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Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
July 21 2011 06:43 GMT
#541
I...just like everyone else...said HOLY SHIT!!
savior & jaedong
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
July 21 2011 06:43 GMT
#542
Wow this is pretty insane o.o

I just find it a bit weird that these foreign teams are adopting Korean players, with the total lack of communication and all.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
July 21 2011 06:43 GMT
#543
On July 21 2011 15:41 Shewklad wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:35 babylon wrote:
What the fuck is going on?

Fucking hell. Firstly, this is horrible press for foreign teams. Absolutely shitty. Secondly, going behind management? Dodgy at best. Thirdly, Puma, I know money is great, but you just got 50k USD, and at the very least you could, y'know, wait until your contract expired?

Goddammit, what the hell is wrong with having a little professionalism in SC2?



Everything this man just wrote.


EG must be one of the most unprofessional teams there is. And I'm pretty sure that Puma will get bored when Incontrol, Idra and machine are "hitting the gym" - While Puma acctualy wants to improve in sc2.

Yes, because SC 2 players literally practice so much they can't do anything ever not involved with SC 2.
Mootland
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland63 Posts
July 21 2011 06:43 GMT
#544
A very underhand move by EG, from what I understood from the OP
EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.
Puma will be staying in Korea but he will be flew over around the world for international tournaments? Will Puma still be trying for GSL? So many questions left unanswered here...

A little funfact: TSL was the first sc2 pro team to pay salary to their players

2nd: I think this is a bad move from PuMa's part considering his potential growth in sc2.

3rd: This will most likely affect the relations between the foreign and the korean community and pro scene and I'm quite sure this will be remembered for quite some while.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 21 2011 06:43 GMT
#545
On July 21 2011 15:38 Arcticc wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:34 Bosu wrote:
I don't see how it's shady at all. If I were a player I would want to make choices for myself and have teams talk to me not my managers and coaches.


A form of this comment has been posted about 20 times now.

This literally happened last week at the company i work for. A bigger company went behind my company's back and poached our employee. It's shady and it's not something a respectable company should do. It's a real snaky corporate America move.


No, it's not a sneaky corporate America move! People own themselves, their employers do not own them.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Moosy
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada396 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#546
eg needs terrans. who better?
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#547
On July 21 2011 15:42 Namu wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:40 Halcyondaze wrote:
This isn't like big league sports. These players aren't under a binding contract, and they are free to make their own decisions. If Puma was talked to and agreed with EG about joining up then so be it. They will pay him more for his work...
The way it was presented is from the TSL point of view, which makes everybody want to flame EG for "Stealing" Puma, which is a fucking joke.

Well done EG, foreigners - STEP UP YOU'RE GAME


how do you even know they dont have a binding contract? do you have any idea what you're talking about?


He does not.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#548
On July 21 2011 15:43 Fionn wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:39 Wargizmo wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:22 doihy wrote:
Lost respect for puma , its one thing for lower tier players like rain or hwangsin to join foreign teams... but its totally different if a higher tier player joins foreign teams just for $$$.. Whatever happened to building teamwork.or wanting to have the highest tier of practice partners? I'll be rooting against him in every tourney he plays in..


Work 12+ hours plus per day,
Be among the best in the world at what you do,
Get paid next to nothing for it.

In what twisted reality does this make sense? I would have done exactly the same as what Puma did. I'm on the fence about whether it was a dick move from EG or not but you can't blame Puma in the slightest.


Who says TSL was paying Puma next to nothing? Just because Artosis said some Korean players don't get paid at all, DOES NOT MEAN TSL DOESN'T PAY THEIR PLAYERS WELL. It's been known forever that TSL was the first team in Korea to give salaries to their players.

This simply seems like EG has more money, gave Puma a bigger contract, Puma forced Lee's hand, and Lee terminated Puma's contract so that he could leave. If this was truly TSL "owning" a player, Lee could have just ignored Puma's wishes and kept him under his current contract.

They were giving FD something like 80k, which is 4x the money the average Korean person gets.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#549
On July 21 2011 15:39 Serpico wrote:
I dont understand. If this is legal under his contract (allowed to talk to other teams and discuss deals) then it's a complete failure on their part to put the proper wording in contracts to completely lock down their players. It's business and you all CONSTANTLY scream about ESPORTS getting bigger and this is apart of that.

Pretty much. People can't compare this to the NFL or NBA because there is no league/association that governs teams and players. Its a complete free market with NO regulation. Nothing will change unless something like that rises. And if it does, esports has gone big time.

EG did nothing wrong. TSL could have refused to release Puma. And then he would still be on TSL. But they let him leave. They didn't sign him while he was still on TSL. Haven't you ever searched for other jobs while still at your old one? Pretty much the same thing.

