After the whole pessimistic bloggers debacle etc. it is nice to read some real figures about where esports and SC2 is going.
This is from a media and marketing expert in Sweden, blogging about his expirence from Dreamhack Summer 2011.
The big thing is though the live-streaming of the even worldwide that made it to an enormous success! From the data I’ve seen and from good sources we are talking about over 3 Million unique viewers!
Yes, it’s unique viewers – duplications are gone and the data here is correct data and not some beefed up TV-stats. This is correct data provided by services like Justin.TV and OWN3D.
And that is only the streaming, when we go to social media as a whole..
Some key social media stats from DreamHack:
-711 Unique blog posts were written about DreamHak during the event and the day after.
-Over 28 0000 unique posts where DreamHack was mentioned in social media we monitored during DHS 2011.
-Druing the StarCraft2 final the amount of posts about HuK and Moon was 2240 posts/hour.
During monday when the StarCraft2 final was played the amount of buzz was so much that the winner, HuK, became a Trending Topic on Twitter – worldwide.
This during middle of the day in US – which is the hardest time to get a topic trending on Twitter.
Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
DreamHack is something so unique as a Swedish pride. It’s something unique that the whole world looks at – it’s might even a national symbol that Sweden should be proud about.
A big thank you to DreamHack – I’ll definitely come back this to DreamHack Winter!
Is there any way to see how many people consistently watched versus people who just clicked it out of curiosity?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if random Redditors clicked the frontpage links on r/all to see what it was and left immediately. The same applies for people who logged into LoL that weekend. Uniques are great, don't get me wrong, but if there's a way to find true viewer counts that would be amazing.
During monday when the StarCraft2 final was played the amount of buzz was so much that the winner, HuK, became a Trending Topic on Twitter – worldwide.
^This is pretty awesome though and is no small feat.
Wow! That's more viewers than US viewers watched the pilot episode of Game of Thrones (which was 2,22m according to wikipedia), although DH statistics are worldwide and it was for the whole event it's pretty impressive that the amount of viewers is in the same league!
after reading the blog there is one issue about SC2 at Dreamhack.
2-3 thousand people was standing in line to watch the finals, 1,2 got in. They need a much bigger stage for SC2. Time to brainstorm before Dreamhack Winter!
On July 08 2011 17:59 FinnGamer wrote: 3 Mill over all the streams? Or SC2? Anyway HUGE Numbers for ESPORTS and for Dreamhack in general. Congratulations DH
The post seems very SC2-centric. But I wonder the same thing. If it's only SC2, then it's beyond amazing.
On July 08 2011 18:09 Jiddra wrote: after reading the blog there is one issue about SC2 at Dreamhack.
2-3 thousand people was standing in line to watch the finals, 1,2 got in. They need a much bigger stage for SC2. Time to brainstorm before Dreamhack Winter!
Rumour has it they will rent Kinnarps arena for DHW11.
Yeah, me too. I think it was said that LoL had 1.7 million unique, so maybe you can break it up from there. Sc2 was probably around ~1.2mill
Huge numbers, love to see so many people watching.
Well that would give cs + quake+ hon 0.1 mil unique views.. which clearly isn't realistic. Got any source on that 1.7 mil for LoL? I think thats a little to much and that its more than 3 million in total btw. To topic, epic epic epic! So nice to see esports going in a cool direction! HUGE congratz to dreamhack for hosting an awesome event, The Event.
On July 08 2011 17:59 FinnGamer wrote: 3 Mill over all the streams? Or SC2? Anyway HUGE Numbers for ESPORTS and for Dreamhack in general. Congratulations DH
The post seems very SC2-centric. But I wonder the same thing. If it's only SC2, then it's beyond amazing.
I wrote the blog post - the viewer numbers is for DreamHack Summer as a total with all of the games (Quake Live, Counter-Strike, League of Legends, StarCraft2, SF4, HoN, Bloodline Champions etc.).
From sources I've heard the official stats will be released next week, and I think the StarCraft2 numbers will be really high as well as League of Legends.
By comparison MLG had 450 000 unique viewers for all of their games and SC2 stood for a majority of this.
Yeah, me too. I think it was said that LoL had 1.7 million unique, so maybe you can break it up from there. Sc2 was probably around ~1.2mill
Huge numbers, love to see so many people watching.
Well that would give cs + quake+ hon 0.1 mil unique views.. which clearly isn't realistic. Got any source on that 1.7 mil for LoL? I think thats a little to much and that its more than 3 million in total btw. To topic, epic epic epic! So nice to see esports going in a cool direction! HUGE congratz to dreamhack for hosting an awesome event, The Event.
