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On June 18 2011 11:08 gosu86 wrote:
Thank you and have a nice day ^^
Thank you!
When you are done enjoying yours, could you leave a note here explaining which of the many "he"'s you are referring to in your post is which? The mess of references to the aforementioned bf, OP and Catz makes it seem to me that the suggested thread reading should start with yourself perhaps?
Don't worry. We are going to make an exception on this one, so explaining yourself will not subtract from your Internet Forum Tough Guy points.
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On June 18 2011 11:23 DminusTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:08 gosu86 wrote:On June 18 2011 10:54 Duravi wrote:Yes, it's real according to reddit. WTF does this have anything to do with the conversation at hand? I don't agree with Catz but slandering him with this stupid shit is deplorable. For that I do feel sorry for the guy but it was best he found out. Slandering him on that, well you can't really he didn't do anything wrong there. Not the bfs fault just the girl likes to go around. To the point if your going to slander him do it for the right reasons. I seriously think he should have re thought or reworded what he said because to me and most of the people in this thread agrees that his statement is quite the bs and I can def agree. At least if your going to give an excuse give a excuse that's reasonable with proof or evidence. I found the info shit to be all over the friggen place and not making any sense. His argument is ridiculous, so ridiculous I find and stupid and making him look like a fool. As everyone has stated in this thread, we even got people saying their economist and stating his quote stupid as F$%^ lol. And I stated this not because I love korean players I have tons of foreigner favorites like idra, whitera, jinro, huk and the list goes on. Every reply Catz has made, I don't even know if this guy has a brain lol. Arguing and trying to prove something without research and analysis is brainless. Catz maybe it's time to train 5-8 hours a day or more and improve your game instead of putting out a stupid ass statement. For all who disagree read the whole thread before you reply Thank you and have a nice day ^^ You're actually degrading the quality of the argument you support with this post. If English isn't your first language I apologize for coming down on you too hard, but really consider reading your post before you make it. Portions of this are either somewhat incomprehensible or unnecessarily vitriolic.
yes my english is not that great but i am still learning^^ grammer police
instead of being a grammar police why dont you put your 2cents in than instead of just saying its vitriolic
lol vitriolic trying to be smart online ok i get it
oh look i forgot to type a period and forgot my capitals and comma sss
my reply to you denmark read the whole thread and you'll get your answer ^^ tough guy? lol okays if you say so
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On June 18 2011 11:40 gosu86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:23 DminusTerran wrote:On June 18 2011 11:08 gosu86 wrote:On June 18 2011 10:54 Duravi wrote:Yes, it's real according to reddit. WTF does this have anything to do with the conversation at hand? I don't agree with Catz but slandering him with this stupid shit is deplorable. For that I do feel sorry for the guy but it was best he found out. Slandering him on that, well you can't really he didn't do anything wrong there. Not the bfs fault just the girl likes to go around. To the point if your going to slander him do it for the right reasons. I seriously think he should have re thought or reworded what he said because to me and most of the people in this thread agrees that his statement is quite the bs and I can def agree. At least if your going to give an excuse give a excuse that's reasonable with proof or evidence. I found the info shit to be all over the friggen place and not making any sense. His argument is ridiculous, so ridiculous I find and stupid and making him look like a fool. As everyone has stated in this thread, we even got people saying their economist and stating his quote stupid as F$%^ lol. And I stated this not because I love korean players I have tons of foreigner favorites like idra, whitera, jinro, huk and the list goes on. Every reply Catz has made, I don't even know if this guy has a brain lol. Arguing and trying to prove something without research and analysis is brainless. Catz maybe it's time to train 5-8 hours a day or more and improve your game instead of putting out a stupid ass statement. For all who disagree read the whole thread before you reply Thank you and have a nice day ^^ You're actually degrading the quality of the argument you support with this post. If English isn't your first language I apologize for coming down on you too hard, but really consider reading your post before you make it. Portions of this are either somewhat incomprehensible or unnecessarily vitriolic. yes my english is not that great but i am still learning^^ grammer police
Not so much grammar as tone. If you can get your point across poor grammar isn't the greatest of issues. Just when you say something like:
Every reply Catz has made, I don't even know if this guy has a brain lol.
