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NaDa, MKP out of DH Summer 2011 - Page 19

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rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
June 15 2011 05:18 GMT
#361
damn i really wanted to see nada at a live foreign tournament
jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
June 15 2011 05:36 GMT
#362
I cannot help but laugh at all the people that honestly do not see a true disparity between top tier foreigner skill and top tier Korean skill.

1. To all the kids that constantly reference Dimaga beating Nestea, Idra's Ro8, and Jinro's double Ro4, stop. Really just stop, you are embarassing yourself. That is as relevant as referencing Fruitdealer's GSL 1 run and claiming that because of those specific games he is a top level zerg (which i do not consider him one). All of those, with the exception of Dimaga vs Nestea (even that was a while ago) WERE MONTHS AGO. The game has changed VASTLY. Look at Jinro, he is stuck in the past. Sure it may have been good BACK THEN, but the Koreans have evolved at a terrifying speed. Where is Jinro in all this? He's stuck with his terrible losing streak. As for IdrA, what has he done? Stomped Americans in IPL? Gone 6-3 in NASL? Tilting against real players in MLG? Cute.

Also to Dimaga vs Nestea. Keep these points in mind. The Koreans walked in the WC expecting to ROLL these kids. They didn't have specific builds outside of the usual, nothing new, nothing special. In fact many of them hid their trained builds for the ACTUAL GSL. Dimaga and the majority of the foreigners came into the WC with practiced builds to snipe all the top koreans. The Majority of the koreans admitted that they had no idea who the majority of those foreigners were.

2. Everyone foreigner that has come to a korean event has almost been stomped into the dust and then driven out. Jinro could not sustain his spot, nor could MoonGlade and Ret. Huk barely made it through but for how long? The thing is the Koreans improve at an UNFATHOMABLE RATE, and with a consistency that is just damn frightening. MakaPrime, Poltprime, Nhs_san, MMA, DRG, Losira, Inca, Zenio, July, Top, SC; ALL of them were thought to be one trick ponies. Now they are all pretty damn consistent, the majority of them holding S class (which is damn hard to sustain).

3. People note how top foreigners can hold their own against top Koreans. Ya, MAYBE in 1 Bo5, but who are these top foreigners people constantly mention? ThorZain, Naniwa, IdrA (and now Nerchio/Dimaga/etc). Yes, Thorzain, Naniwa, and IdrA are damn good. Yes Naniwa and Thorzain are new Sc2 talent for foreigners. But in the time it took to get those 2 Korea spouted out DRG, Ryung, MMA, Gumiho, the whole MVP bracket,. The resurgence of players thought dead like SC, Maka, Inca, Polt, San, etc. Not to mention the scary talent still in code B like Seed, Yongwha, Squirtle, etc that we saw but havent splashed too big in the scene. EVERY GSTL we see this terrifying new line up of players that just blow our minds. We think "HOW DID WE NOT KNOW OF THESE PEOPLE?" This is what Korea has. We have a FEW names that can come even close to contending, very small bits of new blood to attempt at the scene, and just as many names that just fade and die.

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JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
June 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#363
Ahhh Now that we've vented all our Koreans v Europe v Idra frustration,

Should foreign tournaments invite DongRaeGu? What about MVP_Keen? orrrrr Random player: MVP_GuineaPig!!

Oh my, I'd like to see Leenock's older (and plumper) 'brother' GumihofOu! Gumiho has an epic Terran mech-heavy build.

Anyhow, DRG anyone?
appletree
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark109 Posts
June 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#364
Ouch ! That hurts... No nada..
a
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
June 15 2011 05:42 GMT
#365
There goes my chance at high-fiving the god himself...;_;
#freeshauni
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
June 15 2011 05:46 GMT
#366
though i think the gap between foreigners and korea isn't as far apart like BW in terms of skill. the game is only 1 year old.

Everyone's happily debating about whos better koreans or foreigners....

2 years later: Jaedong and Flash appears.

now when they appear... LOL. gg. you'll see perfection in sc2
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 15 2011 05:56 GMT
#367
On June 15 2011 14:46 xza wrote:
though i think the gap between foreigners and korea isn't as far apart like BW in terms of skill. the game is only 1 year old.

Everyone's happily debating about whos better koreans or foreigners....

2 years later: Jaedong and Flash appears.

now when they appear... LOL. gg. you'll see perfection in sc2


Are you actually trying to troll these sheep into the SC2 vs Broodwar discussion, that's already been had several times?
Dude.. Not cool.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Trakz
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada178 Posts
June 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#368
Damn No NaDa. I want to see Nestea though.
None shall take if undeserved
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 15 2011 06:05 GMT
#369
Grrr, I wanted to see MKP at dreamhack!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
June 15 2011 06:17 GMT
#370
On June 15 2011 12:31 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 08:23 Skwid1g wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:
[quote]

What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on...

And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals.

It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit.


What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better.

nope. they got stomped in TSL3.


TSL3 was online, which ends that argument.

No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ


yes it does, get out troll.
350 ping vs 30 ping.

try it.

ps:

TSL3:
everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea'
Korea: but it was lag
everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL.

