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On July 15 2011 22:15 krisss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 21:53 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:50 HuskyGoalie wrote:On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results. SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world. I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely. I can't judge the HeatoN/Potti thingy as I wasn't in SK back then and don't really know about it, but after seeing the Gux and Delpan story I sometimes doubt that some counter-strike players have ever read their contracts. Just my honest thoughts though. I'm just a person that doesn't like if people talk about something they don't really know about. Don't take it personal! It counts for the oGs/SK deal as well.  While it could very well happen that wrong turns were made by the players aswell, i feel like SK has a responsibility as a big organization to explain themselves in these kind of situations. If not, then they better be ready to take the heat coming their way. I'm no taking it personally at all, and i understand that you would want to side with SK if you really have gotten your salaries/prize money or whatever it may be according to the contract. You seem like a person whos bringing up undigested stuff everytime you see ur ex girlfriends?  IMHO if u want an explanation from them, just ask them, this here is not the right place to expect something like this.. I mean SK surely did not hire Nada and MC to NOT fullful their contract and get bad RP. So we could just skip those stale news, and discuss about the Nada MC thing.
I honestly don't usually hate on anything the way i'm doing right now, but SK-Gaming has had so many horror stories, and so few explanations as to why the things that happened, really did happen. That's why i'm coming off as very arrogant.
And some of the things i've been talking about regarding not honoring contracts date all the way back to 2003-2004. It's not like these questions have not been asked before. They were just not answered. Atleast not publicly.
And i have been discussing the MC/NaDa thing, if you read my comments you will see that. I just don't like the whole deal from SK's side. For obvious reasons.
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On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results. SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world. I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely.
As much as I love those players, it is well known that there was plenty of friction and gray areas between them and SK over the years that have lead to a lot of rumors spreading hurtful for both sides.
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Fully agree with ineq :o SK is a shady organization. The stories are there for a reason, be it tricky contracts, be it full truth..
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Good news tbh. Think sc2 needs things like this to be global for real.
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WOW! This is big! SK atlast making a comeback on our beloved starcraft scene with 2 of my favourite players! GO SK,MC and NaDa!
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This looks lika a rather desperate move by SK. Even though MC is like a guarantee for top 3 finishes those triumphs will be still attributed to Ogs as SK has nothing to do with the day to day stuff.
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On July 15 2011 22:26 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results. SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world. I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely. As much as I love those players, it is well known that there was plenty of friction and gray areas between them and SK over the years that have lead to a lot of rumors spreading hurtful for both sides.
Why was there friction though? Obviously friction can come from alot of different things, but i don't see why the players in question would state themselves that they were owed money if they really were not. Unless SK had the worst possible luck and found 3 of the dumbest bigtime liars. Which i would not think of someone like HeatoN, who to this day still is working in eSports and just a few months ago talked to Fragbite.se about the salary and prizemoney issues in an interview.
If it was all lies and rumors i feel like SK should have proven so by now. Although i must say that they seem to have shaped up greatly on that part, because of the crap they have gotten.
That does not take away from the fact that i find this deal with oGs really cheap and dirty.
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"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken" - Tyler Durden
I really dont see what SK gaming has to gain from this. They are borrowing players that has loyalties elsewhere. Its a publicity stunt that does not make a team, doesnt give backbone, has no investment towards the future. I mean if MC and Nada does well i think its a lot easier for them to get sponsors and such but its just a fad. Once they decide to leave, SK gaming will die again. And i really dont see SK gaming building up a mercenary team of pro koreans that can participate in team leagues or have a base outside of korea.
Also, Sk has always seemed like a shady and greedy team to me. Lets see what happens with the koreans.
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Well this move is interesting, didn't think SK would be doing this kind of stuff specially with their SC2 situation prior to this move. Anyway congrats to all parties.
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that's so sick...really happy that a player like MC has been able to turn his career around since BW.
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sk.cs just took dreamhack gold over the best team in the world. I dont think they will be dieing anytime soon.
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On July 15 2011 22:41 stratmatt wrote:
sk.cs just took dreamhack gold over the best team in the world. I dont think they will be dieing anytime soon.
Just to clarify, i was referring to sc2 team, which is the future unless all the prophets of e-Sports are mistaken.
