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KiWiKaKi, SLush, Phoenix, Spades to Reign - Page 19

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MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 05:23:55
June 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#361
normal VT doesn't have any salaries they just get some LAN support

look at gcpl results, normal VT doesnt deserve salaries
Prime/MarineKing!!! www.twitter.com/DayTripperSC
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#362
On June 15 2011 14:19 MrBitter wrote:
Let's face it... for all the talent in the foreigner scene, there's not a single team that's taken a truly legit stab at running a top-tier house. This is a huge opportunity for everyone involved, and, hopefully, can serve as a standard for things to come from other teams in the future.


EG is doing it very soon. =)

So could you compare it to a team having an A team and B team? Not to downplay the "B teamers", but if the "A team" gets their own house and start playing SC2 very seriously, then they will inevitably become better with some time.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 05:29:21
June 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#363
On June 15 2011 14:23 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 14:19 MrBitter wrote:
Let's face it... for all the talent in the foreigner scene, there's not a single team that's taken a truly legit stab at running a top-tier house. This is a huge opportunity for everyone involved, and, hopefully, can serve as a standard for things to come from other teams in the future.


EG is doing it very soon. =)

So could you compare it to a team having an A team and B team? Not to downplay the "B teamers", but if the "A team" gets their own house and start playing SC2 very seriously, then they will inevitably become better with some time.


This is a fair comparison, but its not quite that cut and dry.

The goal of "Reign" is to be the best team in the foreign scene, and, eventually, maybe even the world.

As what is essentially a subsidiary of "Reign", members of "VT" will have some limited access to the same resources (practice partners, replays, trips to the house) as "Reign", but the two organizations will still be separate entities.
GT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)141 Posts
June 15 2011 05:29 GMT
#364
Reign.Rain
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 15 2011 05:31 GMT
#365
On June 15 2011 14:28 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 14:23 Whole wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:19 MrBitter wrote:
Let's face it... for all the talent in the foreigner scene, there's not a single team that's taken a truly legit stab at running a top-tier house. This is a huge opportunity for everyone involved, and, hopefully, can serve as a standard for things to come from other teams in the future.


EG is doing it very soon. =)

So could you compare it to a team having an A team and B team? Not to downplay the "B teamers", but if the "A team" gets their own house and start playing SC2 very seriously, then they will inevitably become better with some time.


This is a fair comparison, but its not quite that cut and dry.

The goal of "Reign" is to be the best team in the foreign scene, and, eventually, maybe even the world.

As what is essentially a subsidiary of "Reign", members of "VT" will have some limited access to the same resources (practice partners, replays, trips to the house) as "Reign", but the two organizations will still be separate entities.


So could a company sponsor Reign and not VT? Well I guess a sponsor could do whatever they want, but do you see a sponsor doing that, or will you think sponsors will do both teams?
noax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada150 Posts
June 15 2011 05:32 GMT
#366
OMG now i totally root for team Reign! long live to Reign!!
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 15 2011 05:35 GMT
#367
On June 15 2011 14:31 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 14:28 MrBitter wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:23 Whole wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:19 MrBitter wrote:
Let's face it... for all the talent in the foreigner scene, there's not a single team that's taken a truly legit stab at running a top-tier house. This is a huge opportunity for everyone involved, and, hopefully, can serve as a standard for things to come from other teams in the future.


EG is doing it very soon. =)

So could you compare it to a team having an A team and B team? Not to downplay the "B teamers", but if the "A team" gets their own house and start playing SC2 very seriously, then they will inevitably become better with some time.


This is a fair comparison, but its not quite that cut and dry.

The goal of "Reign" is to be the best team in the foreign scene, and, eventually, maybe even the world.

As what is essentially a subsidiary of "Reign", members of "VT" will have some limited access to the same resources (practice partners, replays, trips to the house) as "Reign", but the two organizations will still be separate entities.


So could a company sponsor Reign and not VT? Well I guess a sponsor could do whatever they want, but do you see a sponsor doing that, or will you think sponsors will do both teams?

all he said was VT members will have limited access to the same ressources, nothing to do with sponsors
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 05:37:17
June 15 2011 05:35 GMT
#368
On June 15 2011 14:31 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 14:28 MrBitter wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:23 Whole wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:19 MrBitter wrote:
Let's face it... for all the talent in the foreigner scene, there's not a single team that's taken a truly legit stab at running a top-tier house. This is a huge opportunity for everyone involved, and, hopefully, can serve as a standard for things to come from other teams in the future.


EG is doing it very soon. =)

So could you compare it to a team having an A team and B team? Not to downplay the "B teamers", but if the "A team" gets their own house and start playing SC2 very seriously, then they will inevitably become better with some time.


This is a fair comparison, but its not quite that cut and dry.

The goal of "Reign" is to be the best team in the foreign scene, and, eventually, maybe even the world.

As what is essentially a subsidiary of "Reign", members of "VT" will have some limited access to the same resources (practice partners, replays, trips to the house) as "Reign", but the two organizations will still be separate entities.


So could a company sponsor Reign and not VT? Well I guess a sponsor could do whatever they want, but do you see a sponsor doing that, or will you think sponsors will do both teams?


Yes. At least, so far as I understand it.

Let's put it this way.

Team Liquid wears tiny OGS patches on their jerseys. No one is under the illusion that they are the same team. They are connected. They enjoy mutual respect between their organizations. They are separate.

