Translation courtesy of Milkis: "I get to go to MLG as a pinch hitter for bomber. I got the message in the morning and it's a 7 o clock flight so i'm getting ready kekeke. Since i'm going, I'm gonna win!"
July won CSN Clash of the Houses so he will be going into the Open Bracket at MLG as well.
I actually was going to go to columbus.. but I doubted I would meet any koreans, so I killed my plans... all for naught. OHH what has the world come to?????????????????????????????
Wow. This event is so great! I'm glad they found a replacement for Bomber so quickly, it would have been really disappointing for Idra to just get a free win.
Google translation of his tweet: "MLG is going to release intelligence in a pinch .. Talking to be notified on the morning of 7 fertilizer row ㅋ ㅋ gangime preparing to win!" I guess MLG's gonna release the news soon?
Edit: He's getting on his flight at 7 according to Milkis
I swear, if I manage to meet MC and July in addition to all of the NA/EU players I've been following, this entire summer will be worth it before I start working full time. I hate to say it, but this is way crazier than Bomber/July (for me anyways). Thanks for the twitter update for those of us that can't read them.
I can imagine how delighted Idra must've been when he heard that Bomber won't be making it to MLG and then subsequently raging when he found out Bomber has been replaced by MC. LOLOLOL
meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
I'm guessing since MC has actually been out of Korea in the past few months for Dreamhack and other events, he won't have the troubles that Bomber had who probably hasn't been out of Korea.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
lolwut. Bomber is good but MC has beat him in the past and MC is 2x GSL champion compared to Bomber being Code A champion. Plus everyone in North America screams about Protoss being imbalanced whereas they get crushed most of the time in Korea, so the best Protoss coming should be scarier than another of the many amazing terrans.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
One won 2 Code S tournaments, the other won Code A which isn't nearly as prestigious. I love Bomber but please don't talk bullshit. MC has destroyed Code S and p much every top EU player(at Dreamhack)
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
Yeah.. I mean MC has only crushed face at both the foreign lans he attended....
When they said bomber was unable to make it, I was sad because I didn't think they'd get a player of his caliber to replace him, but I'm happy I was wrong! GL MC!
Oh u MC, oh well like sad that Bomber isn't going but now like MLG will really be fun because hes quite entertaining and has a great personality. Plus he'll meet up again with the liquid players who were at korea.
If Idra has to face MC first round that will be stupid. One of his hardest opponents up first and suddenly, oh its not Bomber anymore, oh and its a Protoss, have fun for the entire tournament Idra.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
MC July finals - 4-1, 6 gate pushin for the win That one is on terminus :D
But, I don't know honestly if we will see both koreans in the finals. Maybe not even one, if Thorzain will work MC (not sure if Thorzain is in MLG ) peace
Guys we should all be thanking MLG Lee. I mean come on...it was like less than 3 hours ago that we heard that Bomber missed his flight...couple hours later they get the biggest Toss baller in Korea to come to MLG...PROPS
anyone else a little disappointed that july(who won a very difficult csn) has to go through the open bracket while mc, who didn't really do anything except get lucky(I realize this could be said for the original 4 invites but there was no csn winner to compare it to), takes bombers place? At least switch the two around =(
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
On June 02 2011 14:59 Vorlik wrote: anyone else a little disappointed that july(who won a very difficult csn) has to go through the open bracket while mc, who didn't really do anything except get lucky(I realize this could be said for the original 4 invites but there was no csn winner to compare it to), takes bombers place? At least switch the two around =(
In that case, what have any of the Korean invites done compared to July to deserve the direct seeding? Hopefully MC just deleted the tweet because he's waiting for MLG to announce it officially :/
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
Just ignore him. He's bored and just wants to start something.
MLG cannot afford any stream issues. This event is turning into a perfect storm. They have to nail this. After the last MLG event I was sure I would never let the hype get to me. I told myself I wouldn't hang around trying to watch games that would likely not happen. I just don't think I can pull myself away from the computer. I have to see.
