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On July 17 2011 06:31 Praeses wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 06:27 eshlow wrote:On July 17 2011 06:02 Phenrei wrote:On July 17 2011 05:59 SafeAsCheese wrote:
How much of poker would you guys say is luck?
The US considers it "gambling", yet someone has won this championship two times, so obviously SKILL is the contributing factor here. But isn't luck of the draw a small part of it as well, similar to Starcraft where you might scout properly yet skill miss something important due to bad luck?
Would you say it's 95% skill 5% luck, or is luck more important? I'll repeat Day9's joke about this: "You don't go in for the final attack against your opponent to see they suddenly have a dozen broodlords and all you can say is 'That's Starcraft!' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" Not even a good analogy. It's like finding out your opponent had a hidden expansion the whole time and they crush your attack Or you attack and you don't see them dropping your min lines while flanking your main army and get demolished. Not really, b/c until you get rivered in poker, you are actually that far ahead. If they have a hidden base or something, you're not really ahead at all. Poker takes skill, but luck has a far larger role in it than in starcraft. For example, I could never beat MC, but even against Doyle Brunson I could knock him out on a 2 outer.
Yeah really.
There are examples of people being super far ahead and losing it (e.g. Sen vs MC game 4).
I would agree that there is a greater amount of luck in poker but this quote is just foolishness:
"You don't go in for the final attack against your opponent to see they suddenly have a dozen broodlords and all you can say is 'That's Starcraft!' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
Also, because SC2 (and moreso bw) actually takes mechanical abilities to play whereas poker doesn't require any physical ability to play there's obviously a greater gradient there.
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Everyones second favorite from last night, Satoshi Isomae is busted out apparently
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Woot!! WSOP shows Kiwi having 870k chips!
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McNiff looks like Biff from Back to the Future.
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On July 17 2011 07:44 soul5 wrote:
Woot!! WSOP shows Kiwi having 870k chips!
Ow SNAP, Gj Kiwi
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 17 2011 07:26 Shinobi1982 wrote:![[image loading]](http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5944544646_84f5648d2e.jpg) Bryan Devonshire's gravity defying stack. lol wth :D
A castle like that is alot easier to make then it looks especially when you use and item(mug) like that next to the castle and just removes it when your done
Here is a big one (not at this event thought):
![[image loading]](http://www.andybloch.com/album/BARGE2000/PANA0055.JPG)
![[image loading]](http://www.jax184.com/pictures/humor/2005-06-07-DanTasse-PokerChipsAlone.jpg)
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On July 17 2011 07:44 soul5 wrote:
Woot!! WSOP shows Kiwi having 870k chips!
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Heads-up between Negreanu and McNiff atm!
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On July 17 2011 07:46 MrSexington wrote:
Who is McNiff?
Liquidpoker player, FrinkX
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870k right now is just above average so don't get ur hopes up too much
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On July 17 2011 07:44 soul5 wrote:
Woot!! WSOP shows Kiwi having 870k chips!
Source? The WSOP site and pokernews both still have him at 460k.
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Wow, insane fucking read by Negreanu
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Daniel is so funny. I like him.
On July 17 2011 07:50 FMonk wrote:Source? The WSOP site and pokernews both still have him at 460k.
Yeah, I can't find it either. Still says 460k for me aswell.
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On July 17 2011 07:50 spacer wrote:
870k right now is just above average so don't get ur hopes up too much
Above average is always very good.
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I don't understand how poker players can read their opponent's hands like that, it is kinda insane :O
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On July 17 2011 07:50 spacer wrote:
870k right now is just above average so don't get ur hopes up too much
And average is nearly irrelevant, median says a lot more given the stacks repartition
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You guys need to take some statistics courses lol, in events like these, the average stack is MUCH lower than the median stack.
Being at chip average will usually put you in the top 35-40% of chips, since its so heavily top skewed. Being above average is in a commanding position when you're up against some of the non-pro players and worse level players at this point.
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