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On February 19 2012 08:32 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:21 Talack wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. How'd he do in the blizzcup? You can't check it yourself?
Heh did you really not get his point? 
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On February 19 2012 08:32 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:21 Talack wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. How'd he do in the blizzcup? You can't check it yourself?
I checked it out myself and I was thoroughly impressed with his positive win rate vs the top koreans.
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On February 19 2012 09:01 Forbidden17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:32 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:21 Talack wrote:On February 19 2012 08:18 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:16 hunts wrote:
I'm gonna have to say the oposite of what most of this thread is about. Most foreigners are way overrated and overhyped. You have people like stephano, thorzain, etc... being called "one of the top players in the world" when in reality they wouldn't even cut it in code B. I'm sorry but every foreigner right now, even including the ones who live in korea is overrated and overhyped and is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks they are. Hopefully that changes, I really want to see Idra competing at a code S level again, but as of right now no foreigner is "good." Stephano has a positive win rate vs the top koreans. He also won 4-0 vs Lucky, a top korean zerg, in the final of a big event. You're just hating on Stephano saying that he;s not even Code B, lol. How'd he do in the blizzcup? You can't check it yourself? I checked it out myself and I was thoroughly impressed with his positive win rate vs the top koreans.
I was talking about his overall win rate from all tournaments, not just the results from a random day picked by you ...
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Byun. Hes gonna make a comeback and win the gsl this year
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ZeNEXLife
jk hes actually bad
I think polt is underrated.
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On February 19 2012 09:26 llKenZyll wrote:
ZeNEXLife
jk hes actually bad
I think polt is underrated.
I agree about polt, he seems to have kinda fell off of late but I still feel like people underestimate him.
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Taeja
He cleans up the weekly like a boss and pwns a lot of great koreans, still gets no love  .
And every1 who says Stephano is underrated is out of his mind. IMO he gets just as much fame as he deserves.
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On February 19 2012 09:29 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 09:26 llKenZyll wrote:
ZeNEXLife
jk hes actually bad
I think polt is underrated. I agree about polt, he seems to have kinda fell off of late but I still feel like people underestimate him.
Lets hope he wins ASUS ^_^
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Violet, Incontrol, and TLO. Violet has been getting more exposure lately and im glad. TLO is getting soooo good and if he still goes to korea I expect good things from him. Incontrol is also really good but doesnt get the results he deserves. Hopefully this house starts to get him good results
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On February 19 2012 08:59 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:30 Zeon0 wrote:On February 19 2012 08:06 cyclone25 wrote:On February 19 2012 07:57 dafunk wrote:
Stephano I agree with this too. I think Stephano is very underrated right now. People still argue whether he is the best foreigner player or not (LOL). I believe that he can easily get in a GSL final if he participates this year. Last year the top koreans were just blind countering him (Mvp is a good example), but now he has a more flexible style. DongRaeGu is the favorite to win this GSL, and Stephano beat him before ... Stephano is easily a top 3 SC2 player right now. no, just no yes, Stephano beat DRG, but DRG did a silly all in. You cant say Steph>DRG based on that game, that would just be ridiculous Blizzcup is just very bad for measuring Stephano. He beat DRG in an silly game and he beat HerO on a day where HerO played like shit. Then he failed with an all in vs MC and Mvp blindcountered him. Saying he is Top3 overall is just wrong, because he didnt had the chance to prove himself vs top Koreans very often (as I said Blizzcup was just bad with the bo1s and all ins on both sides). Its a shame he doesnt play MLG, cause there are much more top notch Koreans than at Assembly. But taking a almost guaranteed top3 at Assembly is just more profitable than trying do fight the best players in the world, where everyone can lose to everyone He did participate at MLG Orlando and got 18th.
playing the open bracket, losing there to TheSTC and then in Championship Bracket to Boxer. I dont think MLG Open Bracket is a good instrument to measure a player, if I remember correctly Stephano himself said he was incredibly tired.
I want to see Stephano in a 'normal' tournament setting (bo3 group phase or bo3 bracket with a normal amount of games) vs top Koreans. I think MLG next week would be that, sadly Stephano wants to own some European Noobs xD
On February 19 2012 09:29 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 09:26 llKenZyll wrote:
ZeNEXLife
jk hes actually bad
I think polt is underrated. I agree about polt, he seems to have kinda fell off of late but I still feel like people underestimate him.
going from Code S to Code B is kinda bad, even with the incredible players in GSL.
if he can come back to Code A people will think higher of him, but I personally think he had a good run in the Super Tournament and I dont think he is as good as other Korean Terrans like Mvp, MMA or others
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Overrated
Polt
Naama
SjoW
Choya
InCa
XiGua
Tassadar
Underrated
Keen
Heart
Sheth
sC
Feast
KiWiKaKi
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I agree with most of them, but I cant say anything about Keen and Heart, havent seen much games of them. And I dont wanna comment on sC cause i dont think he is that good (imo he is a cheesy ***) but he had serious medical issuses which could easily be the reason for his bad results.
And I dont know about Kiwikaki. He is creative, but is he really good?^^
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On February 19 2012 09:45 Zeon0 wrote:
I agree with most of them, but I cant say anything about Keen and Heart, havent seen much games of them. And I dont wanna comment on sC cause i dont think he is that good (imo he is a cheesy ***) but he had serious medical issuses which could easily be the reason for his bad results.
And I dont know about Kiwikaki. He is creative, but is he really good?^^
you dont think Keen is underrated? his super underrated.. sC is cheesy? hahah no way you are crazy if he was healthy and no injuries i would bet my life he would win a GSL.. thats the thing people think KiWiKaKi is just creative but he takes games off insanely good players i just dont think he dedicates his whole time into SC2 thats why you dont see much results from him
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On February 19 2012 09:43 naux wrote:
Overrated
Polt
Naama
SjoW
Choya
InCa
XiGua
Tassadar
Underrated
Keen
Heart
Sheth
sC
Feast
KiWiKaKi
I don't think Sheth is underrated. He's always been at the same level since the start if SC2. I didn;t saw him improving a lot lately.
Kiwikaki was inactive for a while, not sure how much he practices now. His results were very poor, but he can do better than that.
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HasHe, Dragon, Clide, and GhostKingPrime. all underrated in my eyes. I believe all 3 could be amazing players. Especially Clide. For some reason though, ever since he went to SlayerS he has gotten worse in my eyes. He recently got knocked out of Code A. Hopefully he will post better results. HasHe and Dragon would both be great if they could be in a team house and practice with other good players 24/7 instead of being forced to ladder to practice. GKP will be doing fine imo when he comes back as Prime is a good team and they have great players that he can practice with. Maybe he could even help MKP with his TvT O.o
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On February 19 2012 09:43 naux wrote:
Overrated
Polt
On February 19 2012 09:26 llKenZyll wrote:
ZeNEXLife
jk hes actually bad
I think polt is underrated.
We seem to be at an impass.
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