 2011 22:12 snafoo wrote:
Oh what, he doesn't live in the team house?

I recall John saying that Nestea doesn't live in the team house because he can't smoke there, and that if he could smoke in the booth he would lol.

Don't know if he was trolling but that's what he said!

I really hope Nestea does well next season :D I really want to see him at MLG or Dreamhack <3 I feel like we don't get enough exposure to him since he only plays in the GSL and rarely comes out in the GSTL.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
July 30 2011 13:52 GMT
#29
thanks for the interview

if play random i can't call any race imba?
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
July 30 2011 13:57 GMT
#30
Hm in his previous interview he did say he was in the team house and it was hard for him to practice because Horror is sitting next to Losira.

So i'll assume that being the senior, he stayed home the past week so the practice sessions didn't become uncomfortable.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 14:06:34
July 30 2011 13:58 GMT
#31
Surprised they didn't mention anything about the fact that it was an undefeated championship. Thanks for the translation!

Btw, there was a Q&A the chinese article seems to have left out. It was between Q8 & 9. Maybe they thought it was redundant because of its length? Anywho, here it is:

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오늘 쓴 전략을 다른 선수들이 쓴다면?
- 이걸 이길 수 있는 빌드가 또 있다. 다른 선수가 쓰면 나야 고맙다.

What if other players start using the strategies you used today?
- There are builds which can beat them. I would be thankful if they did use it.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
StimMarine
Profile Joined March 2011
723 Posts
July 30 2011 14:00 GMT
#32
Good interview, thanks for the translation.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 30 2011 14:25 GMT
#33
On July 30 2011 22:05 infinitestory wrote:
Could you evaluate LosirA’s play briefly?
Today’s tactics were ones I hadn’t ever displayed before. It’s possible that because he was facing these for the first time, he didn’t respond well. Although LosirA’s play did leave me somewhat disappointed, he was no small challenge to beat.


This would such a great opportunity for the disappointed Asian father meme....

It is sad that the GSL despite being a collection of some of the greatest players in the world is cursed with yet another one-sided final. Congrats to Nestea!!!
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
July 30 2011 14:48 GMT
#34
On July 30 2011 22:58 Telcontar wrote:
Btw, there was a Q&A the chinese article seems to have left out. It was between Q8 & 9. Maybe they thought it was redundant because of its length? Anywho, here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +

오늘 쓴 전략을 다른 선수들이 쓴다면?
- 이걸 이길 수 있는 빌드가 또 있다. 다른 선수가 쓰면 나야 고맙다.

What if other players start using the strategies you used today?
- There are builds which can beat them. I would be thankful if they did use it.

That is more me being blind than anything else. Added.
Translator:3
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 30 2011 15:16 GMT
#35
I really hope all this success from Nestea will encourage other old retired BW players to give this game a shot. IM LOOKING AT YOU YELLOW/REACH.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
July 30 2011 15:23 GMT
#36
On July 31 2011 00:16 Jyvblamo wrote:
I really hope all this success from Nestea will encourage other old retired BW players to give this game a shot. IM LOOKING AT YOU YELLOW/REACH.

I think you might have hit something there :D

In any case. NesTea winning multiple GSL's just shows that it doesn't matter what age you are.
I just hope that one of the old legens Boxer/July/NaDa wins a GSL or if any other legend transitions to sc2 (KANG MIN PLZ! when his service ends) to boost e-sports in Korea more and eventually world wide.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
July 30 2011 15:30 GMT
#37
Nestea really is the best zerg in the world...

and I agree we don't really need Terran nerfs :p
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constantqt
Profile Joined July 2011
176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 15:31:56
July 30 2011 15:30 GMT
#38
zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke .....
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 15:40:31
July 30 2011 15:38 GMT
#39
while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada).

(note jinro posts from 2003, how cute)

however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt).
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BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
July 30 2011 15:38 GMT
#40
Good job, thanks for the interview

NESTEA HWAITING!!!
renox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 15:41:57
July 30 2011 15:41 GMT
#41
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote:
zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke .....

Don't forget Fruitdealer won a championship as Z also, so 4/8 were won by zergs. Also, the zergs beat every race in the finals.
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 30 2011 15:50 GMT
#42
Nestea is a scary strong(est) Z.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 30 2011 16:04 GMT
#43
On July 31 2011 00:38 GTR wrote:
while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada).

(note jinro posts from 2003, how cute)

however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt).

