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Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
July 16 2011 06:40 GMT
#1941
Hmmm, who to trade to antiteam now to replace Lyn?
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asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
July 16 2011 11:21 GMT
#1942
On July 16 2011 15:40 Welmu wrote:
Hmmm, who to trade to antiteam now to replace Lyn?

No one? All the other options are pretty stupid picks, I think Lyn is the worst player out of the bunch, although he of course will get played a bit more.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 16 2011 16:42 GMT
#1943
Because of the way the formulas work, each game a player plays, his trade value drops by a larger percentage than the week before.

Which means, it is easier to trade a player that has 4 games left for one with 5 than one that has 3 left for one with 4 etc. etc. Basically, the fewer games a player has left, the harder it is to trade him for someone else to get extra games out of him. This is especially true for players with a high salary.

So what I suggest is never let a player get below 3 games unless you intend on keeping him for the duration of the season. For example, on my team I have 3 IM players (Happy, Younghwa and LosirA); this week I will likely be trading 2 of them (depending on who starts for IM).

So if you have happy or younghwa, now is a good time to trade them (unless one is starting). Their values would drop to 8ish (younghwa) and 8.something (happy) if they didn't play (assuming IM wins).

So yea, now is a very good time to trade them for someone you intend on keeping that has 2-3 games left. sC isn't a bad choice (since he has will likely see a ton of play based on their remaining opponents). TheStC isn't a bad choice (since he has 4 games left and oGs has shown they want to use him). Ganzi will probably see a ton of use so he's not a bad idea.

Anyways, point is, don't let anyone drop below 3 games unless you plan on keeping them. It's too hard to maintain a decent trade value at that point.
mrbamboo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States415 Posts
July 16 2011 17:52 GMT
#1944
On July 17 2011 01:42 DoomsVille wrote:
Because of the way the formulas work, each game a player plays, his trade value drops by a larger percentage than the week before.

Which means, it is easier to trade a player that has 4 games left for one with 5 than one that has 3 left for one with 4 etc. etc. Basically, the fewer games a player has left, the harder it is to trade him for someone else to get extra games out of him. This is especially true for players with a high salary.

So what I suggest is never let a player get below 3 games unless you intend on keeping him for the duration of the season. For example, on my team I have 3 IM players (Happy, Younghwa and LosirA); this week I will likely be trading 2 of them (depending on who starts for IM).

So if you have happy or younghwa, now is a good time to trade them (unless one is starting). Their values would drop to 8ish (younghwa) and 8.something (happy) if they didn't play (assuming IM wins).

So yea, now is a very good time to trade them for someone you intend on keeping that has 2-3 games left. sC isn't a bad choice (since he has will likely see a ton of play based on their remaining opponents). TheStC isn't a bad choice (since he has 4 games left and oGs has shown they want to use him). Ganzi will probably see a ton of use so he's not a bad idea.

Anyways, point is, don't let anyone drop below 3 games unless you plan on keeping them. It's too hard to maintain a decent trade value at that point.



I agree with this some what. What this really says is look at the schedule when you trade. What you have to keep in mind is that every player's trade value drops as they play, and trade value only matters relative to each other, so this oh you have to get rid of a player around x number of games left isn't too useful IMO, what you really want to do is get rid of players that have less games left than other good options while you still can. This is why most people should have gotten rid of FXO players by week 3 or 4 because all the other teams have 3-4 games left and FXO only have 2-3. This is also why right now it's crucial to pick up someone like Naniwa or Thorzain if you think they will do well because they have 5 matches left while others have around 3. You should always try to trade UP the number of matches that a player gets to see play if possible, unless you are very sure a player will dominate immediately and get a huge boost in value. But it's not just how many matches a team plays, you have to estimate how often a player will see play.

For example oGs has 4 games left, that means if you have someone from ST or TSL who have 3 games left it might seem like a good idea to trade for oGs. But the truth is oGs has a deep roster so any particular player you pick may or may not get used, so the fact that oGs has more games to play doesn't really help.

This will get trickier toward the end of the league as well, since every team will have 1-2 series left, and the trade value drop off becomes more significant.

Icectar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States99 Posts
July 16 2011 18:41 GMT
#1945
is it wise to hope that MMA comes back and dominates, pushing his overall value to 20, then i can trade for Nawiwa or Thorzain? or should I just trade him for Fenix? Also considering GuMiHo -> July or sC and Happy -> sC or TheStC
"You can always tell someone to go to Hell tomorrow."
Ertu
Profile Joined November 2010
Greece686 Posts
July 16 2011 19:05 GMT
#1946
I think may people are super happy that QXC won that one match against Gumiho,it gave him enough value to be traded out of my main team. The question is,which minor player should I get??? I think IceCream is a decent choice,he could be used by Zenex in one of the next matches.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#1947
Who should go on my Anti for Week five I have FD, HongUn, and Marineking so far...
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
mrbamboo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States415 Posts
July 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#1948
On July 17 2011 04:05 Ertu wrote:
I think may people are super happy that QXC won that one match against Gumiho,it gave him enough value to be traded out of my main team. The question is,which minor player should I get??? I think IceCream is a decent choice,he could be used by Zenex in one of the next matches.