Yeah, it was just mentioning Sc2/LoL forgot that figured in css/quake. Then again they didn't have huge stream numbers, so it's still around that ballpark of ~1million.
Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
What should also be kept in mind is that a big part of DH was broadcasted in Western "primetime" meaning 18-23 in EU, which is -6 to -8 hours in US, in the middle of the day, on a weekend. I could imagine how many more views MLG would get if MLG broadcasted the finals in a more EU friendly time.
And yes i know monday was bad for US. But not that many matches was played monday, and I don't think that many people wait until the RO8 to watch, in an event like DH on a weekend. Actually if i remember correctly, there were more viewers saturday night than at the finals.
Impressive number nontheless. Really looking forward to Anaheim number too, now with the Columbus hype.
Awesome news! I knew Dreamhack was gonna do well, but not this well. And yes, let's hope they get an even bigger arena for the finals (and possibly other matches) next time.
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
They, sly digs? I think you are making stuff up, this is not a blog from Dreamhack, and if you read the chart you can see that MLG was bigger in social media than GSL super tournament.
MLG is mentioned as the only tournament outside Korea that gets anythin close to Dreamhacks figures, wow what a sly dig.
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
I think competition between the major tournaments is better for the viewers (and esports) than if they simply would pat each other on the backs and be happy with what they do.
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
Yeah, support would be nice. But just sometimes, it's okay to be evil:
"Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
DreamHack is something so unique as a Swedish pride. It’s something unique that the whole world looks at – it’s might even a national symbol that Sweden should be proud about."
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
They, sly digs? I think you are making stuff up, this is not a blog from Dreamhack, and if you read the chart you can see that MLG was bigger in social media than GSL super tournament.
MLG is mentioned as the only tournament outside Korea that gets anythin close to Dreamhacks figures, wow what a sly dig.
Ermm in my English this is a " sly dig " @ MLG when they say;
Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
Saying they are the biggest eSport event outside South Korea? More viewers than MLG? And that Sweden is still dominationg ^_^ ermmm read between the lines?
Im all for them with friendly comeptition BUT i would not ever like them to get angry with eachother and they start having events on similar times and they start dividing the players up between MLG and DH. The reason they had so many viewers this time because it was literally a GLOBAL range of SC2 Superstars that turned up for that side of the tournament (Not sure about LoL).
you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
WRONG
The stream didnt start automatically. you had to klick the play button to start it
and i still dont get why so many people on TL are bitching about LoL
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
They, sly digs? I think you are making stuff up, this is not a blog from Dreamhack, and if you read the chart you can see that MLG was bigger in social media than GSL super tournament.
MLG is mentioned as the only tournament outside Korea that gets anythin close to Dreamhacks figures, wow what a sly dig.
Ermm in my English this is a " sly dig " @ MLG when they say;
Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
Saying they are the biggest eSport event outside South Korea? More viewers than MLG? And that Sweden is still dominationg ^_^ ermmm read between the lines?
Im all for them with friendly comeptition BUT i would not ever like them to get angry with eachother and they start having events on similar times and they start dividing the players up between MLG and DH. The reason they had so many viewers this time because it was literally a GLOBAL range of SC2 Superstars that turned up for that side of the tournament (Not sure about LoL).
I get your point, but I can assure you that my intention was not to make a "sly dig" at MLG. I just wanted in show which success DH Summer was when it comes to live streaming numbers.
I loved MLG Columbus and I loved DreamHack Summer, my intention was never to have a MLG vs DH.
LoL figures probably the highest by far, but I'm glad someone felt it was okay to show pride for something in Sweden, whatever it may be ^^
Kinda proud myself for being part of the construction as well as a crew during the event. Will absolutely be helping out there again if classes does not get in the way.
And the pressure for SC2 finals was insane, we had to scramble seats everywhere, got it filled to the last seat in the end.
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
They, sly digs? I think you are making stuff up, this is not a blog from Dreamhack, and if you read the chart you can see that MLG was bigger in social media than GSL super tournament.
MLG is mentioned as the only tournament outside Korea that gets anythin close to Dreamhacks figures, wow what a sly dig.
Ermm in my English this is a " sly dig " @ MLG when they say;
Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
Saying they are the biggest eSport event outside South Korea? More viewers than MLG? And that Sweden is still dominationg ^_^ ermmm read between the lines?