It's taking what should be an discussion about what is best for E-sports and throwing in personal insults. Anyways, I for the most part agree with the stance you have as well. It's fine to disagree with Catz and/or others, I'd just try to avoid vilifying them. That's just my advice. Feel free to consider me an overbearing and patronizing ass, I can definitely see how I'd be coming across as such at the moment.
Hmm seems you've changed the tone of your reply in the time I was responding to you, well again such is your right. Though I doubt it will win you many supporters.
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What would happen to British football (not soccer) if they allowed NFL teams to compete in their leagues? It would utterly destroy British football as they would have little chance to win. Yes the NFL would give better games, but if you want to see who's the best you have a world tournament.
If the American team wants to move to Britain, and commit to them that's fair.
So my question to you is:
Should British pro football teams just "get better" or should they be allowed their own league?
The fact is in NO sport (except where two close countries have an agreement) do teams from other countries compete in local leagues, they have WORLD tourneys to compete with each other, otherwise a few teams would travel the world cleaning up every tournament, and it would destroy the sport as a whole.
This example is why North America should have its own league for people who actually reside here.
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lol "oh you're korean SELECT GTFO" lololol
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On June 18 2011 11:49 DminusTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:40 gosu86 wrote:On June 18 2011 11:23 DminusTerran wrote:On June 18 2011 11:08 gosu86 wrote:On June 18 2011 10:54 Duravi wrote:Yes, it's real according to reddit. WTF does this have anything to do with the conversation at hand? I don't agree with Catz but slandering him with this stupid shit is deplorable. For that I do feel sorry for the guy but it was best he found out. Slandering him on that, well you can't really he didn't do anything wrong there. Not the bfs fault just the girl likes to go around. To the point if your going to slander him do it for the right reasons. I seriously think he should have re thought or reworded what he said because to me and most of the people in this thread agrees that his statement is quite the bs and I can def agree. At least if your going to give an excuse give a excuse that's reasonable with proof or evidence. I found the info shit to be all over the friggen place and not making any sense. His argument is ridiculous, so ridiculous I find and stupid and making him look like a fool. As everyone has stated in this thread, we even got people saying their economist and stating his quote stupid as F$%^ lol. And I stated this not because I love korean players I have tons of foreigner favorites like idra, whitera, jinro, huk and the list goes on. Every reply Catz has made, I don't even know if this guy has a brain lol. Arguing and trying to prove something without research and analysis is brainless. Catz maybe it's time to train 5-8 hours a day or more and improve your game instead of putting out a stupid ass statement. For all who disagree read the whole thread before you reply Thank you and have a nice day ^^ You're actually degrading the quality of the argument you support with this post. If English isn't your first language I apologize for coming down on you too hard, but really consider reading your post before you make it. Portions of this are either somewhat incomprehensible or unnecessarily vitriolic. yes my english is not that great but i am still learning^^ grammer police Not so much grammar as tone. If you can get your point across poor grammar isn't the greatest of issues. Just when you say something like: It's taking what should be an discussion about what is best for E-sports and throwing in personal insults. Anyways, I for the most part agree with the stance you have as well. It's fine to disagree with Catz and/or others, I'd just try to avoid vilifying them. Anyways that's just my advice. Feel free to consider me an overbearing and patronizing ass, I can definitely see how I'd be coming across as such at the moment. Hmm seems you've changed the tone of your reply in the time I was responding to you, well again such is your right. Though I doubt it will win you many supporters.
If you read my post I actually defended Catz with the reddit bs. People flaming and slandering him for that it's 100 percent not his fault. Anyways there are other sides to the story and I did defend him because I don't think he should be flamed for that. What I stated was if your going to slander do it for a reason.
Yeah I agree with you, I guess I wasn't happy with his responses in this thread. I'm not trying to win any supporters, I'm just trying to get my point across. Yeah that statement was a lil harsh but I typed it in after reading his replies though.
