EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 98
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Kairos~
Canada129 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
I'm talking about the starcraft scene ;o | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:50 babylon wrote: TSL had one of the laxest training schedules imaginable. I doubt he was treated like a slave. And he got free room and board. And a salary to top it off. All I'm saying is that the best basketball player in the world makes hundreds of millions of dollars, owns multiple houses and cars, and the whole world is willing to bend over backwards to make them happy. He represents a massive investment, and both the team and player have way more to lose by breaking a contract. Puma lived in the same house with ten other guys, slept on a bunk bed like a ten year old boy, and probably made as much as a cashier at McDonald's. Sure, Korea could try to form a professional organization to regulate and control players, but they would be huuuuuuuuggggge dicks if they did, considering how little some of these players make considering the amount of time and commitment they're expected to give. | ||
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Erionn
United States1015 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:55 FryktSkyene wrote: It's 5 am Eastern Time zone. As far As I know EG house or w/e is in Cali? Which is 3 hours behind so it would be just about 2 am there. It's in Arizona, close enough. Same time zone. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:58 Duravi wrote: At a minimum they would need to sign another 2-3 top koreans to give Puma better or the same practice that he had at TSL. You honestly think that is going to happen? What makes you think Puma is the only Korean EG contacted? | ||
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zeru
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:57 Termit wrote: Yeah we can clearly see that when we look up the EG roster right now can't we? He means in the future. Not their current roster but hes speculating that there are more deals in the works. "Do you seriously think that EG isn't going to sign more players?" | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
yeah cause the west surely has a good starcraft scene infrastructure that everyone should follow right? more like there's basically no structure because there's no governing body... | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:57 Tachion wrote: Players like Sheth and QXC left ROOT for FXO because of money and travel expenses etc which ROOT couldn't provide. FXOBoss sure didn't consult drewbie and catz and ask them for their permission. Is this a disrespecting Korean ethics thing? Cause stuff like this is very common when players switch teams in the west. Idk. But as far as I know...Neither drewbie or Catz is korean. Or FXO boss. I don't think they follow korean ethics. | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:54 DigitalisDestructi wrote: Now, where exactly is the "public humiliation"? On PlayXP and half this thread? Do you really think Lee is so dumb that he thinks everyone would ignore Puma as part of the equation of "a player was stolen from me"? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:58 Gamegene wrote: Sorry  . The Translation was "What happened in between sleeping place"Bad internet translator.Thanks, appreciate it. Internet translator is better than nothing. And I assume it's from sc2immvp's twitter, but would love to see a link as there are people that are not used to twitter >.<'. (yes, I never used it, never will. xD) Always find it annoying when people just quote randomly something from a side and I have to guess where it comes from. EDIT: whoa the quote was f*** up. | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:58 Gamegene wrote: Sorry . The Translation was "What happened in between sleeping place"Bad internet translator.[/QUOTE] yeah i should of grammatically corrected it | ||
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Teoyaomqui
Sweden326 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:49 Sententia wrote: Puma isn't just an object auctioned for the highest bidder, if he had wanted to stay in TSL he could easily have done so regardless of the pay raise EG offered. My bet is that Puma wanted to be on a more successful team, practicing with better players. Wow, just wow..... is this what is referred as trolling or are you the biggest blindest fanboy ever? | ||
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Butcherski
Poland446 Posts
What IS bad that another foreign team is wasting money paying wages to a korean instead of one of foreign players. That money ( wich im sure is a substantial amount i dont think anyone would disagree ) could have been used in so many ways to help foreigners catch up to the koreans. Instead its wasted on a terrible PR move and another soon to be falling behind ( he moved out of the team house ) korean pro-gamer. This is even worse than the SK move. Get your head out of your ass EG&co. | ||
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starcraft2rush
306 Posts
haha. it was meant to make a point. If you didn't get that much. | ||
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XiaN
Germany162 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:59 zeru wrote: Nah, the thread will end when people start comparing EG to Hitler. When Hitler is mentioned all hope for a rational thread lost. LOL Godwin's_law all the way \m/ | ||
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Mootland
Finland63 Posts
On July 21 2011 15:51 SiCkO_ wrote: The biggest issue was that EG started talking up another player while he was participating for another team away from most of his teammates and coaches. And while Puma was certainly able to say no, I imagine that EG would not even bring it up if they weren't 100% sure that they could make an offer that was better than anything TSL could have offered (Korean SC2 teams are not as well off because all the big bucks go to the Brood War players who are already well known and in the spotlight a lot more). What would you think if your girlfriend went to another state/city/country to go to a conference with people who knew she was going out with you, and yet some rich guy there stole her anyway. It's not the fact that they got Puma as much as it was basically EG flipping the bird to the entire team and to a lesser extent, all of korea, by saying "hey, so most of our players aren't as good are yours, whatever, we can just buy your players up even though you have them contracted because we have tons more money than you". TSL's staff and coaches spent time, energy and capital to make sure their players could succeed and do well. Their result? A player poached before he can even pay off, by a time that failed to even get a SINGLE PLAYER into the top 16 of the competition he was competing in. The reaction? I wouldn't be surprised to see teams keep their players (at least their top ones) in korea (with the exception of FXO) to simply safeguard their talent pools. EG in my opinion, has not only cemented the old Brood War concept that Koreans are simply the best, but they have also set back many of the ties that had been building as a result of cooperation between various organizations (TL-oGs, FXO/fOu, Dreamhack, GSL/MLG). This is bigger than one player, it is the precedent that Foreign teams can poach their top talent. I wish PuMa the best of luck, but EG's move is in my opinion, inconsiderate, exploitative, and a damaging blow to Korean/Foreign relations in SC2. Poor Show Quoted for truth, people are not looking far enough here, this will be a thorn in the side of korean and foreign sc2 communities and could cause Korea to "close" its borders and then we would have BW all over again because as it stands, Koreans atm are just that much better than foreigners (aside from a VERY selected few foreigners). | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
Except there are no rules in place to say EG tampered... | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:55 yeint wrote: Just because the corporate culture in Asia loves to exploit their cultural propensity for respect of one's elders doesn't make it okay. It's tantamount to defending good ol' boy white male preferentialism because it's rooted in regional cultural values. The "employer/employee" relationship isn't an analogy, it's a fact. This isn't a martial arts movie, this is real life. People need to earn money to live, and they do so by working for organizations that pay them for it. Ah, complete disrespect of another culture. Sorry but not everyone is greedy like in the West. So you know how in this recession in the USA, CEOs are giving themselves and other high-ranking employees raises when there's no spare cash to be throwing around? Well there was some article about a Japanese CEO (of a huge company, FYI) who lowered his pay to either that of the average employee or even to nothing (can't remember which one it was) and had his lunch in the common cafeteria with the average employees. Something about respect and not wasting money when there's nothing to be spared. It's the same in Korea and plenty of other Asian countries. Family and respect, not individualism and capitalism. | ||
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