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On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good."
Stephano Code C material ? LOL
Thats... interesting.
On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg.
Im not sure if you're trolling or if you're serious.
Ask every progamer who is the best foreign zerg atm.
I know the answer.
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On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg.
he's not on the level of the top koreans, but he is a clear cut above every other foreigner
no other foreigner is capable of reaching top 15 grandmaster on the korean ladder with around a 75% winrate after only playing a few days
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On February 19 2012 08:01 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:56 Crushinator wrote:On February 19 2012 07:49 Zeon0 wrote:
Happy had amazing ladder stats for several seasons now, but he was never convincing in tournaments. Sometimes I'm asking myself if he just takes ladder more seriously than other players who do better in tournaments I just think Happy has a playstyle and builds that are very good and consistent against inferior players. And when I say playstyle I mean he camps harder than Goody and waits for his opponent to make a mistake. This gives him a ridiculous winrate against people who aren't as good as him, but might not work as well against better players. Happy's builds are safe and yes he does camp, Happy will win late game vs any race in 99.99% of cases if game is even because his micro is 10x better than anyone in game, players who played vs him will know what im talking about. Im sure you will name some player and say "lol X got best micro", im pretty sure Happy would roll him over in micro wars. Happy improved a lot lately, last season in cw's he wasnt used in main line-up often because he was losing and couldnt compete with top players, in 2012 Happy won almost all games he was given to play and yes like whole Empire team Happy is underrated.
Just for the recored, I don't actually disagree with anything you have said. Am pretty excited to be seeing Happy in tournaments soon. Just explaining why his ladder record has always been ridiculously good, especially comapred to his tournament record.
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On February 19 2012 08:24 fineshed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg. he's not on the level of the top koreans, but he is a clear cut above every other foreigner no other foreigner is capable of reaching top 15 grandmaster on the korean ladder with around a 75% winrate after only playing a few days
I'd say sen is definitely better than stephanno, and has accomplished much more. I'm nnot sure if Idra is currently better, but he has definitely accomplished more.
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On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg.
"Theoretically" he would not make it out of code B O_o ?
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On February 19 2012 08:06 cyclone25 wrote:I agree with this too. I think Stephano is very underrated right now. People still argue whether he is the best foreigner player or not (LOL). I believe that he can easily get in a GSL final if he participates this year. Last year the top koreans were just blind countering him (Mvp is a good example), but now he has a more flexible style. DongRaeGu is the favorite to win this GSL, and Stephano beat him before ... Stephano is easily a top 3 SC2 player right now.
no, just no
yes, Stephano beat DRG, but DRG did a silly all in. You cant say Steph>DRG based on that game, that would just be ridiculous
Blizzcup is just very bad for measuring Stephano. He beat DRG in an silly game and he beat HerO on a day where HerO played like shit. Then he failed with an all in vs MC and Mvp blindcountered him.
Saying he is Top3 overall is just wrong, because he didnt had the chance to prove himself vs top Koreans very often (as I said Blizzcup was just bad with the bo1s and all ins on both sides). Its a shame he doesnt play MLG, cause there are much more top notch Koreans than at Assembly.
But taking a almost guaranteed top3 at Assembly is just more profitable than trying do fight the best players in the world, where everyone can lose to everyone
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On February 19 2012 08:30 JohnMatrix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg. "Theoretically" he would not make it out of code B O_o ?
Hahaha, hunts always makes for a good laugh.
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On February 19 2012 08:21 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. How'd he do in the blizzcup?
You can't check it yourself?
