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On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:50 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:48 Numy wrote:
People need to realise they can't act like assholes just because it's the internet. She might be overreacting but it's still a good thing. This idea of "it's just trolling so leave it" is disgusting. still not as disgusting as having a "lets police everything" mindset and for the record, people are much bigger assholes in real life than anything you will ever see on the internet. In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive.
Your point was if it's funny to someone it's fine. I'm amazed you don't see the massive problems with that ideology.
On July 19 2011 23:09 Phenny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:50 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:48 Numy wrote:
People need to realise they can't act like assholes just because it's the internet. She might be overreacting but it's still a good thing. This idea of "it's just trolling so leave it" is disgusting. still not as disgusting as having a "lets police everything" mindset and for the record, people are much bigger assholes in real life than anything you will ever see on the internet. In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Defamation has to be expressly stated or implied to be factual, this was just done for cheap laughs. Disgusting yes but I don't believe it's defamation.
This doesn't really make sense. Just because something is done for laughs doesn't mean it's not defamation. Making Eve appear as a porn star is changing what her actual character is. That's defamation. Same way as saying someone is a racist just for a laugh.
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On July 19 2011 23:01 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 22:48 BeeNu wrote:
Yeah apparently you're sexist. That's your right.
As some other people said, this kind of thing can be totally illegal in Korea. Can you blame Jessica for following the laws EVEN if it's overreacting?
Don't ask me that. I absolutely hate people who hide behind laws that I view as wrong and unjust, this law would be an example of that because I believe in free speech. Sure they may just be trolling but it should be their right to say what they want even if what they say is stupid. Even if you're against a law, the law still exists and you must follow it.
L O L
A lot of Nazis probably thought the same way you do, I wonder how that worked out for them.
If a law is wrong then you must fight against that law to have it changed.
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On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:50 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:48 Numy wrote:
People need to realise they can't act like assholes just because it's the internet. She might be overreacting but it's still a good thing. This idea of "it's just trolling so leave it" is disgusting. still not as disgusting as having a "lets police everything" mindset and for the record, people are much bigger assholes in real life than anything you will ever see on the internet. In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive.
That may be true, depending on the image, yes.
However, we don't have these images, do we? And we aren't the people judging the images. So who are we to lash out at KKY to say that these images are not defamatory? Do we know if these images have not been circulated on the korean web to say "oh look, SlayerS_Eve is a porn star!"?
And disregarding ANY point - what is this Comedic use thing? I want to know about it, irregardless of this topic.
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On July 19 2011 23:12 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:50 BeeNu wrote:
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still not as disgusting as having a "lets police everything" mindset
and for the record, people are much bigger assholes in real life than anything you will ever see on the internet. In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. Your point was if it's funny to someone it's fine. I'm amazed you don't see the massive problems with that ideology.
There are none that can actually be solved without creating far worse problems.
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On July 19 2011 23:13 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:50 BeeNu wrote:
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still not as disgusting as having a "lets police everything" mindset
and for the record, people are much bigger assholes in real life than anything you will ever see on the internet. In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. That may be true, depending on the image, yes. However, we don't have these images, do we? And we aren't the people judging the images. So who are we to lash out at KKY to say that these images are not defamatory? Do we know if these images have not been circulated on the korean web to say "oh look, SlayerS_Eve is a porn star!"? And disregarding ANY point - what is this Comedic use thing? I want to know about it, irregardless of this topic.
Well, I've seen some of them and I've had more "defamatory" things done to pictures of me as part of random joking around.
[edit] Although here whats considered "defamatory" is quite heavily influenced by culture, I will grant.
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On July 19 2011 23:14 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:12 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:
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In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. Your point was if it's funny to someone it's fine. I'm amazed you don't see the massive problems with that ideology. There are none that can actually be solved without creating far worse problems.
Humour at someone elses expense will always cause problems.
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If she's really that tired of all the abuse (as one could be) then the actions she took originally should be justified, regardless of how 'tough' we might think she should or could have been. The reaction to the criticisms, however, was a bad bad mistake in her part. Now she's gonna get slapped down pretty hard for being rude herself.
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On July 19 2011 23:15 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:14 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:12 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:
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Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me.
Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. Your point was if it's funny to someone it's fine. I'm amazed you don't see the massive problems with that ideology. There are none that can actually be solved without creating far worse problems. Humour at someone elses expense will always cause problems.
