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imPERSONater
United States1324 Posts
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:00 JayDee_ wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered, if MC still has time to catch a flight to MLG why couldn't Bomber get a 2nd flight? He has emigration exit visa problems, something to do with those 3 words, emigration exit visa lol | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:04 sc14s wrote: as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months. Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team. Yes he's not the best out there. Nestea is currently performing better than him. MVP is performing equally but still losing a lot as well, and he lost to Ganzi who isn't even known for his TvT. I am not arguing with you saying he is the best out there, I am arguing with you saying that the other players who have done less than him are scarier than him. It was a bad build order loss, and stupid play by him aggressively expanding, that has nothing to do with inflexibility. I've seen him down nexus first, 1 gate expand, 2 gate expand, 3 gate expand, voidray expand, phoenix expand, 3 gate dt expand, 1 gate dt expand, 2 gate robo, 3 gate robo. That's not inflexible play. He popularized tons of new builds that protoss use, in fact. It's completely in your right to have an opinion on who is better, but it's kind of silly to me. MMA lost to Huk 2-0 in the up and downs and Huk himself will tell you MC is the superior protoss. You even said MC got his 'ass kicked' as if he got largely outplayed, when his recent losses have been build order losses in the early game (his delayed four gate against alicia's 3 gate robo, taking a second gas against Alicia's aggressive 4gate which made his warpins significantly behind, being unable to deal with Polt's early pressure). That's not an ass kicking, that's build order losses. Casters will try to tell you that the other player is doing so amazing, overwhelming MC, omg what an upset, oh look that probe blocked a zealot that is the most amazing micro I've ever seen, but 99% of the time any other player would lose in that situation too. However I will agree with you that Slayers are doing amazing. Alicia taking out MC and Ganzi taking out MVP. Just wish that they hadn't been mirror matches, would have been funner to watch Alicia v MVP rematch and MC Ganzi. | ||
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Legend`
Canada381 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:08 Kantutan wrote: ...And that series was played online and with lag anyways. As much as I love MC and expect him to destroy MLG..... Your statement is retarded... it was 'online' but both players played on the EU server(MC was at dream hack, playing in sweden which has arguably the best internet in EU, so lag was not a factor.) That being said that was played with Thorzain having ample time to prepare and MC not knowing how EU/Na players play.. For this tourny I expect nothing short of complete dominance from MC... The 'TRUE' god of war will have reign supreme! MC HWAITING | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
Forum would have gone up in flames. | ||
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Snerren
Sweden58 Posts
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:04 sc14s wrote: as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months. Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team. Inflexible you say ? really ? ask that to Tastosis or protoss players out there... btw, you said Bomber was "much more scary" why is that ?? why is it "much more" the only problem is his confident which everyone knows... overconfident doesnt help you much as shown in last GSL against Polt where he lost 0-2 due to stupid fast nexus build in both game. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:12 Heavenly wrote: Yes he's not the best out there. Nestea is currently performing better than him. MVP is performing equally but still losing a lot as well, and he lost to Ganzi who isn't even known for his TvT. I am not arguing with you saying he is the best out there, I am arguing with you saying that the other players who have done less than him are scarier than him. It was a bad build order loss, and stupid play by him aggressively expanding, that has nothing to do with inflexibility. I've seen him down nexus first, 1 gate expand, 2 gate expand, 3 gate expand, voidray expand, phoenix expand, 3 gate dt expand, 1 gate dt expand, 2 gate robo, 3 gate robo. That's not inflexible play. He popularized tons of new builds that protoss use, in fact. It's completely in your right to have an opinion on who is better, but it's kind of silly to me. MMA lost to Huk 2-0 in the up and downs and Huk himself will tell you MC is the superior protoss. You even said MC got his 'ass kicked' as if he got largely outplayed, when his recent losses have been build order losses in the early game (his delayed four gate against alicia's 3 gate robo, taking a second gas against Alicia's aggressive 4gate which made his warpins significantly behind, being unable to deal with Polt's early pressure). That's not an ass kicking, that's build order losses. I would say personally that selecting the correct build order is in fact a very important skill and if you select the wrong BO, yes you got your ass kicked because you are making bad tactical decisions, perhaps there needs to be more effort in getting it right.. again i said hes good, hes great mechanically and his macro and micro are great.. but again hes obviously got a fatal flaw if he continually loses by doing the wrong BOs. This is why i feel nestea is a better player, he has been, from what ive seen anyways in recent history, to be a very flexible player, as has MVP and many other players, i feel being able to throw out new bo's every game vs someone is important to keep the enemy guessing as they dont know exactly what you are doing. a loss is a loss and i suspect MC will be getting more losses the same way he has been losing recently.. by picking wrong BOs for the situation. hey, i could be proved wrong at MLG this weekend but i really feel he wont be taking #1 @ MLG this time around. Quote me for later i could be wrong, but i feel i wont be  | ||
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Godstorm
Romania845 Posts
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kenkaze291
United States92 Posts
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Apoo
413 Posts
I missed that totally ... TT | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames. To win the tournament he was most likely going to run into a strong protoss like Kiwi or Nani so he wont be fully unprepared. Dropping a series in the group play isn't the end of the world. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:19 MrProb wrote: Inflexible you say ? really ? ask that to Tastosis or protoss players out there... btw, you said Bomber was "much more scary" why is that ?? why is it "much more" the only problem is his confident which everyone knows... overconfident doesnt help you much as shown in last GSL against Polt where he lost 0-2 due to stupid fast nexus build in both game. would'nt the example you have just stated prove that in fact he was being inflexible, sure for his "over confidence" if thats what you think it was, prove in fact that hes being inflexible? sure as hell seems it to me when you try to do the same losing build twice vs a player who is known for agression.. | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
On the other hand he's muthafuckin' MC and will probably at the very least smash his way through to the late stages of the championship bracket. | ||
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TDN
United States133 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames. This is so true, yet it makes me LOL at the same time... everyone will say 'poor Idra had no time to prepare' yet, MC has just as little preparation time if not even less time actually, seeing as at least Idra knew he was going to compete in this tournament,,, MC is taking this on last second no preparation for his group/ the ENTIRE tournament, and yet when he beats Idra(and he will) it will all be blamed on Idra not having proper preparation... | ||
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rbx270j
Canada540 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:10 tyCe wrote: Somebody will cannon rush MC out of the open bracket imo he'd have to be in the open bracket for that. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 02 2011 16:15 Legend` wrote: As a protoss player I definitely prefer MC over bomber, gl to everyone else there :p As not a Protoss player I'm still happy with this. Since now we get a Korean of each race instead of two T and two Z. | ||
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