Im all for them with friendly comeptition BUT i would not ever like them to get angry with eachother and they start having events on similar times and they start dividing the players up between MLG and DH. The reason they had so many viewers this time because it was literally a GLOBAL range of SC2 Superstars that turned up for that side of the tournament (Not sure about LoL).
I get your point, but I can assure you that my intention was not to make a "sly dig" at MLG. I just wanted in show which success DH Summer was when it comes to live streaming numbers.
I loved MLG Columbus and I loved DreamHack Summer, my intention was never to have a MLG vs DH.
Thats good I like MLG and i like DH, but i also like GSL and IEM events too, i love the fact they are all making such good tournaments for everyone to watch, and the players lists they get keep getting better and better which is amazing. I also try and support as much as possible, buying HD passes etc whenever possible to try and show as much support as possible. Thats why i dont want any rivalries or spite to one another just all happy E-Sports family :D.
Not like FIFA vs UEFA, or every football club vs FIFA kind of crap! That would be terribad
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
No it didn't, there was no autoplay.
And why exactly are we bitching at Riot again for embedding it into their client? How dare they support eSports like that! If Blizzard did that, we'd be dancing in the fucking streets.
In more positive news : Ska vi Grille! Winter will be awesome.
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
No it didn't, there was no autoplay.
And why exactly are we bitching at Riot again for embedding it into their client? How dare they support eSports like that! If Blizzard did that, we'd be dancing in the fucking streets.
In more positive news : Ska vi Grille! Winter will be awesome.
I think the reason there were 3million viewers was because of MC and TB cast.....
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
No it didn't, there was no autoplay.
And why exactly are we bitching at Riot again for embedding it into their client? How dare they support eSports like that! If Blizzard did that, we'd be dancing in the fucking streets.
In more positive news : Ska vi Grille! Winter will be awesome.
Thank GOD for being an uncensored professional. Seriously, you take a lot of shit and still just speak the truth.
On July 08 2011 20:59 mapthesoul wrote: "Swedish pride" -_- Really embarrassingly written.
More like such an embarrassing thread. A post about Dreamhack showing amazing numbers and half the posts are in some way or another negative and about LoL Vs SC2 vs other games and Dreamhack vs MLG vs GSL. Or just straight up negative like your post.
Great job Dreamhack, it was a great event and probably one of my favorite SC2\e-sports events so far.
Personally I don't care who the views went to because it is a sign of things to come. If Dreamhack takes notice of this success they can look into investing more staff, preparation and effort into streaming Esports which would only help the community grow, which is what we all want.
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
WRONG
The stream didnt start automatically. you had to klick the play button to start it
and i still dont get why so many people on TL are bitching about LoL
But during that weekend LoL server were frequently down so people unable to play the game were pressing that play button to at least see a game I bet it boosted the viewership a lot.
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
WRONG
The stream didnt start automatically. you had to klick the play button to start it
and i still dont get why so many people on TL are bitching about LoL
But during that weekend LoL server were frequently down so people unable to play the game were pressing that play button to at least see a game I bet it boosted the viewership a lot.
Boosted viewership from people actually watching? Some sort of witchcraft? No idea why everyone shits on Riot so much for the embedded stream with no autoplay. u mad cuz Riot is x100 better than Blizzard when it comes to esports?
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
Yeah, support would be nice. But just sometimes, it's okay to be evil:
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
Yeah, support would be nice. But just sometimes, it's okay to be evil:
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
They, sly digs? I think you are making stuff up, this is not a blog from Dreamhack, and if you read the chart you can see that MLG was bigger in social media than GSL super tournament.
MLG is mentioned as the only tournament outside Korea that gets anythin close to Dreamhacks figures, wow what a sly dig.
Ermm in my English this is a " sly dig " @ MLG when they say;
Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
Saying they are the biggest eSport event outside South Korea? More viewers than MLG? And that Sweden is still dominationg ^_^ ermmm read between the lines?
Im all for them with friendly comeptition BUT i would not ever like them to get angry with eachother and they start having events on similar times and they start dividing the players up between MLG and DH. The reason they had so many viewers this time because it was literally a GLOBAL range of SC2 Superstars that turned up for that side of the tournament (Not sure about LoL).
I get your point, but I can assure you that my intention was not to make a "sly dig" at MLG. I just wanted in show which success DH Summer was when it comes to live streaming numbers.
I loved MLG Columbus and I loved DreamHack Summer, my intention was never to have a MLG vs DH.
