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Baerinho
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany257 Posts
July 15 2011 12:47 GMT
#321
While it might be a nice move for esports, the foreigner scene, it soehow feels weird.

Like they play for Bayern Munich in the domestic league, have a joinend team of Bayern and Borussia Dortmund play int he domestic Cup, but when it comes to championsleague, they play for Barcelona...

Just feels weird, wrong to me, even tho i think it might be something positive
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
July 15 2011 12:49 GMT
#322
On July 15 2011 21:42 Kolapz wrote:
Haters gonna hate. None of you have any idea how the deal will work out, yet you feel entitled to comment on it in a negative way. Especially this ineq guy that's just spouting ignorant nonsense for whatever reason.


I generally don't like ignorant hate towards anything, but after seeing what you (SK) have done to some of my absolute favorite players from back in the day, and on top of that making a deal with oGs, that to the public looks really stupid, i can't really do anything but criticize what is going on.

If you don't want the hate, explain yourselves, any rational beeing will se that the information provided to the public looks like a cheap way to exposure.
HerO - iNcontroL - DeMusliM - TaeJa - JaeDong
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
July 15 2011 12:49 GMT
#323
dont give a shit about SK gaming and will only root for the players not the team itself. Imo, that's a lame way to get players on your team.
@ggmonx
HuskyGoalie
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany42 Posts
July 15 2011 12:50 GMT
#324
On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results.


SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world.


I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S


The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely.


I can't judge the HeatoN/Potti thingy as I wasn't in SK back then and don't really know about it, but after seeing the Gux and Delpan story I sometimes doubt that some counter-strike players have ever read their contracts. Just my honest thoughts though. I'm just a person that doesn't like if people talk about something they don't really know about. Don't take it personal! It counts for the oGs/SK deal as well.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 15 2011 12:50 GMT
#325
On July 15 2011 21:26 jellyjello wrote:
From reading playxp, it sounds like this is not a team sponsorship but rather individual sponsorships to Nada and MC. It doesn't look like oGs is getting paid from this deal, just that SK will provide logistics in tournaments that they choose. oGs is still responsible for the cost in other foriegn tournaments in which any of these two players are invited to participate (in other words, oGs could possibly have to pay their way in tourneys that SK has no interest).

I'm just curious how the player's schedule is going to work out. MC knows he cannot fall off the radar in GSL and will focus on getting back into the shape. Nada hasn't finished with his school and his schedule may not always work out for international tourneys. But mostly, how much of player ownership does SK have with these two players? This could possibly lead to an ugly lawsuit if the deal was half ass written and done.

Again, probably best to wait for more details to come out but it's always fun to speculate on things.


If this is true the whole deal only gets more bizzare. oGs must be involved, or they have a very weak contract with their players.

I can't belive that Koreans winning outside of Korea is something totally ignored in Korea, so oGs and their sponsors are loosing some exposure that SK must compensate for. If this is a pure sponsor deal, with a added SK logo on the oGs shirt, I don't see where SK and their sponsors are getting their ROI. In the press release it sounds like MC and Nada will be wearing SK outfits outside of Korea.

I guess it is up to Jinro to represent the oGs jacket outside of Korea now.
I am not young enough to know everything.
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
July 15 2011 12:53 GMT
#326
On July 15 2011 21:50 HuskyGoalie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results.


SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world.


I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S


The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely.


I can't judge the HeatoN/Potti thingy as I wasn't in SK back then and don't really know about it, but after seeing the Gux and Delpan story I sometimes doubt that some counter-strike players have ever read their contracts. Just my honest thoughts though. I'm just a person that doesn't like if people talk about something they don't really know about. Don't take it personal! It counts for the oGs/SK deal as well.


While it could very well happen that wrong turns were made by the players aswell, i feel like SK has a responsibility as a big organization to explain themselves in these kind of situations. If not, then they better be ready to take the heat coming their way. I'm no taking it personally at all, and i understand that you would want to side with SK if you really have gotten your salaries/prize money or whatever it may be according to the contract.
HerO - iNcontroL - DeMusliM - TaeJa - JaeDong
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 15 2011 13:00 GMT
#327
Wow, SK getting into SC2 and right away taking two most baller players on the planet, that's huge.
HuskyGoalie
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany42 Posts
July 15 2011 13:03 GMT
#328
On July 15 2011 21:53 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 21:50 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results.


SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world.


I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S


The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely.


I can't judge the HeatoN/Potti thingy as I wasn't in SK back then and don't really know about it, but after seeing the Gux and Delpan story I sometimes doubt that some counter-strike players have ever read their contracts. Just my honest thoughts though. I'm just a person that doesn't like if people talk about something they don't really know about. Don't take it personal! It counts for the oGs/SK deal as well.


While it could very well happen that wrong turns were made by the players aswell, i feel like SK has a responsibility as a big organization to explain themselves in these kind of situations. If not, then they better be ready to take the heat coming their way. I'm no taking it personally at all, and i understand that you would want to side with SK if you really have gotten your salaries/prize money or whatever it may be according to the contract.


I agree to the explanation thing. That could have been better indeed, but that's something I am not responsible for. As far as I have experienced SK has been the best organisation for me. It's hard to get accepted in eSports as a racing game player, but SK has helped and fully supports it. And I think MC and NaDa are the last players you wanna ever fool. Therefore I expect that they will get all the support they need and I hope that I can have the chance to meet them at Gamescom as my teammates.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
July 15 2011 13:04 GMT
#329
Kind of wondering if this might end up with oGs being renamed SK in the long run, SK is to the CS community what TL is to the SC2 community and its a big time company.
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
July 15 2011 13:05 GMT
#330
WOW! :D
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
Flwz
Profile Joined December 2010
Ireland19 Posts
July 15 2011 13:06 GMT
#331
Well, I do not like it either, and let's hope this will fail or as TT1 said (maybe as a joke) it may become near impossible for foreigners to make it at all and they might as well host MLG and Dreamhack directly in Korea.

I think SK should have sponsored an already existing team (if Korea if they so desired) or anywhere else and renamed them to SK, as Complexity did (twice).

Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
July 15 2011 13:06 GMT
#332
As a big fan of everything oGs, I don't really get it? MC and Nada could both already participate in as many tournaments outside of korea as they cared to join, but now when they win said tournaments some random ass other team gets the credit for their win even though oGs is providing these players with training facilities, practice partners, and coaching? Bullshit
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
July 15 2011 13:08 GMT
#333
On July 15 2011 22:04 Krogan wrote:
Kind of wondering if this might end up with oGs being renamed SK in the long run, SK is to the CS community what TL is to the SC2 community and its a big time company.

if you talk about teams, this may be true. But if you talk about websites the CS-equivalent to TL would be hltv.org.
keep it deep! @zulison
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:18:17
July 15 2011 13:11 GMT
#334
On July 15 2011 22:03 HuskyGoalie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 21:53 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:50 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results.


SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world.


I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S


The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely.


I can't judge the HeatoN/Potti thingy as I wasn't in SK back then and don't really know about it, but after seeing the Gux and Delpan story I sometimes doubt that some counter-strike players have ever read their contracts. Just my honest thoughts though. I'm just a person that doesn't like if people talk about something they don't really know about. Don't take it personal! It counts for the oGs/SK deal as well.


While it could very well happen that wrong turns were made by the players aswell, i feel like SK has a responsibility as a big organization to explain themselves in these kind of situations. If not, then they better be ready to take the heat coming their way. I'm no taking it personally at all, and i understand that you would want to side with SK if you really have gotten your salaries/prize money or whatever it may be according to the contract.


I agree to the explanation thing. That could have been better indeed, but that's something I am not responsible for. As far as I have experienced SK has been the best organisation for me. It's hard to get accepted in eSports as a racing game player, but SK has helped and fully supports it. And I think MC and NaDa are the last players you wanna ever fool. Therefore I expect that they will get all the support they need and I hope that I can have the chance to meet them at Gamescom as my teammates.