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On June 18 2011 11:54 AKA. wrote:
What would happen to British football (not soccer) if they allowed NFL teams to compete in their leagues? It would utterly destroy British football as they would have little chance to win. Yes the NFL would give better games, but if you want to see who's the best you have a world tournament.
If the American team wants to move to Britain, and commit to them that's fair.
So my question to you is:
Should British pro football teams just "get better" or should they be allowed their own league?
The fact is in NO sport (except where two close countries have an agreement) do teams from other countries compete in local leagues, they have WORLD tourneys to compete with each other, otherwise a few teams would travel the world cleaning up every tournament, and it would destroy the sport as a whole.
This example is why North America should have its own league for people who actually reside here.
So what your saying is that european players should also be banned cause they are better then NA players as now? They are like the CFL not as good as NFL but can also destroy British Football (American football).
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Hey... we let Women have their own leagues. Just rebrand the NA SC2 scene (and NASL) as the equivalent of the WNBA.
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I'm not sure I can buy this until it's stops being about Korea alone, it just isn't fair to single them out just because they have the highest concentration of good players, and more of a gaming culture.
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I agree with CatZ
This is the same as Women having Seperate leagues.
If we let guys play in womens leagues... Women would get DESTROYED
Same as NFL and CFL.
Koreans should move to North America if they want to compete.
Sorry END OF STORY. Same with European Players.
Allowing Korean + Euro players will KILL NA Scene.
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BTW Catz duno if this Means something but you are THE ONLY NON TERRAN I will watch.
So... Thanks again for speaking out as I have been thinking this same thing for a LONG Time.
Big up for speaking out and taking all this shit that ppl on TL are giving you.
I honestly think some1 needs to get catz behind the scences in tournaments... Stop inviting the Koreas FFS... If you want Koreans vs NAs or Euros make a match like the Korea vs the World...
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On June 18 2011 12:01 lazyfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:54 AKA. wrote:
What would happen to British football (not soccer) if they allowed NFL teams to compete in their leagues? It would utterly destroy British football as they would have little chance to win. Yes the NFL would give better games, but if you want to see who's the best you have a world tournament.
If the American team wants to move to Britain, and commit to them that's fair.
So my question to you is:
Should British pro football teams just "get better" or should they be allowed their own league?
The fact is in NO sport (except where two close countries have an agreement) do teams from other countries compete in local leagues, they have WORLD tourneys to compete with each other, otherwise a few teams would travel the world cleaning up every tournament, and it would destroy the sport as a whole.
This example is why North America should have its own league for people who actually reside here.
So what your saying is that european players should also be banned cause they are better then NA players as now? They are like the CFL not as good as NFL but can also destroy British Football (American football).
That depends how they set it up. We could either have an agreement with europe that we can compete there and they here, or to separate each.
The situation with Korea where they can compete here, but we cant compete there without moving is just wrong.
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On June 18 2011 12:04 Random321321 wrote:
I'm not sure I can buy this until it's stops being about Korea alone, it just isn't fair to single them out just because they have the highest concentration of good players, and more of a gaming culture.
This is a misunderstanding that many people are making.
We didn't make it about Korea, they did by not allowing us into their league without moving there. It's not a fair system, and is not about the fact that they have the best gamers (that's just what brings it to light). If Koreans let us in via the internet, this would not be as big of a deal.
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On June 18 2011 09:40 Bombmk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 08:19 Yaotzin wrote:On June 18 2011 08:15 Bombmk wrote:
You forgot Liverpool.
Liverpool have won 0 of the last 19 titles. Thank you. ;D
but this year will BE their year....... as always 
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I agree 100% with everything CatZ said. I thought this exact same thing with MLG. I don't see how watching the koreans dominate all the NA and EU players would benefit E-Sports globally. I'm sure plenty of players were discouraged by this.
However, on a spectator side.. fuck that was cool as shit to watch.
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I find this really funny.
1. GSL so far provides the highest prize money, and i dont see them excluding foreigners.... it's just that the foreigners have all failed to take that money back to the u.s. due to lack of skills, experience, or creativity.