Thats good I like MLG and i like DH, but i also like GSL and IEM events too, i love the fact they are all making such good tournaments for everyone to watch, and the players lists they get keep getting better and better which is amazing. I also try and support as much as possible, buying HD passes etc whenever possible to try and show as much support as possible. Thats why i dont want any rivalries or spite to one another just all happy E-Sports family :D.
Not like FIFA vs UEFA, or every football club vs FIFA kind of crap! That would be terribad
I do agree. Pure Rivalries and bashing each other are not good but healthy competition and inspiration can be good. I really like that MLG, ESL, GSL, DH, IPL, NASL steps up their game when it comes to production.
Just look back a couple of monthes - it was only GSL that had great production value - now all of the leagues look at each other to find things that they can do better to improve - and that is something I really like!
On July 08 2011 19:13 Pandemona wrote: I think the reason there were 3million viewers was because of MC and TB cast.....
We actually didn't have that many, about 10,000 on the stream for that, mostly because it was really short notice and it clashed with a big game. We did get about 200,000 views for the VoD though so that makes up for it.
On July 08 2011 18:50 clayn wrote: you guys should know that the stream for LoL was "in" the client. So, if you started your LoL client - and you probably never heard of esports - your dreamhack stream started automatically.
WRONG
The stream didnt start automatically. you had to klick the play button to start it
and i still dont get why so many people on TL are bitching about LoL
But during that weekend LoL server were frequently down so people unable to play the game were pressing that play button to at least see a game I bet it boosted the viewership a lot.
Boosted viewership from people actually watching? Some sort of witchcraft? No idea why everyone shits on Riot so much for the embedded stream with no autoplay. u mad cuz Riot is x100 better than Blizzard when it comes to esports?
People are not bitching about the company, they're just saying that it gives scewed numbers when it comes to popularity of the games. Just because there was a huge number of LOL watchers at DH doesn't mean that they actually follow e-sports, and I'd say Starcraft is still the best and biggest esport there is when it comes to popularity. Blizzard is somewhat of a cock block for their own gaming community though. Especially as activision's in charge.. Who made that decision anyway?
Still skeptical about these numbers. After the numbers magic that MLG pulled. Every company will cling to any big number to look good. This is obviously across multiple games. That's not quite as impressive. But it's clear events like these can't exactly put all their eggs in one basket. Although I was quite impressed with the live audience turn out for the finals. That was awesome. And that was enough for me. Sweden sure likes it's video games.
On July 08 2011 18:34 Pandemona wrote: Well with LoL final getting 110,000 viewers i beleive it was? And HuK vs Moon got like 72,000 not even the highest for DH Summer 2011. This was Idra vs MC which was 87,000 people tuned in to watch that i belive? I think LoL would be more than 60% of those 3million viewers.
Anyway lol @ the sly digs at MLG ^_^ would love them to support eachother more though not take sly digs at eachothers events and way they are produced
They, sly digs? I think you are making stuff up, this is not a blog from Dreamhack, and if you read the chart you can see that MLG was bigger in social media than GSL super tournament.
MLG is mentioned as the only tournament outside Korea that gets anythin close to Dreamhacks figures, wow what a sly dig.
Ermm in my English this is a " sly dig " @ MLG when they say;
Today there is no eSport event outside South Korea that are in the same league as DreamHack. The only one close is Major League Gaming in US, but they still have a few games and the live streaming numbers are not on par with DreamHack yet – the Swedish Pride is still dominating.
Saying they are the biggest eSport event outside South Korea? More viewers than MLG? And that Sweden is still dominationg ^_^ ermmm read between the lines?
Im all for them with friendly comeptition BUT i would not ever like them to get angry with eachother and they start having events on similar times and they start dividing the players up between MLG and DH. The reason they had so many viewers this time because it was literally a GLOBAL range of SC2 Superstars that turned up for that side of the tournament (Not sure about LoL).
This is not Dreamhack Crew or company speaking, if you read the OP you can clearly see that it's not "Them" (which I interpreted as you refering to Dreamhack) who are writing, but it's a media and marketing expert who is writing a blog, and it's his opinions and not Dreamhacks.
Still, I agree that he is making "sly digs" at MLG. But that doesn't mean that Dreamhack crews go "nyaa nyaa, who's the best?!".
Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
On July 10 2011 00:33 ffadicted wrote: Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
Still cool to see though
Lol what? You think only 3 percent of the unique viewers watched SC2? I'd be shocked if that was the case.