This is the 4th player to leave TSL in a short amount of time. Something is up with them. And I think its incredibly naive to sit there and bash EG without knowing the whole story, especially with players fleeing from TSL.
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taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#550
On July 21 2011 15:40 yiodee wrote:
It is well known that the EG coach is a little bit of a bad person. I don't want to take the liberty of calling him an asshole in a forum.

That being said, it is absolutely awesome that a player as good as PUMA is joining a foreigner team! Not only EG will benefit from it, but it also opens doors to a more dynamic trade of players between korea and abroad


the EG coach is a bad person, do you even know who the EG coach is? or are you talking about the Sirscoots or Alex Garfield? because its because of people like them that eSports is growing in legitimacy, if they are "bad people" than what does that make us people who don't do anything for esports besides watching it? ridiculous.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#551
Hey if you can`t beat em, steal em!



I kid, I kid. Seriously though, I won`t lie I am a bit disappointed, I can`t find myself cheering for PuMa to be honest.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#552
TSL falling apart T_T this is bad
Shewklad
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden482 Posts
July 21 2011 06:44 GMT
#553
Ahh... Good old United States of America. It's all about the $$$ - Too bad you're soon out of $.

User was warned for this post
Bomber || Thorzain || Startale >< No gods, no masters.
Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#554
Well I hope for PuMa it will be worth it. EG lacked a really good terran anyway.
It ain't over till it's over
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#555
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:Manager Lee decided to respect the player's wishes in the end. He noted that "It's really disturbing. It feels like the player I raised was just stolen away from me.", adding that "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this"

If no contract was broken by this agreement between Puma and EG that Lee guy should perhaps do something like: shut the fuck up?
There is a system he 'needs', it's called: contracts
Greek Mythology 2.0: Imagine Sisyphos as a man who wants to watch all videos on youtube... and Tityos as one who HAS to watch all of them.
Alexian
Profile Joined October 2010
United States46 Posts
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#556
Why does everyone keep saying his skills will deteriorate? TSL is one of the worst teams right now (Except for Sang ho). Demuslim and IdrA are at least as good as TSL members. If he can get that good on a team like that, he probably will be fine on any team.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#557
On July 21 2011 15:44 Shewklad wrote:
Ahh... Good old United States of America. It's all about the $$$ - Too bad you're soon out of $.


Well since you seem to have the detailed based on your confident post, would you care to give us some insight into EG's financial situation?
Halcyondaze
Profile Joined January 2011
United States509 Posts
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#558
On July 21 2011 15:36 OptimusYale wrote:
HOLY SHIT!

I have 2 feelings about this, 1 good 1 bad.


Good: Amazing korean SC player joining a team that is one of the best teams out there, a great signing picking up one of the most amazing players at the moment

Bad: Player sniping needs to stop/be regulated. If TSL are 'releasing' him, it means they are getting no money back from what they invested into him. When will the player sniping stop? We've had teams like FXO take players from other teams. So many teams are just taking players at any point...it just seems silly to me to not have some kind of regulation to stop/keep this happening at the same point. We need a global body to moderate actions of teams (like FIFA) and have maybe 3 windows a year where players can be transfered/ drafted kind of like SCBW. Without it teams are going to lack consistency and lose players that should not be leaving.

We need something in place to stop this! WWESA? (World Wide Esports Associsation?)


If Puma wants to leave then so fucking be it. The korean teams DON'T treat their players as well as the Foreign teams will. I hope this keeps happening, maybe the SC2 scene will sway out of korea a bit
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 06:47:04
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#559
On July 21 2011 15:43 Aranaukin wrote:
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On July 21 2011 15:41 EchoZ wrote:
On July 21 2011 15:40 Aranaukin wrote:
Why is this scummy? This happens in pro sports all the time. You never go talk to the management in pro sports you talk to the agent. I was beginning to wonder if agents would ever be involved in e-sports. You people need to stop being butt hurt over something that's not a big deal. If Puma left to join EG it's probably because they're going to accommodate him better than TSL is. Which is what he deserves for being a great player.

So now you guys don't care that it's better for the individuals training if it's worse for a team? lulz.


You see, the coach IS the agent.


Does a coach get money for signing the player to another team ? no. The coach is the manager, far different from an agent.


One slight problem is that Sc2 leagues haven't developed to the point where their is actually a market. So you actually can't talk about agents yet, because it is simply preposterous.

EDIT: Managers are the players only "formal" outside link with all the negotiations and stuff too for now in sc2.
Dear Sixsmith...
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
July 21 2011 06:45 GMT
#560
Why weren't Korean netizens outraged when Startale picked up Trickster? Gimme a break.
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