MLG Columbus
everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow.
Korea: told you it was lag.
everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil*


Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss.

If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure.


This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close.


The few games I mentioned? What? People like you honestly baffle me, Idra could win a GSL and you would cry about how Koreans are still so much better with no real evidence.

Most of the games Idra lost during that tournament (to Koreans) were games he was winning, but just decided to leave because he is Idra. He was ahead vs. MMA and completely stomped MC.


yeah, idrA can be considered Korean since he practice over there for three years and do the same practice routine (10+ hours per day) that none the foreigener do

Show nested quote +

Naniwa lost because he /danced and then because of a BO loss, not because he got outplayed.


yes, he danced when he's not 100% winning. say something about the different mentality between them isnt it ?

Show nested quote +

Losira almost lost to iNcontrol, who I wouldn't label as the strongest foreigner (no offense to him) at MLG.

playing with faulty keyboard in game 1 and mouse only on game 2

Show nested quote +

Jinro and Idra both performed well in the GSL, even though Idra was a lot worse back then. World Championship had the foreigners lose by only 1 game against a team with Nestea, MC, MvP, etc. on it, and the foreign team was quite weak in all honesty.


Jinro and idrA practice the same way as the Korean and that show in their result
also Jinro was one of the first to come up with macro terran style back then when nobody else have a way of dealing with it but now that everybody else have start to do the same he started to fade (quoted from idrA on inside the game)

the WC tournament team games is a showmatch. Thats why the korean send their (arguably) 4 weakest player on day 1, if they start with July,MC, MVP, Nestea on day 1 there wont be a day 2

Show nested quote +


You'll just constantly make excuses for the Koreans so this is sort of a waste of time, but your logic isn't sound in any way. You're taking 1 event where Koreans BARELY managed to take 1/2/3 and then say "KOREANS ARE SO MUCH BETTER LOLOL."


if by barely you mean got the top 3 and only got eliminated by a fellow korean

Show nested quote +

With that being said, the difference between foreigners and Koreans won't remain small for long, as I can almost guarantee that the top Koreans are practicing much harder than top foreigners.


all the Korean (except maybe FruitDealer, he need to stop drinking) are practicing much harder than top foreigners


Holy fuck I agree with you but stop with those fucking smileys like you're being clever.
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
June 15 2011 06:39 GMT
#371
I want MMA...
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
June 15 2011 07:43 GMT
#372
No MKP ='(
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
June 15 2011 08:45 GMT
#373
On June 15 2011 14:36 jcc wrote:
I cannot help but laugh at all the people that honestly do not see a true disparity between top tier foreigner skill and top tier Korean skill.

1. To all the kids that constantly reference Dimaga beating Nestea, Idra's Ro8, and Jinro's double Ro4, stop. Really just stop, you are embarassing yourself. That is as relevant as referencing Fruitdealer's GSL 1 run and claiming that because of those specific games he is a top level zerg (which i do not consider him one). All of those, with the exception of Dimaga vs Nestea (even that was a while ago) WERE MONTHS AGO. The game has changed VASTLY. Look at Jinro, he is stuck in the past. Sure it may have been good BACK THEN, but the Koreans have evolved at a terrifying speed. Where is Jinro in all this? He's stuck with his terrible losing streak. As for IdrA, what has he done? Stomped Americans in IPL? Gone 6-3 in NASL? Tilting against real players in MLG? Cute.

Also to Dimaga vs Nestea. Keep these points in mind. The Koreans walked in the WC expecting to ROLL these kids. They didn't have specific builds outside of the usual, nothing new, nothing special. In fact many of them hid their trained builds for the ACTUAL GSL. Dimaga and the majority of the foreigners came into the WC with practiced builds to snipe all the top koreans. The Majority of the koreans admitted that they had no idea who the majority of those foreigners were.

2. Everyone foreigner that has come to a korean event has almost been stomped into the dust and then driven out. Jinro could not sustain his spot, nor could MoonGlade and Ret. Huk barely made it through but for how long? The thing is the Koreans improve at an UNFATHOMABLE RATE, and with a consistency that is just damn frightening. MakaPrime, Poltprime, Nhs_san, MMA, DRG, Losira, Inca, Zenio, July, Top, SC; ALL of them were thought to be one trick ponies. Now they are all pretty damn consistent, the majority of them holding S class (which is damn hard to sustain).