On July 10 2011 00:33 ffadicted wrote: Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
Still cool to see though
well it was over 87k + at times so sc2 defineately got a lore more than 100-150k unique, probably over 1 million. LoL had the most but they didnt have double as much as starcraft 2. And as The LoL viewers was mainly from the in-game stream itself it probably didnt have that many unique as the game itself is played mainly from hardcore players. Awesome numbers how ever DreamHack fighting! EDIT: Oh I hadn't updated the tl thread last minutes didn't realize u alrdy explained it.
On July 10 2011 00:33 ffadicted wrote: Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
Still cool to see though
Lol what? You think only 3 percent of the unique viewers watched SC2? I'd be shocked if that was the case.
Well most SC2 tournaments turn up around 50 - 70K viewers overall, and dreamhack had constant count of around that for most of the time, it's hard to believe that it would have any more than twice that amount in unique views. I'm just saying, if more than 150K people actually watched more than a full series/couple games at dreamhack for sc2, I would be surprised.
3 million viewers is where business with a global market gets REALLY interested in screentime as player/team sponsors.. Pretty strong numbers coming out of Dreamhack now :o
On July 10 2011 00:33 ffadicted wrote: Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
Still cool to see though
Lol what? You think only 3 percent of the unique viewers watched SC2? I'd be shocked if that was the case.
Well most SC2 tournaments turn up around 50 - 70K viewers overall, and dreamhack had constant count of around that for most of the time, it's hard to believe that it would have any more than twice that amount in unique views. I'm just saying, if more than 150K people actually watched more than a full series/couple games at dreamhack for sc2, I would be surprised.
So you think MLG had more unique SC2 viewers than Dreamhack? Because they had something like 450k unique viewers over all three games, and I would be shocked if SC2 didn't bring in more than 1/3rd of that number.
On July 10 2011 00:33 ffadicted wrote: Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
Still cool to see though
Lol what? You think only 3 percent of the unique viewers watched SC2? I'd be shocked if that was the case.
Well most SC2 tournaments turn up around 50 - 70K viewers overall, and dreamhack had constant count of around that for most of the time, it's hard to believe that it would have any more than twice that amount in unique views. I'm just saying, if more than 150K people actually watched more than a full series/couple games at dreamhack for sc2, I would be surprised.
The official stats will come next week what I've heard but I can without a doubt say that your analysis is pretty much wrong. SC2 at DreamHack when you combine the streams peaked at over 100 000 Unique Viewers. + The final was broadcasted on SVT Play online.
It has already been confirmed that LoL had about 1.6-1.7 Million UV during the tournament and the rest of the games had what I've heard pretty much the same amount total. It's not a wild guess that SC2 has a huge portion of that viewership.
And also - what I and everyone else talk about is Unique Viewers and that does not take amount of time into consideration.
What I've heard the stats will be released next week - so if you don't believe me you can always wait for the official stats :D.
On July 10 2011 00:33 ffadicted wrote: Yaaaaa, no way it's 3 million for just sc2 obviously. In fact I'm pretty sure LoL had the most of that, I'd honestly be shocked if sc2 had anything close to 100-150k unique.
Still cool to see though
Lol what? You think only 3 percent of the unique viewers watched SC2? I'd be shocked if that was the case.
Well most SC2 tournaments turn up around 50 - 70K viewers overall, and dreamhack had constant count of around that for most of the time, it's hard to believe that it would have any more than twice that amount in unique views. I'm just saying, if more than 150K people actually watched more than a full series/couple games at dreamhack for sc2, I would be surprised.
The official stats will come next week what I've heard but I can without a doubt say that your analysis is pretty much wrong. SC2 at DreamHack when you combine the streams peaked at over 100 000 Unique Viewers. + The final was broadcasted on SVT Play online.
It has already been confirmed that LoL had about 1.6-1.7 Million UV during the tournament and the rest of the games had what I've heard pretty much the same amount total. It's not a wild guess that SC2 has a huge portion of that viewership.
And also - what I and everyone else talk about is Unique Viewers and that does not take amount of time into consideration.
What I've heard the stats will be released next week - so if you don't believe me you can always wait for the official stats :D.
On July 10 2011 02:30 palexhur wrote: How do you measure Unique Viewers? because if it is by the ip (I have a dinamic one), then I have been counted as a "unique" 20 times.
To get the number of unique viewers they count IP addresses. It's not perfect as you mentioned since some people might have dynamic addresses but this is kind of negated by people watching the stream together.