On June 02 2011 14:59 Vorlik wrote: anyone else a little disappointed that july(who won a very difficult csn) has to go through the open bracket while mc, who didn't really do anything except get lucky(I realize this could be said for the original 4 invites but there was no csn winner to compare it to), takes bombers place? At least switch the two around =(
I agree in principle but quite frankly, for these guys, the open bracket is no more than a bunch of easy ladder games. Some warmup for their real games :p
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
Wait, lemme get this straight. Bomber just got smoked by NesTea and has no experience in foreign LANs, and you say Bomber will do better than MC at MLG? What are you basing this on?
On June 02 2011 15:00 RBKeys wrote: My question is: Why wasn't MC invited to begin with? MLG is going to be sweet!
My theory, judging from the players that were picked in the first place, is that they wanted young blood in Korea's first major foray into North America in SC2. This way if they win everyone praises Korea's talent and is fearful of the bigger titans (Nestea MVP MC MKP). And if they fail people can say "no worries none of those guys have even played a Code S game yet LOL Korea still best!!"
Iunno or I could be completely crazy and they were just randomly picked.
Good then Yaotzin, let them play in the open bracket; who cares? I really have little to no doubt that they'll probably smash through it, but for a random fan to play against July or MC or something that's what its all about. Would be really awesome.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
On June 02 2011 14:59 Vorlik wrote: anyone else a little disappointed that july(who won a very difficult csn) has to go through the open bracket while mc, who didn't really do anything except get lucky(I realize this could be said for the original 4 invites but there was no csn winner to compare it to), takes bombers place? At least switch the two around =(
I agree in principle but quite frankly, for these guys, the open bracket is no more than a bunch of easy ladder games. Some warmup for their real games :p
Columbus is going to be a european invasion man, these won't be the dallas open brackets.. I guess we'll have to see exactly who faces who when the brackets are released but don't rule out July running into someone like Thorzain or DeMu
On June 02 2011 14:55 Milkis wrote: hmmm, MC deleted his tweet.
The plot thickens...
Gonna be interesting to see how this ESPORTS drama ends.
what if MC is just trolling us lol
I'm guessing MLG wanted to be the first to officially announce this news. Would definitely have brought them more favor with the fans if they did.
Well then MLG should be throwing it out soon because the longer they wait, the more speculation will stir up and that's never good. More time = more drama/disappointment
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
In case you weren't aware, MC is only good at 2 base timing attacks.
I REALLY hope that MC was not trolling everyone lol. When I saw his Tweet was gone it made me worry. I wish I did not work all weekend. I wanna watch Colombus SO BAD. I would literary just vegetate on my PC chair all day haha. O well I will VOD it. Hope everything goes well for MLG this time around.
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On June 02 2011 14:41 Whole wrote: MC is replacing bomber...mc vs idra...=]
I'd say Select is the most likely to take games off or even beat MC, MC's PvZ is much better than his PvT and IdrA's ZvP is not as good as SeleCT's TvP
On June 02 2011 15:12 Corrik wrote: If MC is taking Bomber's place then the Koreans should be re-seeded. I mean they are seeded based upon GSL points. MC should be first then.
You can't do that, it's not fair to the other competitors who have prepared for the other koreans.
It seems unfair if a non-terran gets to replace Bomber, so if it actually is true, it doesn't seem fair for the people in the group. Read as, "I wish better players than Bomber didn't replace him, lowering Idra's chances at winning ".
Really though, this is gonna be amazing! MC taking Bomber's spot is gonna make that group ridiculous, and July coming over will make this so awesome, I wish I could go D:
Was sad about Bomber not being able to come over to MLG, but this definitely makes up for the loss of Bomber. July is a legend and MC is entertaining as hell. Good luck to both of them.