3. People note how top foreigners can hold their own against top Koreans. Ya, MAYBE in 1 Bo5, but who are these top foreigners people constantly mention? ThorZain, Naniwa, IdrA (and now Nerchio/Dimaga/etc). Yes, Thorzain, Naniwa, and IdrA are damn good. Yes Naniwa and Thorzain are new Sc2 talent for foreigners. But in the time it took to get those 2 Korea spouted out DRG, Ryung, MMA, Gumiho, the whole MVP bracket,. The resurgence of players thought dead like SC, Maka, Inca, Polt, San, etc. Not to mention the scary talent still in code B like Seed, Yongwha, Squirtle, etc that we saw but havent splashed too big in the scene. EVERY GSTL we see this terrifying new line up of players that just blow our minds. We think "HOW DID WE NOT KNOW OF THESE PEOPLE?" This is what Korea has. We have a FEW names that can come even close to contending, very small bits of new blood to attempt at the scene, and just as many names that just fade and die.



precisely. it would be nice (but i would be surprised) if all foreigners respected this fact.
*burp*
DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
June 15 2011 09:31 GMT
#374
I want to cry MKP why?!
"1 base. Cheese man." - MKP. "[MVP] is not stylistic, his style is winning, which is the style you want to have." - Artosis
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
June 15 2011 09:32 GMT
#375
Can someone confirm this? Nada has an exam coming up and mkp is helping polt practice?
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 09:52:22
June 15 2011 09:51 GMT
#376
On June 15 2011 14:39 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Ahhh Now that we've vented all our Koreans v Europe v Idra frustration,

Should foreign tournaments invite DongRaeGu? What about MVP_Keen? orrrrr Random player: MVP_GuineaPig!!

Oh my, I'd like to see Leenock's older (and plumper) 'brother' GumihofOu! Gumiho has an epic Terran mech-heavy build.

Anyhow, DRG anyone?


DRG originally planned to go to dreamhack but then he changed his mind because of GSL qualifiers

On June 15 2011 18:32 Dante08 wrote:
Can someone confirm this? Nada has an exam coming up and mkp is helping polt practice?


I can confirm that Nada not going because of exams
kratos-23
Profile Joined March 2011
303 Posts
June 15 2011 10:00 GMT
#377
On June 15 2011 08:22 Nerdslayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 08:18 ch33psh33p wrote:
On June 15 2011 08:13 Skwid1g wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:58 xza wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:56 Maliris wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:55 zeenix1 wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:53 Maliris wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:46 oxxo wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:42 Karakaxe wrote:
On June 15 2011 03:19 antelope591 wrote:
[quote]

Maybe not 10x but the post he was replying to was a lot more idiotic. How many more foreign events do koreans have to sweep before people get the picture? Too bad MKP isn't attending he finally could've won an event -_-. MC/Bomber will still take 1/2 tho unless they meet earlier on. The rest is up for grabs imo


What picture? It's already known (ofcourse there are exceptions) that Koreans are overall abit better than foreigners due to their way of practising (team houses) and so on...

And saying MC/Bomber is auto 1 and 2 spots... They are freaking amazing players and are favourites, that's about it. I admit I would be very shocked if they didn't get 1/2 in their groups but I would not be suprised if none of them reached the finals.

It's so sad to read that so many people put Koreans on a fucking pedestal, when the margin is alot closer than they want to admit.


What's more truthful is that many foreigners such as yourself are in denial about how much better Koreans are than foreigners. Who cares what race they are? Just look at the skill level. Overall, Koreans are far better.

nope. they got stomped in TSL3.


TSL3 was online, which ends that argument.

No, it does not actually. Thanks for trying champ


yes it does, get out troll.
350 ping vs 30 ping.

try it.

ps:

TSL3:
everyone: LOLOLOL 'white dudes own korea'
Korea: but it was lag
everyone: BUT YOU LOST! LOLOLOLOL.

MLG Columbus
everyone: wow.... we are way behind the koreans... 1st/2nd/3rd all koreans. koreans only lost to koreans in columbus... wow.
Korea: told you it was lag.
everyone: *starts thread about people getting owned at homesoil*


Idra could have easily taken at least 3rd had he not given up. Thorzain also could have probably placed higher on a different day, same with Naniwa who pretty much /danced his way to a loss.

If anything I'd say that Columbus's close games pretty much proved the difference between Koreans and Foreigners is pretty small. Top Koreans aren't much better than top foreigners (yet), however, Korea has a much more robust scene for sure.


This is why foreign fanboys are so cute. Keep on deluding yourself, outside of the few games you mentioned, most weren't even close.



Hahah Korean elitist crap,

Only reason why the koreans are mass declining dreamhack is becuase they affraid to get there ass kicked by the top EU pro´s and they should be affraid considering Dimaga kicked the crap out of Nestea.

I woulnt be supriced if GomTv told the koreans players not to go becuase they affriad what would happend if all the koreans lost and they lose there little number 1 sc2 tournament.

to say that after #1,#2 and #3 going to koreans at mlg just two weeks ago is fuckin hilarious.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 15 2011 10:43 GMT
#378
Someone should really let these people know that dimaga was 2-2 vs Nestea across the event and that he won by 6 pooling. And yet these same people laugh at rain and inca for being cheesy.
goodistar
Profile Joined May 2011
France51 Posts
June 15 2011 11:10 GMT
#379
- fruitdealer + Xlord
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 15 2011 11:16 GMT
#380
just read on a german site that X lord is replacing fruitdealer

and yes i expect koreans to take this tournament, too. Maybe not as dominant as @ mlg because there are more high caliber players of the foreign scene present and some of the mid tier korean players so we shoudlnt expect koreans only getting knocked out by non koreans.
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