I do not at all think that they will try to fool MC and NaDa, that would require some real BALLS, to say the least. I'm just very critical about this whole deal, as the information provided says nothing but cutting corners. It could be good for buisness, im not sure. But it definately wont sit well with the community.

edit; I would honestly much rather see them snatching players from other organizations, than doing this kind of thing. If they take players from others, i atleast feel that they have a right to call them their players. I would love for someone from SK-Gaming to come here, or anywhere and explain why this makes them a part of the SK-Gaming roster, and not just a personal financial sponsorship, similar to what TLO, Tyler & KiWiKaKi got from the MLG sponsors.

I for one respect Racing gamers, as i've played racing games on consoles all my life, and i appreciate the difficulty. Kudos to you sir for beeing as good as you are.
HerO - iNcontroL - DeMusliM - TaeJa - JaeDong
King of Kings
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany481 Posts
July 15 2011 13:13 GMT
#335
SK is by far the most famous clan in europe. They have so many tournament wins and its can't be bad when SK joins SC2 with such a deal. I hope NaDa will join many foreign tournaments in the future.

Fan of: MarineKingPrime.WE | MVP_Keen | LiquidTLO | oGs.MC
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
July 15 2011 13:15 GMT
#336
On July 15 2011 21:53 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 21:50 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:44 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:41 HuskyGoalie wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:34 ineq wrote:
On July 15 2011 21:31 stratmatt wrote:
ALso, SK is famous for stealing the best players in the world away from their teams, and rightfully so. SK supports their players like none other...but they have to provide results.


SK has a loooong history of not paying salary according to the contract. And keeping pricemoney they're not entitled to. So no, not rightfully so, they are one of the most shady organizations in the eSports world.


I guess I must be really lucky to get all my money from SK and 100% of my prizemoney during the last 4-5 years. There are so many people talking without knowing anything.. :S


The only way i see it possible for SK to have honored their contracts and paying salaries is if HeatoN, Potti & Tentpole are all a bunch of liars, who have publicly stated that they're still owed money. It may be possible, but i find it unlikely.


I can't judge the HeatoN/Potti thingy as I wasn't in SK back then and don't really know about it, but after seeing the Gux and Delpan story I sometimes doubt that some counter-strike players have ever read their contracts. Just my honest thoughts though. I'm just a person that doesn't like if people talk about something they don't really know about. Don't take it personal! It counts for the oGs/SK deal as well.


While it could very well happen that wrong turns were made by the players aswell, i feel like SK has a responsibility as a big organization to explain themselves in these kind of situations. If not, then they better be ready to take the heat coming their way. I'm no taking it personally at all, and i understand that you would want to side with SK if you really have gotten your salaries/prize money or whatever it may be according to the contract.

You seem like a person whos bringing up undigested stuff everytime you see ur ex girlfriends?
IMHO if u want an explanation from them, just ask them, this here is not the right place to expect something like this..

I mean SK surely did not hire Nada and MC to NOT fullful their contract and get bad RP. So we could just skip those stale news, and discuss about the Nada MC thing.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 13:20:43
July 15 2011 13:16 GMT
#337
Bit of a strange construction, will be interesting to see how it works out. Nada and mc are both insane ballers, but as a respected team SK once was I would have thought they would make their own team with their own talents. Now its just hiring for short term for publicity, because I don't see this as a long term solution for their sc2 lineup.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
July 15 2011 13:17 GMT
#338
I want to know how this works with the TL partnership etc, although i presume thats already been worked out with Nazgul etc
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
July 15 2011 13:18 GMT
#339
On July 15 2011 22:06 Jonas wrote:
As a big fan of everything oGs, I don't really get it? MC and Nada could both already participate in as many tournaments outside of korea as they cared to join, but now when they win said tournaments some random ass other team gets the credit for their win even though oGs is providing these players with training facilities, practice partners, and coaching? Bullshit


There is such a thing as costs of flights to and from foreign tournaments, accomodations at the events themselves, translators, guides and a thousand other possible expenses or problems that needs to be addressed.

So, in my view, if the SK-gaming deal makes for that NaDa and MC can attend more foreign tournaments and have less trouble doing so, it is a good and much needed thing.

How is this a bad thing!?
Seohyun fan
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
July 15 2011 13:20 GMT
#340
This sounds great!
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