2. So if we all acknowledged that the koreans are better sc2 players and think that we should exclude them from the North American scene, then how will the North American players ever improve or get to the level of koreans?
people improve their games by playing people that are better than them... if you isolate yourself and never play people that are better than you, how will you ever grow as a player?
i think by having the koreans in the NA tournaments, it will only help the NA players improve much faster.
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On June 18 2011 12:12 AKA. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 12:04 Random321321 wrote:
I'm not sure I can buy this until it's stops being about Korea alone, it just isn't fair to single them out just because they have the highest concentration of good players, and more of a gaming culture. This is a misunderstanding that many people are making. We didn't make it about Korea, they did by not allowing us into their league without moving there. It's not a fair system, and is not about the fact that they have the best gamers (that's just what brings it to light). If Koreans let us in via the internet, this would not be as big of a deal.
Foreigners can't enter Korean tournaments without being there because they're live in person tournaments. If you really want to exclude Koreans and Europeans from NASL, make it always a live and in person setting for the games.
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Like his analogy with soccer.
USA sucked shit in soccer but now are good... why? because they started leagues inside USA which not only motivated but made the soccer players in a way better because they trained harder saying i want to win this shit.
Now instead of doing the league but at the time when they sucked shit and they instead did a world league kind of thing where they would play against the best (spain italy brazil blah blah) everytime they played a game or tournament, they would get better but at a much slower rate and always be demoralized. Plus if they would win people would just be like yea brazil knows they suck so they didnt try half the game.
I completely agree with him. It's nice to have mlg's and world tournaments where you get to see the best of both worlds but there needs to be tournaments with nice prize pools where a north american can be like ok i'm going to train for this tournament harder since i have a better chance of winning this(in turn making them better since they're motivated to train for it and all the practice) than lets say an mlg.
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If you're gonna exclude the Koreans, then you might as well exclude the Swedes too.
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On June 18 2011 12:08 AKA. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 12:01 lazyfeet wrote:On June 18 2011 11:54 AKA. wrote:
What would happen to British football (not soccer) if they allowed NFL teams to compete in their leagues? It would utterly destroy British football as they would have little chance to win. Yes the NFL would give better games, but if you want to see who's the best you have a world tournament.
If the American team wants to move to Britain, and commit to them that's fair.
So my question to you is:
Should British pro football teams just "get better" or should they be allowed their own league?
The fact is in NO sport (except where two close countries have an agreement) do teams from other countries compete in local leagues, they have WORLD tourneys to compete with each other, otherwise a few teams would travel the world cleaning up every tournament, and it would destroy the sport as a whole.
This example is why North America should have its own league for people who actually reside here.
So what your saying is that european players should also be banned cause they are better then NA players as now? They are like the CFL not as good as NFL but can also destroy British Football (American football). That depends how they set it up. We could either have an agreement with europe that we can compete there and they here, or to separate each. The situation with Korea where they can compete here, but we cant compete there without moving is just wrong.
I don't know what you mean by what is unfair since jinro and huk are competing in Korea. FXOpen is joining them soon. The reason why NA players can't compete in korea can also apply to the korean can compete here. GSL is running every month so there is little room for Korean to participating in all foreign tournaments. If Not all Korean teams have the Sponsor backing to sent them to us consider how expensive the airplane ticket is. Almost 2/5 top prize for MLG.
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On June 18 2011 12:12 AKA. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 12:04 Random321321 wrote:
I'm not sure I can buy this until it's stops being about Korea alone, it just isn't fair to single them out just because they have the highest concentration of good players, and more of a gaming culture. This is a misunderstanding that many people are making. We didn't make it about Korea, they did by not allowing us into their league without moving there. It's not a fair system, and is not about the fact that they have the best gamers (that's just what brings it to light). If Koreans let us in via the internet, this would not be as big of a deal.
Many issues
Theres going to be a flamewar because of lag and hacking.
Also if that were the case why wouldn't MLG be online?
Hmm some thinking to do lol
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