Then people need to grow up.
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People need to realise the psychological damages done to that poor girl Eve.
She's young and reads all the hate post against her and now against her team.
SlayerS has the right to pick any player they want. Who's gonna complain they picked MMA when he was a nobody ?
Give Eve a year of practice, and then we can talk about if this was a mistake or not.
One the other hand SlayerS Jessica is overreacting, bringing more attention on the flame war. I don't think reporting to the police is gonna be any rightfull or usefull, there'll always gonna be haters and you also have to take in account people with rational thinking and critical posts that might offend but do not represent any form of injustice here.
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On July 19 2011 23:07 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:05 Baarn wrote:On July 19 2011 22:50 Phenny wrote:On July 19 2011 22:47 Semtext wrote:
This just in: You can be held liable for whatever racist, bigot or sexist thing you say in real life to another human being.
What a shame if that could ever happen on our beloved internet. I think it's pretty disgusting, people shouldn't have some kind of right to not be offended. Being offended is a choice, as is ignoring it and moving on with what actually matters. Funny that I read posts like these all the time when topics like this come up but the people trolling don't have to move on and accept how it is. Always the other way around. Why couldn't the trolls just move on accept SlayerS decision? Because they aren't actually ruining anyone else's life, and even if they somehow did you couldn't possibly place even the majority of the blame on them. This is rather different to taking what is essentially friendly conversation, parsing it for offensive comments, and prosecuting everything that fits. Its not a good thing when people are afraid to say what they think because some random idiot might be offended and prosecute.
Oh so harassment should go unpunished because you feel like you're some big man and everyone else should just deal with it? It's a perfectly fine response to contact the police. It's your legal right in korea to report this since they have rules against this bullshit. Keep concocting more stupid scenarios where this could cause an issue for you all you want. It's all in your head dude. All you gotta do is manner up a bit more then it's non issue. Last I checked they never made a thread asking your, mine or anyone else's "opinion" about anything.
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getting ppl who abuse of her sexuality to police is right
but been mad with ppl that flamed bcs of she is in gold league, or even with ppl that says shes overreacting is wrong very wrong
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On July 19 2011 23:16 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:15 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:14 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:12 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:
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So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. Your point was if it's funny to someone it's fine. I'm amazed you don't see the massive problems with that ideology. There are none that can actually be solved without creating far worse problems. Humour at someone elses expense will always cause problems. Then people need to grow up.
Ah the infamous "grow up". Always a good sign when that comes out. Why do you have such a "tough guy" attitude.
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Welcome to the internet?
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On July 19 2011 23:15 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:13 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:11 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:09 JinDesu wrote:On July 19 2011 23:08 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:06 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 23:05 kzn wrote:On July 19 2011 23:01 Numy wrote:On July 19 2011 22:59 BeeNu wrote:On July 19 2011 22:54 Numy wrote:
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In real life you can also get those people in trouble for abuse and defamation. That's what she's doing now. Are you just arguing for the sake of it? There are consequences for your actions. Abuse and defamation are not the same as just insulting someone, try looking up what those words really mean then get back to me. Everybody who enters the spotlight should be prepared to deal with people who are going to hate on them for no good reason, you just gotta learn to deal with it unless you're Kim Jong-il, then you can just try to kill them all. So photoshopping naked images of other people with Eves face on is not defamation or abuse? Uh, no? At least not by default. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Comedic use covers an extremely broad range of things. How does that fall under Comedic use? Really now. I'm rather amazed you even need to be told this. Uh, if someone finds it funny, it pretty much falls under Comedic use. Can you provide me this "Comedic use"? I can't seem to find info on it. I know there's a parody use under copyright infringement, I never heard of "comedic use" I think you're missing the point. The mere fact that an image is created by pshopping a face onto someone else's nude does not automatically mean that the image is defamatory or abusive. That may be true, depending on the image, yes. However, we don't have these images, do we? And we aren't the people judging the images. So who are we to lash out at KKY to say that these images are not defamatory? Do we know if these images have not been circulated on the korean web to say "oh look, SlayerS_Eve is a porn star!"? And disregarding ANY point - what is this Comedic use thing? I want to know about it, irregardless of this topic. Well, I've seen some of them and I've had more "defamatory" things done to pictures of me as part of random joking around. [edit] Although here whats considered "defamatory" is quite heavily influenced by culture, I will grant.