On June 02 2011 15:25 okuraku wrote: MLG twitter makes a Freudian slip:
MLG Major League Gaming The God of War, July, has won the @CyberSportsNet Final 8 and will be attending #MLGColumbus. http://bit.ly/laMzp9
MC is sometimes called Kratos - The God of War, not July unless I'm mistaken
July has be called the God of War for much longer than MC has been called the Kratos Protoss. MC's title only has existed since his GSL3 victory. July's title has existed since his BW days.
On June 02 2011 15:12 Corrik wrote: If MC is taking Bomber's place then the Koreans should be re-seeded. I mean they are seeded based upon GSL points. MC should be first then.
You can't do that, it's not fair to the other competitors who have prepared for the other koreans.
It would be even less fair to Group C that their group is the only group that has a new player thrown into it.
It would be fairer to re-seed and have a new korean in each group.
I really hope they reseed or put MC in the open bracket. It is cruel to change the race of Idra's first opponent so close to game time. Would like to hear his opinion though, unless it's just that he's going to lose because FF is OP. Also cruel in that others in the group may have to rethink their plans, like Tyler not facing another protoss until now.
On June 02 2011 15:38 EnderCraft wrote: Its odd that July is able to get on a flight, but not bomber. I guess it was a matter of logistics, one ticket, one seat I guess.
On June 02 2011 15:38 EnderCraft wrote: Its odd that July is able to get on a flight, but not bomber. I guess it was a matter of logistics, one ticket, one seat I guess.
It was customs/passport/visa issues, nothing to do with tickets.
On June 02 2011 15:38 EnderCraft wrote: Its odd that July is able to get on a flight, but not bomber. I guess it was a matter of logistics, one ticket, one seat I guess.
On June 02 2011 15:35 tapauly wrote: I really hope they reseed or put MC in the open bracket. It is cruel to change the race of Idra's first opponent so close to game time. Would like to hear his opinion though, unless it's just that he's going to lose because FF is OP. Also cruel in that others in the group may have to rethink their plans, like Tyler not facing another protoss until now.
It's not as if MC had some kind of advantage. Think of it as the 2nd/3rd/4th round of any random lan tournament where both players did not get a chance to prepare against each other. What's so cruel about that?
On June 02 2011 15:35 tapauly wrote: I really hope they reseed or put MC in the open bracket. It is cruel to change the race of Idra's first opponent so close to game time. Would like to hear his opinion though, unless it's just that he's going to lose because FF is OP. Also cruel in that others in the group may have to rethink their plans, like Tyler not facing another protoss until now.
I can't wait for MC to WTFPWN Idra I am praying for some insane BM for HuK, Idra is such a cry baby! Incoming a million excuses/balance whine/Balance QQ for LR threads! Zerg tears will be delicious after this!
My prediction: MC Rapes(Yes I used this word on purpose) Idra, Afterwords the LR thread fills with Retarded balance/all in whine... Folowed by a QQ fest match interview with Idra, leading to a more QQ filled LR thread with every protoss win!!
On June 02 2011 15:28 vol_ wrote: Holy shit does this mean IdrA v MC?
They've played eachother before in the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. Just thought i'd point that out since alot of people seem to think it's the first time. Idra actually made MC look mortal.
For those saying reseed the group, it does not make sense. It's now fair in that group because just as the rest of the members couldn't prepare for MC, MC also had no way to prepare for the rest. And all of them are expecting an open bracket qualifier anyway so they should be prepared for all races.
On June 02 2011 15:28 vol_ wrote: Holy shit does this mean IdrA v MC?
They've played eachother before in the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. Just thought i'd point that out since alot of people seem to think it's the first time. Idra actually made MC look mortal.
er... MC beat Idra in a great game one, and then Idra cried and tried to 6-pool in the second
On June 02 2011 15:35 tapauly wrote: I really hope they reseed or put MC in the open bracket. It is cruel to change the race of Idra's first opponent so close to game time. Would like to hear his opinion though, unless it's just that he's going to lose because FF is OP. Also cruel in that others in the group may have to rethink their plans, like Tyler not facing another protoss until now.