Other things that might have bigger effect on the number is how they add the numbers from the different streams.
a) Do they count the unique viewers of all streams together? I would have been counted as 1 viewer
b) Do they count the unique viewers from each stream separately and then add them up? I would have been counted as ~10 viewers since I checked out most of the streams for a little while.
c) Do they count the unique viewers from OWN3D and Justin.tv separately and then add them up? I would have been counted as 2 viewers since I opened up the LoL stream for 30 seconds to watch what all the fuss was about.
I can't quite load this up, is it supposed to be a download?
you need a pdf reader. some browsers has it built in, others doesn't. so you might have to download it and open in adobe reader or similar. or download google chrome
What amazes me is the amount of data that was streamed when there were nearly 50k viewers or so. Just the capability to stream how many gigabytes of video per second?
What sort of hardware / connection is needed for that? How much does it cost, who provides it. etc
Damn, that pdf confirms the 1.7 unique viewers for League of Legends alone. No wonder, with those numbers maybe MLG's viewership wont look as little next to Dreamhack.
All the infos and graphs were nice, but its a shame we couldn't get more concrete information on how many viewers SC2 had, also the LoL stats are worrying, it seems like another WoW arena 2.0 type deal, HoN and Dota are much better games but since they're not free and take more skill to play they get less attention.
On July 10 2011 02:30 palexhur wrote: How do you measure Unique Viewers? because if it is by the ip (I have a dynamic one), then I have been counted as a "unique" 20 times.
Everybody has a dynamic address but it stays the same. Your ISP has a DHCP pool which keep track of your router mac often for more than a week.
Basically, you could close your router for a couple days and your IP would still be the same.
The part I don't know is the routing from university's a public places that uses NAT. I don't know much about how they work but it seem it would be hard to keep track of theses.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or explain the university thing if you know more.
On July 10 2011 02:30 palexhur wrote: How do you measure Unique Viewers? because if it is by the ip (I have a dinamic one), then I have been counted as a "unique" 20 times.
To get the number of unique viewers they count IP addresses. It's not perfect as you mentioned since some people might have dynamic addresses but this is kind of negated by people watching the stream together.
Other things that might have bigger effect on the number is how they add the numbers from the different streams.
a) Do they count the unique viewers of all streams together? I would have been counted as 1 viewer
b) Do they count the unique viewers from each stream separately and then add them up? I would have been counted as ~10 viewers since I checked out most of the streams for a little while.
c) Do they count the unique viewers from OWN3D and Justin.tv separately and then add them up? I would have been counted as 2 viewers since I opened up the LoL stream for 30 seconds to watch what all the fuss was about.
If they check IP and add a cookie, only a few people will get counted twice. That is they who gets a new IP and has turned cookies off, uses another browser or deletes their cookies.
On July 10 2011 02:30 palexhur wrote: How do you measure Unique Viewers? because if it is by the ip (I have a dinamic one), then I have been counted as a "unique" 20 times.
To get the number of unique viewers they count IP addresses. It's not perfect as you mentioned since some people might have dynamic addresses but this is kind of negated by people watching the stream together.
Other things that might have bigger effect on the number is how they add the numbers from the different streams.
a) Do they count the unique viewers of all streams together? I would have been counted as 1 viewer
b) Do they count the unique viewers from each stream separately and then add them up? I would have been counted as ~10 viewers since I checked out most of the streams for a little while.
c) Do they count the unique viewers from OWN3D and Justin.tv separately and then add them up? I would have been counted as 2 viewers since I opened up the LoL stream for 30 seconds to watch what all the fuss was about.
If they check IP and add a cookie, only a few people will get counted twice. That is they who gets a new IP and has turned cookies off, uses another browser or deletes their cookies.
even doing that wouldn't be enough. They also have flash cookies for sure which u have to delete separately from the normal cookies. Only doubles would probably be ppl running addons like BetterPrivacy.
"Top-10 countries" This top 10 is pretty interesting- say alot about the local gaming culture.
just to put a the population into perspective:
1 US: 308,745,538 (a given nr.1) 2 Sweden: 9,354,462 (home court advantage and the european mecca og esports) 3 Germany: 81,799,600 4 France: 65,821,885 5 United Kingdom: 62,262,000 6 Canada: 34,312,000 (the HuK effect? ) 7 Denmark: 5,564,219 (The biggest suprise to me, but I guess i am biased) 8 Russian Federation: 142,905,200 (I expected greater numbers here) 9 Poland: 38,186,860 (same here) 10 Norway: 4,971,900
EPT