This will be the case for VT and Reign.

edit: And for the record, its entirely possible that I'm speaking completely out of turn here. Mirhi and Exia are the two guys closest to this whole thing (And maybe Spades...). Sooner or later one of them will make a comment. That's where you guys will find all your concrete answers.
KaBoom300
Profile Joined January 2011
United States225 Posts
June 15 2011 05:38 GMT
#369
Since when has kiwi been called the "mad scientist protoss"? hahaha but this is very awesome! I hope to see this team succeed greatly in the future seeing as how my favorite player ever is on it RESPECT THE KIWI!
Liquid Dota Fighting!
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#370
On June 15 2011 14:35 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 14:31 Whole wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:28 MrBitter wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:23 Whole wrote:
On June 15 2011 14:19 MrBitter wrote:
Let's face it... for all the talent in the foreigner scene, there's not a single team that's taken a truly legit stab at running a top-tier house. This is a huge opportunity for everyone involved, and, hopefully, can serve as a standard for things to come from other teams in the future.


EG is doing it very soon. =)

So could you compare it to a team having an A team and B team? Not to downplay the "B teamers", but if the "A team" gets their own house and start playing SC2 very seriously, then they will inevitably become better with some time.


This is a fair comparison, but its not quite that cut and dry.

The goal of "Reign" is to be the best team in the foreign scene, and, eventually, maybe even the world.

As what is essentially a subsidiary of "Reign", members of "VT" will have some limited access to the same resources (practice partners, replays, trips to the house) as "Reign", but the two organizations will still be separate entities.


So could a company sponsor Reign and not VT? Well I guess a sponsor could do whatever they want, but do you see a sponsor doing that, or will you think sponsors will do both teams?


Yes. At least, so far as I understand it.

Let's put it this way.

Team Liquid wears tiny OGS patches on their jerseys. No one is under the illusion that they are the same team. They are connected. They enjoy mutual respect between their organizations. They are separate.

This will be the case for VT and Reign.

edit: And for the record, its entirely possible that I'm speaking completely out of turn here. Mirhi and Exia are the two guys closest to this whole thing (And maybe Spades...). Sooner or later one of them will make a comment. That's where you guys will find all your concrete answers.


Well thanks for being willing to explain... it is appreciated!

I'll be interested to see how they fund the house though in an expensive city.
RAGEKalin
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria45 Posts
June 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#371
thats just bad .. really bad, Kiwi should finally realized he spent almost an year in little a bit more then avarage team and now this..
uniqueKalin
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 05:44:54
June 15 2011 05:40 GMT
#372
On June 15 2011 14:16 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
The goal of Reign is to fuse the structured professional training regimen of Korea, and couple it with the promotional machine of western E-Sports.

that is kinda of vague... is he talking about a jersey shore type of promotion for the gaming house? i wonder what the revenue source is. unless they picked up some big sponsors, i dont see how the team is sustainable.

Show nested quote +
The long-term goal is to create salaried professionals who become celebrities in the field of professional gaming.

does this mean that the current players are not salaried? Who's paying for a gaming house in San Francisco (fyi very expensive city to live in)?

i realize i sound like a hater, but this business model seems incredible. I do want to see it work though.


Pretty sure Kiwi is given salary at least. I have no proof but it's a reasonable assumption to make as Drewbie said in the root-col thread that Kiwi demands a lot of money to join a team ( and he deserves it of course). That and he hates doing promotional stuff like what EG often makes its players do.

Which makes it very hard for me to understand the harsh criticism by VTPerfect earlier because Kiwi's starpower comes totally from his skill and playstyle and not due to his personality or other stuff outside the game. Slush is also another player who actually stayed under the radar from Root and the only reason he is so highly rated is again because of his results ( especially his phenomenal MLG colombus placing)
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
June 15 2011 05:40 GMT
#373
Wasn't expecting a new team to pop out of nowhere and have Kiwi and Slush join! Should be great to see how Reign does, gl gl!
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 15 2011 05:41 GMT
#374
On June 15 2011 14:39 RAGEKalin wrote:
thats just bad .. really bad, Kiwi should finally realized he spent almost an year in little a bit more then avarage team and now this..

what about you Kalin?
Unnamed Player
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia89 Posts
June 15 2011 05:45 GMT
#375
Some really good signings there and really looking forward to see how Phoenix goes as i think he will surprise many with just how good he really is.

Good luck to all.
fartdra
Profile Joined June 2011
92 Posts
June 15 2011 05:45 GMT
#376
let's be real for once in this thread, this team looks pretty weak. doubt they will accomplish much.
quirky2000
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia50 Posts
June 15 2011 05:50 GMT
#377
Nice work guys, gl in future tournaments.

Also, hot name / logo (y)
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
June 15 2011 05:50 GMT
#378
On June 15 2011 14:45 fartdra wrote:
let's be real for once in this thread, this team looks pretty weak. doubt they will accomplish much.


Kiwi can probably make some waves, and SlusH a few himself, but realistically i doubt we'll see much from Phoenix, Spades, or Fayth
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
RoMGraViTy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States314 Posts
June 15 2011 05:54 GMT
#379
On June 15 2011 14:50 sAfuRos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 14:45 fartdra wrote:
let's be real for once in this thread, this team looks pretty weak. doubt they will accomplish much.


Kiwi can probably make some waves, and SlusH a few himself, but realistically i doubt we'll see much from Phoenix, Spades, or Fayth



You must not have seen Phoenix play much late beta/early release. He was such a strong zerg before the "incident". I am thrilled to see him back on a solid team.Phoenix Fighting!
"Khaldor is a younger version of Goro from Mortal Kombat" - Tasteless
magicallypuzzled
Profile Joined June 2011
United States588 Posts
June 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#380
On June 15 2011 14:45 fartdra wrote:
let's be real for once in this thread, this team looks pretty weak. doubt they will accomplish much.

may i just say i love the name it cracks me up.
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