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and yes, I agree with BeastyQT: Team Empire is underrated, mainly Happy, Violet, Kas, QT, dont know about Welmu and Aristeo though
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On February 19 2012 08:28 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:24 fineshed wrote:On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg. he's not on the level of the top koreans, but he is a clear cut above every other foreigner no other foreigner is capable of reaching top 15 grandmaster on the korean ladder with around a 75% winrate after only playing a few days I'd say sen is definitely better than stephanno, and has accomplished much more. I'm nnot sure if Idra is currently better, but he has definitely accomplished more.
sen is an extremely good player, but i wouldn't say he's better than stephano since all the top koreans all acknowledge stephano as being the best foreign zerg
whenever i watch stephano's stream, it's mindblowing how much he seems to be not trying at all, while dismantling top european players at the same time
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I'd say one of the most underrated players has to be TheStC no doubt, hes sick good.
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Maru has been a real beast so far this year. He's 12-1 in map scores and has beat plenty of notable players.
He's up against Happy in Code A next, which is gonna be a very tough match, but if he gets past him he's likely to go straight to Code S.
Oh yeah, and he's 14 years old. FOURTEEN!
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On February 19 2012 08:28 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:24 fineshed wrote:On February 19 2012 08:20 hunts wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. Most of his wins were in online tournaments which don't count. He got lucky and beat some koreans (lucky is not by any means a top korean zerg BTW) at a LAN, he hasn't done anything recently and if he were to go to korea he would not make it out of code B. Same goes for almost every other foreigner. But please, stop overrating stephano he really is nothing special, he's not even the best foreigner or the best foreign zerg. he's not on the level of the top koreans, but he is a clear cut above every other foreigner no other foreigner is capable of reaching top 15 grandmaster on the korean ladder with around a 75% winrate after only playing a few days I'd say sen is definitely better than stephanno, and has accomplished much more. I'm nnot sure if Idra is currently better, but he has definitely accomplished more.
So IdrA definitely accomplished more than Stephano. Right.
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IMSeed imo one of the most underrated protoss players.
Always under the radar but when we see him play, he's simply amazing.
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I highly doubt Stephano would get through the initial rounds of Code A.
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On February 19 2012 08:06 cyclone25 wrote:I agree with this too. I think Stephano is very underrated right now. People still argue whether he is the best foreigner player or not (LOL). I believe that he can easily get in a GSL final if he participates this year. Last year the top koreans were just blind countering him (Mvp is a good example), but now he has a more flexible style. DongRaeGu is the favorite to win this GSL, and Stephano beat him before ... Stephano is easily a top 3 SC2 player right now.
And naniwa beat not only Nestea but MVP, are you going to say he is better than both of them too?
Stephano is good? Yes, is he the best foreigner? Maybe, but saying he has the caliber to win an GSL is just being delusional, if anything he might(i said might) take code A, and that's it.
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I'd say Morrow Happy and the entire RoX.KIS team
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On February 19 2012 08:30 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:06 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 07:57 dafunk wrote:
Stephano I agree with this too. I think Stephano is very underrated right now. People still argue whether he is the best foreigner player or not (LOL). I believe that he can easily get in a GSL final if he participates this year. Last year the top koreans were just blind countering him (Mvp is a good example), but now he has a more flexible style. DongRaeGu is the favorite to win this GSL, and Stephano beat him before ... Stephano is easily a top 3 SC2 player right now. no, just no yes, Stephano beat DRG, but DRG did a silly all in. You cant say Steph>DRG based on that game, that would just be ridiculous Blizzcup is just very bad for measuring Stephano. He beat DRG in an silly game and he beat HerO on a day where HerO played like shit. Then he failed with an all in vs MC and Mvp blindcountered him. Saying he is Top3 overall is just wrong, because he didnt had the chance to prove himself vs top Koreans very often (as I said Blizzcup was just bad with the bo1s and all ins on both sides). Its a shame he doesnt play MLG, cause there are much more top notch Koreans than at Assembly. But taking a almost guaranteed top3 at Assembly is just more profitable than trying do fight the best players in the world, where everyone can lose to everyone
He did participate at MLG Orlando and got 18th.
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On February 19 2012 08:57 Titorelli wrote:
I'd say Morrow Happy and the entire RoX.KIS team
I approve of this post.Especially Fraer and Slivko have been playing great lately.
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