Are the images posted on the web for fun and jokes (and fun and jokes is also influenced by culture), or have some of the pictures been posted with the explicit statement "Oh look, Slayers Eve naked!"
Because whenever something is thrown on the internet like that, it can often come back and bite your (or in this case, her) ass. Wouldn't it be better to fix this now, than in the future if she becomes good and gets more fame?
If she fades into obscurity, then it's all for naught, but at least prevention is better than having to say in the future that this was all the work of random trolls on the web.
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On July 19 2011 23:17 Baarn wrote:
Oh so harassment should go unpunished because you feel like you're some big man and everyone else should just deal with it? It's a perfectly fine response to contact the police. It's your legal right in korea to report this since they have rules against this bullshit. Keep concocting more stupid scenarios where this could cause an issue for you all you want. It's all in your head dude. Last I checked they never made a thread asking your, mine or anyone else's "opinion" about anything.
The fact that you think something is harassment does not constitute proof that its harassment. Plenty of people have claimed harassment as a response to vaguely derogatory jokes, and those claims were rightfully laughed at.
Last I checked, I don't need to be asked to choose to offer my opinion.
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On July 19 2011 23:17 Baarn wrote:
Last I checked they never made a thread asking your, mine or anyone else's "opinion" about anything.
Why would we have a forum board for people to post their opinions in a thread that is about people discussing their opinions. I mean what else is this thread for?
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Fake Eve porn pictures aside, this is probably a huge overreacting from Jessicas because she feels that she has to defend her choice of Eve to become a part of Slayers. Eve may be a sweet girl and everything, but the fact is that she has taken a place another player might have been more worthy of and when people start to attack that choice and question the decision making of Jessica, then Jessica flipps because her pride has been damage.
It feels like she has no real connection with how things work on the Internet and in real life when it comes to bad mouting and trolling. To act up like this when confronted by a troll is like reading a book and take huge offense to what the writer has written and the try to sue him.
This is entirely Jessicas pride that has take damage and she tries to regain it by fighting the trolls. That may be her poorest judgment to date and something that may end up hurting her a lot more and even Slayers in the end.
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On July 19 2011 23:18 JinDesu wrote:
Are the images posted on the web for fun and jokes (and fun and jokes is also influenced by culture), or have some of the pictures been posted with the explicit statement "Oh look, Slayers Eve naked!"
Because whenever something is thrown on the internet like that, it can often come back and bite your (or in this case, her) ass. Wouldn't it be better to fix this now, than in the future if she becomes good and gets more fame?
If she fades into obscurity, then it's all for naught, but at least prevention is better than having to say in the future that this was all the work of random trolls on the web.
Well, I can't read Korean, so I wouldn't know whats being said. From what I can tell they're pretty basic shops, so its not like anyone would actually believe it was Eve.
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On July 19 2011 23:17 Diks wrote:
People need to realise the psychological damages done to that poor girl Eve.
She's young and reads all the hate post against her and now against her team.
SlayerS has the right to pick any player they want. Who's gonna complain they picked MMA when he was a nobody ?
Give Eve a year of practice, and then we can talk about if this was a mistake or not.
One the other hand SlayerS Jessica is overreacting, bringing more attention on the flame war. I don't think reporting to the police is gonna be any rightfull or usefull, there'll always gonna be haters and you also have to take in account people with rational thinking and critical posts that might offend but do not represent any form of injustice here.
People need to realise the psychological damages done to that poor boy Idra.
He's young and reads all the hate post against him and now against his team.
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On July 19 2011 23:20 BeeNu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 23:17 Diks wrote:
People need to realise the psychological damages done to that poor girl Eve.
She's young and reads all the hate post against her and now against her team.
SlayerS has the right to pick any player they want. Who's gonna complain they picked MMA when he was a nobody ?
Give Eve a year of practice, and then we can talk about if this was a mistake or not.
One the other hand SlayerS Jessica is overreacting, bringing more attention on the flame war. I don't think reporting to the police is gonna be any rightfull or usefull, there'll always gonna be haters and you also have to take in account people with rational thinking and critical posts that might offend but do not represent any form of injustice here. People need to realise the psychological damages done to that poor boy Idra. He's young and reads all the hate post against him and now against his team.
Yeah, this poor teenager girl, Idra, who stepped for the first time in competitive SC2 
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