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On July 15 2011 22:36 ineq wrote:
That does not take away from the fact that i find this deal with oGs really cheap and dirty.
Please, explain why you find it cheap and dirty.
1. oGs obviously feel that their presence should be in Korea and not abroad.
2. NaDa and MC have played (or wanted to play) in foreigner tournaments.
3. The costs of travel, lodgings, food, translators is a heavy price to pay for korean teams
That a foreigner team is (seemingly, at least) willing to should the financal burden is a positive thing, at least until korean teams find it as important to have a presence the international scene and not just GSL.
Is it cheap? It is probably going to cost SK a great deal. What do they get in return? Exposure and what little prize money the contract specifies when the players and oGs has gotten their share (perhaps they only get their expenses covered if the players win and nothing if the players lose, so that they never get any financial gains)
Is it dirty? I wouldn't now, dirty as in a "quick and dirty"-solution, maybe, as they wont have their own players.
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lol SK added Nada and MC to their team roster: http://www.sk-gaming.com/players/
in the profiles they made it says "former teams oGs"
Seriously SK, nobody considers these players yours. you've just become their airfare bitch
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On July 15 2011 22:36 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 22:26 stratmatt wrote:On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results. SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world. I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely. As much as I love those players, it is well known that there was plenty of friction and gray areas between them and SK over the years that have lead to a lot of rumors spreading hurtful for both sides. Why was there friction though? Obviously friction can come from alot of different things, but i don't see why the players in question would state themselves that they were owed money if they really were not. Unless SK had the worst possible luck and found 3 of the dumbest bigtime liars. Which i would not think of someone like HeatoN, who to this day still is working in eSports and just a few months ago talked to Fragbite.se about the salary and prizemoney issues in an interview. If it was all lies and rumors i feel like SK should have proven so by now. Although i must say that they seem to have shaped up greatly on that part, because of the crap they have gotten. That does not take away from the fact that i find this deal with oGs really cheap and dirty.
Thanks for your respect in the other post first of all. The question that always comes in my mind when reading this... why didn't they take legal proceedings. If you are owed money it's a normal thing to do imo. Both sides even signed a contract where should be stated everything about the money. As I have said I have no idea about these cases, but thats always a weird question that comes into my head. SK did the same thing vs. a sponsor this year and as far as I know some other players that are owed money are currently infront of court as well. eSports has turned into serious business.
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Wait, what?
I don't get this at all, but good to see NaDa & MC in more foreign tournaments (at least NaDa)
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On July 15 2011 22:46 StatorFlux wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 22:36 ineq wrote:
That does not take away from the fact that i find this deal with oGs really cheap and dirty. Please, explain why you find it cheap and dirty. 1. oGs obviously feel that their presence should be in Korea and not abroad. 2. NaDa and MC have played (or wanted to play) in foreigner tournaments. 3. The costs of travel, lodgings, food, translators is a heavy price to pay for korean teams That a foreigner team is (seemingly, at least) willing to should the financal burden is a positive thing, at least until korean teams find it as important to have a presence the international scene and not just GSL. Is it cheap? It is probably going to cost SK a great deal. What do they get in return? Exposure and what little prize money the contract specifies when the players and oGs has gotten their share (perhaps they only get their expenses covered if the players win and nothing if the players lose, so that they never get any financial gains) Is it dirty? I wouldn't now, dirty as in a "quick and dirty"-solution, maybe, as they wont have their own players.
If you had read my earlier comments you would understand what i mean. 
What i've been saying that SK are trying to cut corners by claiming MC & NaDa as a part of their professional team, which i think most of us would agree that they are not.
They act as a personal sponsors, much like Stride does for Liquid`Tyler.
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Business is business- and this was a great business decision.
I hope the best for all parties included in the deal.
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On July 15 2011 22:48 LastDance wrote:lol SK added Nada and MC to their team roster: http://www.sk-gaming.com/players/in the profiles they made it says "former teams oGs" Seriously SK, nobody considers these players yours. you've just become their airfare bitch
as I wrote earlier, SK also mentions SK as former team of all their players... it seems to show current and former teams, which is bad design but not evil I guess.
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Haha. This is pretty funny.
Progaming team sponsoring another progaming team.
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