A pro player who go to LAN event should expect to face all races and any opponent to take the final. That's the different between online and offline tourney. I don't think everyone should have a chance like ThorZain did in TSL3, plenty of time to ready for it.
oGsMC has really good out of Korea results comparatively to his gsl performances lately. I want to see him play at his best, ^^ fun games smashing foreigners or not.
On June 02 2011 15:28 vol_ wrote: Holy shit does this mean IdrA v MC?
They've played eachother before in the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. Just thought i'd point that out since alot of people seem to think it's the first time. Idra actually made MC look mortal.
er... MC beat Idra in a great game one, and then Idra cried and tried to 6-pool in the second
Still Idra had the first game in the bag till he decided to go full retard and and let MC roll him. He looked like the better player in the lategame, and could probably rape (yes i said it) MC if he could only get over his mental cockblocks.
On June 02 2011 15:42 bwally wrote: don't care for koreans whatever
Are you friends with the guy who founded the All White Basketball League? I mean you probably want fundamentals to return basketball, right? Players you can relate to right?
On June 02 2011 15:28 vol_ wrote: Holy shit does this mean IdrA v MC?
They've played eachother before in the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. Just thought i'd point that out since alot of people seem to think it's the first time. Idra actually made MC look mortal.
er... MC beat Idra in a great game one, and then Idra cried and tried to 6-pool in the second
Still Idra had the first game in the bag till he decided to go full retard and and let MC roll him. He looked like the better player in the lategame, and could probably rape (yes i said it) MC if he could only get over his mental cockblocks.
There was maybe one point in time where he could have beaten MC if he pushed but MC could have also held it and IdrA didn't risk it. Watch the game again. While MC may have been trading armies, that is only good for zerg when it's not 4 normal bases to 4 protoss bases including a gold. Rewatch the game before making statements like this. It was equal until it tipped slightly in IdrA's favor at one point, then tipped back in MC's favor when he won while losing about 15 supply. This is after IdrA's risky third in the beginning that set him far ahead, so he played better in the early game, equal in the mid, then got destroyed in the late game. Don't listen to somewhat misinformed casters overhyping a situation.
I don't understand. does that mean bomber is not going to mlg? anyways, im a huge mc fan and i cant wait to see him prove that he's still the best toss :3
On June 02 2011 15:28 vol_ wrote: Holy shit does this mean IdrA v MC?
They've played eachother before in the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. Just thought i'd point that out since alot of people seem to think it's the first time. Idra actually made MC look mortal.
er... MC beat Idra in a great game one, and then Idra cried and tried to 6-pool in the second
Still Idra had the first game in the bag till he decided to go full retard and and let MC roll him. He looked like the better player in the lategame, and could probably rape (yes i said it) MC if he could only get over his mental cockblocks.
After 4 years of progaming Idra still have mental cockblocks?
I'd love to see both MC and Bomber on MLG,since they both lost in super tournament. Also thanks to person who spoiled July as a winner 8 hours ago.I didnt believe it until 5th game,so sorry for Taeja,he will win gsl one day.
On June 02 2011 16:00 JayDee_ wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered, if MC still has time to catch a flight to MLG why couldn't Bomber get a 2nd flight?
Is July going to be fighting through the open bracket or will he be going straight to the championship bracket? Sorry if I this has already been answered but I don't feel like shifting through 15 pages of "Cool!" posts.
I was really sad when it said that Bomber couldn't get on his flight, but now that MC is going to MLG all I can say is HYPE HYPE HYPE! (Oh and also, good luck to Idra, who was so excited when he found out Bomber wasn't in is group, but now it's MC )
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months.
Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team.