Yeah, many forget or simply don't know that this guy never really had the ideal conditions to get his 1v1 BW going. I remember one of his recent interviews mentioning that his practice for the team matches pretty much took over everything and he had very little time to focus on 1v1s. Yet he still qualified for a starleague right (can't recall which)? That is by no means an easy feat especially with little practice.

I think he possesses everything a progamer needs to succeed. Work ethic, the right attitude, natural talent and a genuine passion for the game he plays. We should recognise that he was quite unlucky with his days as a BW progamer and it's very satisfying to see him blossom into a colossal figure in the SC2 scene.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 30 2011 16:23 GMT
#44
Surprisingly whine-free interview by NesTea, but then again, he did just win, and it was a ZvZ.

... and back to your regularly scheduled whining next season, after this short break!

Kidding aside, congrats to NesTea! Still snickering over how MC still has somehow managed to edge him out of first place in earnings though, at least according to SC2 Earnings. Go go go, NesTea! Overtake him!
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 30 2011 16:27 GMT
#45
To be honest, ZvT is pretty tough, but it’s not impossible. We shouldn’t blindly call for terran nerfs before investigating and researching the matchup more.


Sick quote. The mind of a real champion.
Chinchillin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States259 Posts
July 30 2011 16:28 GMT
#46
Love when Zergs win, gives people less of a reason to complain Nestea sooooooo gosu!
Leenocktopus! InNoVation!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9036 Posts
July 30 2011 17:22 GMT
#47
On July 31 2011 00:38 GTR wrote:
while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada).

(note jinro posts from 2003, how cute)

however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt).

So he DID finish his military service. Now I don't have to worry about that anymore.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
July 30 2011 17:27 GMT
#48
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote:
zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke .....


you cant really look just at results to determine what is imba.
EG-TL!
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 17:36:10
July 30 2011 17:30 GMT
#49
I'm so stupid. What I asked for was in the OP. T_T
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
July 30 2011 17:48 GMT
#50
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote:
zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke .....


It's pretty pathetic that people will use one tournament to decide balance, especially when the gsl immediately before was a TvTvTvT
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
July 30 2011 17:52 GMT
#51
On July 31 2011 02:27 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote:
zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke .....


you cant really look just at results to determine what is imba.


Not really true. You can look at results, but you need a much, much larger pool of data. One hundred large events would provide a more realistic set of data. You are right in thinking a single event or single player doesn't determine balance (it is ridiculous to say "ZvZ in the finals and 3 titles = imbalance" as constantqt posted) because anecdotal evidence is essentially worthless, but to say results don't represent what is imbalanced is very flawed.

Unless a certain race somehow attracts (in MASS numbers) extremely better players, in a large data set, imbalance shines through perfectly.

1000 T
1000 P
1000 Z players
All compete over 100 events.

If Z is winning 75% of their games, imbalance almost certainly exists unless you can somehow quantify skill and prove that the 1000 Z players are better.

Thus, statistics represent imbalance better than anything else.

However, not enough data is available, as not enough events have occurred.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 30 2011 17:55 GMT
#52
I love how he works harder because he knows he is older and has less opportunities. It is really inspiring, and it really shows in his gameplay!
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
July 30 2011 18:03 GMT
#53
simply the best player in the world!
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 18:09:51
July 30 2011 18:04 GMT
#54
On July 31 2011 02:27 pt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 00:30 constantqt wrote:
zergs balance whine is getting pathetic, zvz in the finals and his 3rd title and zerg is still weak ? joke .....


you cant really look just at results to determine what is imba.


It's convenient to say that, but here's the thought process:

Many Zergs whine about being underpowered. What does underpowered mean? If I recall correctly, balance should be determined at the highest level. Thus, if Zerg is truly underpowered, they shouldn't be seeing as much success at the highest level as other races. Yet, here we see a ZvZ finals, with the champion not dropping a single game. Let's look back at some of the complaints that Zerg players had. Some that stuck out to me were some of IdrA's complaints: Namely, that Zerg's lack of effective scouting early on means playing a risky guessing game in which luck is the biggest factor. Guess wrong, you lose, guess right, the game goes on. Unfortunately, Nestea's amazing results contradicts that. Unless he's just the luckiest man alive, you cannot go through the entire GSL Code S without dropping a single game if IdrA's complaints about how playing Zerg is a guessing game holds any water. Nor can you go through the entire GSL Code S without dropping a single game is Zerg if at some sort of crippling disadvantage that I see so many Zergs whining about. Note that I am not trying to say that Zerg is OP. I'm making an argument that Zerg isn't underpowered.
Shalaiyn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2735 Posts
July 30 2011 18:08 GMT
#55
On July 31 2011 00:38 GTR wrote:
while at times zergbong/nestea may be mocked for being (mainly) a teamplay player back in bw with mediocre stats, i'm sure 99% of people weren't aware he was pretty much one of (if not) the best amateur zerg in 02-03 (he was practice partners with players like xellos and nada).

