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TerraTron
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada137 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:20:37
July 18 2011 00:20 GMT
#401
vVvTitan is the most underrated player imo, every time I see his stream and whatnot he plays well and gives interesting commentary, definately should be winning some tournys soon I hope
andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:23:21
July 18 2011 00:20 GMT
#402
On July 18 2011 09:00 Tiazi wrote:
DRG

'nuff said


How on Earth is DRG underrated? Let's see, he started at $8 in fantasy league and has returned a whopping 17 points. ...Yeah.
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 18 2011 00:20 GMT
#403
On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor.


Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
soul5
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany33 Posts
July 18 2011 00:23 GMT
#404
On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor.


Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows.



How is that hype if you post good results?
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
July 18 2011 00:23 GMT
#405
I would say destiny is unappreciated. But at the same time some of his fans over-hype him. So I would say that destiny is under and over hyped. I think he deserves more respect in the pro community though.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:29:01
July 18 2011 00:25 GMT
#406
EU:Nerchio, Lalush, Beastyqt, Happy, Strelok, Stephano, xLord, SaSe(Kinda, he's getting attention now).
NA: Major, Cruncher(They hate him due to matches on TSL3 vs Idra, but he's really good now).
KR: oGsSTC, Bomber(Yeah, this guy doesn't get enough credit. IMO, he's world's top now).
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:27:45
July 18 2011 00:26 GMT
#407
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


Sen has lasted longer than Idra at 3 consecutive tournaments (ones they both participated in)
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 18 2011 00:28 GMT
#408
If we're talking about how the general TL community feels (insofar as looking at posts), it HAS to be sC. I'm pretty sure if we just intuitively look at the "skill vs. hype" ratio, the guy definitely takes the cake as the most underrated.

I'm sure there are plenty of Code B guys deserving of more hype than even sC, but insofar as known players go, he's pretty much it.

The funny thing is, on Chinese discussion boards, netizens hype sC on pretty much the same level as MKP. So, it's all just a matter of different community perspectives.
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:29:19
July 18 2011 00:28 GMT
#409
On July 18 2011 09:23 soul5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor.


Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows.



How is that hype if you post good results?

Why do you think that hype is a bad thing? MC is hyped. NesTea is hyped. Bomber is hyped.

All of them are hyped. They're also really really freaking good. Hype can be merited, as is the case with HuK.

On July 18 2011 09:26 red4ce wrote:
Sen has lasted longer than Idra at 3 consecutive tournaments (ones they both participated in)


Point taken.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
July 18 2011 00:29 GMT
#410
I will have to go with Grubby and Moon. They are underrated, but they also have so much potential to really excel, as evidenced by their long and successful history in WC3.
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
July 18 2011 00:33 GMT
#411
Nerchio for sure, the guy plays such a good solid style of zerg in my opinion. If we were a few weeks back I would've said DongRaeGu as well but he attracted a lot of attention lately
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:35:41
July 18 2011 00:33 GMT
#412
IMHappy and IMYoda. People will never expect it as they sweep code S and code A respectively next season. Unless IMYonghwa finally qualifies in which case Yoda has no chance :D

Also, every major Empire player except for Kas.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
July 18 2011 00:38 GMT
#413
On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor.


Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows.


There's a difference between hype and results, that wasn't people voting based on "oh huk is so good he'll definitely beat mc" it was "oh huk beat mc in their most recent series, he can do it again"
Hi.
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
July 18 2011 00:39 GMT
#414
I can't believe i don't see Bomber;s name being mentioned more, I think he's absolutely World #1 Terran right now and would make finals in every single foreigner tournament he chose to enter. I am very, very sad that we won't see him at MLG Anaheim, but he's going to prove my point by winning GSL instead (go Huk!).
Micro your Macro
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 18 2011 00:39 GMT
#415
On July 18 2011 09:39 CookieMaker wrote:
I can't believe i don't see Bomber;s name being mentioned more, I think he's absolutely World #1 Terran right now and would make finals in every single foreigner tournament he chose to enter. I am very, very sad that we won't see him at MLG Anaheim, but he's going to prove my point by winning GSL instead (go Huk!).

He just went to dreamhack and lost...:/
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 18 2011 00:40 GMT
#416
On July 18 2011 09:23 soul5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor.


Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows.



How is that hype if you post good results?


Because people are hyping him as a Code S winner which he's not. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much compared to GSL.
Noradrenaline
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:58:12
July 18 2011 00:42 GMT
#417
Underrated: Chinese. xiaOt, LoveTT, probably infi though I've yet to see him play (his ladder results are very strong and he's one of the greatest wc3 players of all time)

SaSe, Stephano, Hasuobs.

I'm on the fence about PuMa. I'm pretty much prepared to say he's the best terran in the world, but most people would (reasonably) demand more evidence in results rather than simply seeing and interpreting his play. I guess it remains to be seen, but for myself I think it will only take him a few seasons once he reaches code S (a foregone conclusion in my eyes) to win a GSL title.

Vastly overrated: Idra*, Tyler, Grubby.
Merely overrated: Rainbow, Trickster, aLive

*As far as he goes against the foreigner community, I would easily be comfortable in saying Huk, Sen, Naniwa, and Thorzain are significantly better players. Furthermore there are others trailing not so far behind, yet of the above only Huk has had the opportunity of extended training and activity in Korea, spanning back to his time in broodwar. Since day 1 Idra has been hyped exceedingly, yet iirc his single best result there was a single round of 16 in GSL finish. Jinro achieved 2x top 4 finishes in a much shorter span of time. Idra deserves to be held to a higher standard, yet he has never delivered commensurate results.
I am Legion, for We are Many
Noradrenaline
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia41 Posts
July 18 2011 00:45 GMT
#418
[QUOTE]On July 18 2011 09:39 Olinim wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 18 2011 09:39 CookieMaker wrote:
He just went to dreamhack and lost...:/[/QUOTE]

So did MC and a lot of other top players? This seems very specious reasoning, does EVERY tournament a player doesn't win count against their skill?

FWIW I consider bomber #2 terran right now.
I am Legion, for We are Many
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
July 18 2011 00:46 GMT
#419
On July 18 2011 09:40 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 09:23 soul5 wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:20 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:18 d(O.o)a wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:17 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 18 2011 09:09 soul5 wrote:
Overrated Idra
Underrated HuK


I don't think HuK's under-rated. He's really hyped and the community thinks *very* highly of them... well, here's the best demonstration of how thoroughly hyped HuK is:

[image loading]

The other side of the HuKoin is the fact that he's really really effing good and they hype's merited. Also correct. But he's not significantly under-rated.

IdrA as overrated? Hm. Possibly. He's almost universally the last foreign Zerg left in most tournaments. But if one's going to call IdrA over-rated, one needs to call the *entire* foreign scene over-rated. Because the hype that foreign players get relative to the hype that equally-skilled Korean players get is not equal. Which is an argument for IdrA's overrated-ness that I find salient.


That poll was slightly altered by the homestory cup where Huk beat MC, if not for that it would've been heavily in MC's favor.


Precisely. Since HSC, HuK has been hyped like no other foreigner. That's what the poll shows.



How is that hype if you post good results?


Because people are hyping him as a Code S winner which he's not. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much compared to GSL.


It wasn't him winning HSC that influenced the poll it was him beating MC (the player who he is against in the poll) during HSC.
Hi.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 00:47:26
July 18 2011 00:46 GMT
#420
@ nora
Did you read that guy's post? He said "make the finals in every single foreigner tournament he chose to enter."
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