The only two people that stands out to me at that value is IceCream and Nuclear (asdfOu), both aren't bad choices.
mrbamboo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States415 Posts
July 16 2011 19:43 GMT
#1949
On July 17 2011 04:33 skrzmark wrote:
Who should go on my Anti for Week five I have FD, HongUn, and Marineking so far...


MKP is prob gonna lose you a few points :-/. All ur options to trade him off are terrible though, polt MC bomber killer DRG lol. I have no idea how the hell HongUn is still code S and round of 8 non the less. Every single one of his game is unimpressive yet some how he wins. I don't know how but apparently he can win games so maybe wanna trade him off for someone that won't see play for a while, not sure who though.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 16 2011 19:44 GMT
#1950
see if I can trade Killer off of my anti-team, find out the only available option to trade with is DRG...

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2HeadedBoy
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
July 16 2011 19:47 GMT
#1951
Do you guys think Bomber is worth holding onto, or should I trade him for MC? It's not that I don't think Bomber is capable of winning more games, but oGs has more games left, and maybe they will be more reliant on MC than Startale (with Squirtle, July, etc.) is reliant on Bomber.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
July 16 2011 21:01 GMT
#1952
On July 17 2011 04:43 mrbamboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 04:33 skrzmark wrote:
Who should go on my Anti for Week five I have FD, HongUn, and Marineking so far...


MKP is prob gonna lose you a few points :-/. All ur options to trade him off are terrible though, polt MC bomber killer DRG lol. I have no idea how the hell HongUn is still code S and round of 8 non the less. Every single one of his game is unimpressive yet some how he wins. I don't know how but apparently he can win games so maybe wanna trade him off for someone that won't see play for a while, not sure who though.

I totally agree, I'm actually getting a bit scared about having him on my anti, feels like a Killer Lite situation, although I miraculously managed to dodge that bullet.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Mangix
Profile Joined June 2011
United States115 Posts
July 16 2011 21:12 GMT
#1953
Hey do you guys think I should trade Boxxer for Tassadar?
also thinking about getting July with GumiHo.


thanks
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
July 16 2011 21:15 GMT
#1954
On July 17 2011 06:12 Mangix wrote:
Hey do you guys think I should trade Boxxer for Tassadar?
also thinking about getting July with GumiHo.


thanks

Tassadar is probably the most valuable <7 point player at the moment, I'm getting him with Byun pretty much no matter what. GuMiho I'm going to keep until the end, I think, I'm pretty convinced that he's the best fOu player to get if sC is out of reach. I don't expect July to get played a lot.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 21:19:05
July 16 2011 21:17 GMT
#1955
On July 17 2011 04:44 udgnim wrote:
see if I can trade Killer off of my anti-team, find out the only available option to trade with is DRG...

[image loading]

I know how you feel. My only option is Bomber. Nada on anti team should be a crime sentencable to death BTW.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
sasobodynamic
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore294 Posts
July 17 2011 05:06 GMT
#1956
any tips on trading??

Main Team:
Alicia
BBoongBBoong
DongRaeGu
Lucky
MC
Nuclear
Puzzle
Taeja
New Star HoSeo

Anti Team:
NaNiwa
Curious
Zenio
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 17 2011 05:09 GMT
#1957
u took naniwa on ur anti team?

gl with that -.-
think u will need it

main team looks strong tho
hi_0
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada249 Posts
July 17 2011 05:13 GMT
#1958
On July 17 2011 04:44 udgnim wrote:
see if I can trade Killer off of my anti-team, find out the only available option to trade with is DRG...

[image loading]

Lmao I know that feel bro... for me the only options for me to trade with are dongraegu and bomber, haha. damn it.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 17 2011 05:18 GMT
#1959
On July 17 2011 04:43 mrbamboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 04:33 skrzmark wrote:
Who should go on my Anti for Week five I have FD, HongUn, and Marineking so far...


MKP is prob gonna lose you a few points :-/. All ur options to trade him off are terrible though, polt MC bomber killer DRG lol. I have no idea how the hell HongUn is still code S and round of 8 non the less. Every single one of his game is unimpressive yet some how he wins. I don't know how but apparently he can win games so maybe wanna trade him off for someone that won't see play for a while, not sure who though.


How is he gonna lose me points? for being on the roster? I'm sure he's gonna lose his match lol.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
Icectar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States99 Posts
July 17 2011 05:22 GMT
#1960
On July 17 2011 14:06 sasobodynamic wrote:
any tips on trading??

Main Team:
Alicia
BBoongBBoong
DongRaeGu
Lucky
MC
Nuclear
Puzzle
Taeja
New Star HoSeo

Anti Team:
NaNiwa
Curious
Zenio


Alicia, BBoongBBoong, DongRaeGu are all keepers.
who is Lucky?!
MC, you might want to trade, ogs is a deep team, so he might not see alot of playing time
Nuclear, Taeja, I would say trade, but theres nothing good you can trade them for
Puzzle, hold on to him, really nothing you can do, but he's not bad
Anti team is pretty good except for NaNiwa, pretty good chance your going to get screwed over since F. United is a small team, and theres really nothing you can trade him up for
"You can always tell someone to go to Hell tomorrow."
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