(note jinro posts from 2003, how cute)

however he decided to forgo his progaming career to do military service (not sure if he did university as well though). because of this decision, he fell behind (2005-06 saw a HUGE shift into the macro-based play we know today), and after becoming pro in 2006, he was subsequently persuaded to start practicing mainly for teamplay on ktf (now kt).


He was Zergboy? ohgod
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
July 30 2011 18:08 GMT
#56
Master is dissapoint by his disciple
Swiftly
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland160 Posts
July 30 2011 18:30 GMT
#57
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
"If you dont like the smell of burning meat then get the fuck off the planet" - Immortal Technique
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
July 30 2011 18:33 GMT
#58
On July 30 2011 22:18 GetToDaChopa wrote:
"In game 2, you used overseers effectively to block your opponent’s mining."

Does this mean he used changlings to stand in the mineral line?


No, he gooped the hatcheries.
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catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
July 30 2011 18:41 GMT
#59
thank you for the interview! good job, nestea! :D
^^
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 30 2011 19:11 GMT
#60
Nestea IS a monster, he's unreal how far ahead of everyone he is. :s
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
July 30 2011 21:01 GMT
#61
I love NesTea's constant references to research and investigation. His foresight into knowing "this day would come" is amazing. This interview just seals the whole "Professor Tea" persona and I love it! I hope for many more victories for NesTea in the future.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
tok
Profile Joined April 2010
United States691 Posts
July 30 2011 21:09 GMT
#62
Solid interview, I look forward to the next season.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 30 2011 21:12 GMT
#63
Lets see who can withhold Nestea from a 4th title. I think the only persons who have a good chance of beating him are MVP, MC and Bomber. However, they've prove they can get knocked out by anyone in earlier rounds.

There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
TheRealFluid
Profile Joined June 2011
United States501 Posts
July 30 2011 22:07 GMT
#64
+ Show Spoiler +
In practice, I knew this day would come, so I kept a couple strategies hidden.


WTF? HE'S ALSO AN ORACLE?
"The wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king.||"What do you say to god of gg? NOT TODAY" -John the Translator. "Give me Command" -Yellow.
EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
July 30 2011 22:14 GMT
#65
How do you feel you are different from other zergs?

"my worker count is always higher than other zergs.
This isn’t a secret so much as a habit."

baller
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
July 31 2011 17:23 GMT
#66
In game 4, you used an extreme strategy to win the game.
Originally, if my opponent expanded in game 2, I would have played like this. This cheese was something I prepared beforehand. LosirA loves to take expansions stealthily, so this cheese was designed to attack that weakness. Even if my first wave didn’t take the game, I felt that using management like in game 2 could still net me the win.
This was what amazed me most. To a casual eye, the strategy in game 4 looked like a total all-in that only worked because Nestea guessed his opponent's opening right, but this quote shows that his opening in game 2 was essentially the same thing; Losira opened with a "BO win" that time, and Nestea still took it.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
July 31 2011 17:38 GMT
#67
Nestea's constant zerg whining is just a smoke screen to cover himself. It's the same thing he does when he "practices" on ladder. In one of sC's interview, he mentioned that he regularly crushes Nestea on ladder only for Nestea to display his true power on tournaments.

Obviously, he isn't going to say zerg UP when there is a ZvZ final but watch him go back to his old tricks very soon.
Space Invader
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia291 Posts
July 31 2011 23:47 GMT
#68
On July 30 2011 22:16 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 22:12 snafoo wrote:
Oh what, he doesn't live in the team house?

It's not clear, as the literal translation would be "place of residency." I put "home" to be slightly less wordy.

just using "place" would've worked well. 'place' and 'house' are both much more casual, if he was referring to the team house then you can just write 'our place' rather than 'my place', but you wouldn't use 'house' if it wasn't his private abode.
I may be of thome athithtanthe if there ith a thudden crithith!
IMNotMvp
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)530 Posts
August 01 2011 00:47 GMT
#69
thanks for the translation
sc2olorin
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
August 01 2011 07:08 GMT
#70
Nestea has slowly but surely started to become one of my most favorite players due to the way he has been handling himself in the last few months. I have great respect for him, and I expect his reign of dominance will not be subdued for quite some time yet.
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