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Dominican Republic913 Posts
On July 18 2011 08:59 SentinelSC2 wrote:
SupermanSG stream appears as blackcitadel on team liquid (he doesn't use the blackcitadel account, that's Rainbow) and he played under accounts such as NagaSeaWitch, and Truism on NA and EU. His micro is probably the best out of any protoss I've ever seen, and he's not even featured on here TT
yeah and u have player being featured like desrow.... O_O
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Underated T: Sjow, Strelok, Brat_Ok
Underated P: NagaSeaWitch, Gatored, inka, Socke, TTone, Minigun, Xiaot
Underated Z: Spanishiwa, Dimaga,
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On July 18 2011 09:46 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 09:40 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 18 2011 09:23 soul5 wrote:On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/showgraph.php?liquibet=68) The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated. IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient. That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor. Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows. How is that hype if you post good results? Because people are hyping him as a Code S winner which he's not. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much compared to GSL. It wasn't him winning HSC that influenced the poll it was him beating MC (the player who he is against in the poll) during HSC.
It's still just overrating Huk. TOP knocked Nestea out of the last GSL, but who would you bet to win if they played again? And for what it's worth TOP has a much better track record than Huk does.
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On July 18 2011 00:34 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 00:32 alepov wrote:
all those code a/b and gstl kids, sage hack etc lol what? They're overrated and overhyped if anything. People keep saying DRG is one of top 3 players in the world. I mean come on qualify for gsl first and beat people in something other than bo1s before saying that.
Lol he beat SC in a bo5 for that 3d tournament. Not to mention all the 3-kills he's had in the teamleague. I wouldn't call that overrated.
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Hashe is a great Terran. He's got a pretty rad TvP.
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I think Destiny doesn't get the credit he deserves in a lot of cases. None besides that in the western scene really jump out to me. In Korea I think Sage will go places, and also Coca who doesn't get talked about all that much.
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On July 18 2011 01:40 00Visor wrote:
EU: Stephano, DeathAngel
NA: NamhciR, Major
KR: TSL_Smart, sCfou
im sorry but, i have to disagree with you on nam.. the guy just cheeses all game long. Ye he can take wins. but will he ever be able to win a series match vs a pro? unlikely.
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EGMachine, dude. People don't give that guy enough respect
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I would say it's Ganzi. From what I see, SlayerS clearly see his potential. More like he is #2 in SlayerS and since MMA is already very popular they are showing off Ganzi next. However, we have yet to see him perform that will make him standout. But, I'm sure Ganzi is very skilled. 
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@ Olinim
Apologies, I didn't realise it was directed specifically at his not reaching the finals in that one tournament, the wording is a little ambiguous. You are correct.
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On July 18 2011 09:50 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 09:46 d(O.o)a wrote:On July 18 2011 09:40 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 18 2011 09:23 soul5 wrote:On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is: The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated. IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient. That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor. Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows. How is that hype if you post good results? Because people are hyping him as a Code S winner which he's not. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much compared to GSL. It wasn't him winning HSC that influenced the poll it was him beating MC (the player who he is against in the poll) during HSC. It's still just overrating Huk. TOP knocked Nestea out of the last GSL, but who would you bet to win if they played again? And for what it's worth TOP has a much better track record than Huk does.
Did you watch HSC? Huk beat Naniwa and MC, MC lost to Naniwa and Huk. Huk said he beats MC more in practice but MC has better nerves/more experience.
Your comparison with TOP and nestea is completely irrelevant if TOP and Nestea were practice partners and TOP said he beats nestea more in practice AND nestea had just shown poor results in the matchup against worse players than TOP than yes I would vote for TOP. (Although it's also not a mirror matchup which does change things somewhat.)
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mkegygm or somethig, xsix z
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Demuslim. I think he's fantastic, and once he is back up to speed from coming off of his injury, I think he is going to be one of the best foreign Terrans around.
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I think Morrow is underrated. Everytime I see him play in tournaments, he makes the opponent look like noobs.
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Whenever someone has asked me this, my initial response is Sen and Mondragon. Sen has been starting to perform better and is looking very strong as of late, so I am not sure if he is underrated anymore.
Mondragon is a player that I believe has the skill to become top3 zerg in the world, but just does not put it all together. Also, we all love White-Ra and root for him, but I think he is better than he or his results would let anymore know. I think if he focused more he would be outstanding instead of just really good.
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On July 18 2011 09:38 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is: The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated. IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient. That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor. Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows. There's a difference between hype and results, that wasn't people voting based on "oh huk is so good he'll definitely beat mc" it was "oh huk beat mc in their most recent series, he can do it again"
What the... why do you seem to think that I have something *other* than complete respect for HuK? I reiterate, hype can be merited. Flash is hyped as hell. He's also an effing bonjwa. In his case, hype is merited.
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Sangho. He's really getting better these days, but there are just too many good tosses in the scene right now for him to get the attention he deserves.
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On July 18 2011 10:03 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 09:50 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 18 2011 09:46 d(O.o)a wrote:On July 18 2011 09:40 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 18 2011 09:23 soul5 wrote:On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is: The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated. IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient. That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor. Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows. How is that hype if you post good results? Because people are hyping him as a Code S winner which he's not. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much compared to GSL. It wasn't him winning HSC that influenced the poll it was him beating MC (the player who he is against in the poll) during HSC. It's still just overrating Huk. TOP knocked Nestea out of the last GSL, but who would you bet to win if they played again? And for what it's worth TOP has a much better track record than Huk does. Did you watch HSC? Huk beat Naniwa and MC, MC lost to Naniwa and Huk. Huk said he beats MC more in practice but MC has better nerves/more experience.
Huk says a lot of things (top 3 control, Moon is terrible etc..). I don't care if Huk won a one off PvP versus MC when MC was sick (not that PvP isn't random enough so that anyone can win anyway), MC is a fucking god at PvP, his record is second to none.
If Goody played Nestea who would you predict to win? If Destiny played Bomber? If MVP played Zenio.
Everyone knows that in Sc2 anyone can beat anyone in a one off game, that doesn't make them better or make them future favourites in all match ups, that is, unless you're dumb and think the last guy to beat the best player is the new best player ad infinitum. Which seems to be the mentality of a lot of people.
Your comparison with TOP and nestea is completely irrelevant if TOP and Nestea were practice partners and TOP said he beats nestea more in practice AND nestea had just shown poor results in the matchup against worse players than TOP than yes I would vote for TOP. (Although it's also not a mirror matchup which does change things somewhat.)
MC hadn't shown poor PvP. He lost versus Naniwa and Alicia. But at the same time he won the Stars War tournament on the back of PvP, qualified through the NASL playoffs on the back of PvP and generally has an insane record in PvP.
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On July 18 2011 10:08 TheAmazombie wrote:
Whenever someone has asked me this, my initial response is Sen and Mondragon. Sen has been starting to perform better and is looking very strong as of late, so I am not sure if he is underrated anymore.
Mondragon is a player that I believe has the skill to become top3 zerg in the world, but just does not put it all together. Also, we all love White-Ra and root for him, but I think he is better than he or his results would let anymore know. I think if he focused more he would be outstanding instead of just really good.
White Ra and Mongdragon are both examples of guys who were/are good in early Sc2 because they were carried by Brood War experience, but they just don't practice enough to continue to compete in Sc2 now that the hungry new blood like Thorzain, Naniwa, Morrow, Sase etc.. are practice twice as much as them.
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EPT