On June 02 2011 16:00 JayDee_ wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered, if MC still has time to catch a flight to MLG why couldn't Bomber get a 2nd flight?
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
I guess we'll see how MC does at MLG.
Was gonna reply to that post but ur post pretty much summed up my opinion. Going to add that MC has GSL to practice in mind (even if it was offseason or he was eliminated) and more important during that time DreamHack so he could careless about Thorzain (as in not that focused on that particular match).
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
I guess we'll see how MC does at MLG.
...And that series was played online and with lag anyways.
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
I guess we'll see how MC does at MLG.
...And that series was played online and with lag anyways.
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
I guess we'll see how MC does at MLG.
...And that series was played online and with lag anyways.
MC was in Europe at the time, lag wouldnt have been an issue
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
I guess we'll see how MC does at MLG.
...And that series was played online and with lag anyways.
Nope, both on EU server shortly after MC's dreamhack win.
Don't get me wrong, MC's awesome and he's gonna crush a lot of foreign nerd's dreams.
But it's kind of derpy to assume he'll crush every single foreigner after several great-but-not-the-best foreigners have beaten him or almost beaten him in same-server games or series.
On June 02 2011 16:00 JayDee_ wrote: Sorry if this has already been answered, if MC still has time to catch a flight to MLG why couldn't Bomber get a 2nd flight?
He has emigration exit visa problems, something to do with those 3 words, emigration exit visa lol
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months.
Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team.
Yes he's not the best out there. Nestea is currently performing better than him. MVP is performing equally but still losing a lot as well, and he lost to Ganzi who isn't even known for his TvT. I am not arguing with you saying he is the best out there, I am arguing with you saying that the other players who have done less than him are scarier than him. It was a bad build order loss, and stupid play by him aggressively expanding, that has nothing to do with inflexibility. I've seen him down nexus first, 1 gate expand, 2 gate expand, 3 gate expand, voidray expand, phoenix expand, 3 gate dt expand, 1 gate dt expand, 2 gate robo, 3 gate robo. That's not inflexible play. He popularized tons of new builds that protoss use, in fact.
It's completely in your right to have an opinion on who is better, but it's kind of silly to me. MMA lost to Huk 2-0 in the up and downs and Huk himself will tell you MC is the superior protoss. You even said MC got his 'ass kicked' as if he got largely outplayed, when his recent losses have been build order losses in the early game (his delayed four gate against alicia's 3 gate robo, taking a second gas against Alicia's aggressive 4gate which made his warpins significantly behind, being unable to deal with Polt's early pressure). That's not an ass kicking, that's build order losses. Casters will try to tell you that the other player is doing so amazing, overwhelming MC, omg what an upset, oh look that probe blocked a zealot that is the most amazing micro I've ever seen, but 99% of the time any other player would lose in that situation too.
However I will agree with you that Slayers are doing amazing. Alicia taking out MC and Ganzi taking out MVP. Just wish that they hadn't been mirror matches, would have been funner to watch Alicia v MVP rematch and MC Ganzi.
On June 02 2011 15:57 Malstriks wrote: MC is gonna smash foreigners when theres no delay.
Unless a foreigner of comparable skill to ThorZain decides to 3-2 MC in a no-lag situation for the first time.
Oh, wait.
Cool, one excellent player that prepared only for that match for weeks won a close series 3-2 verses MC (the last game with a strat that was immediately nerfed lulz). He will still smash foreigners with no delay. Maybe he wouldn't smash Thorzain but it would still be close, and he now knows Thorzain's playstyle after losing to the same 2-2 timing push twice.
I guess we'll see how MC does at MLG.
...And that series was played online and with lag anyways.
As much as I love MC and expect him to destroy MLG..... Your statement is retarded... it was 'online' but both players played on the EU server(MC was at dream hack, playing in sweden which has arguably the best internet in EU, so lag was not a factor.) That being said that was played with Thorzain having ample time to prepare and MC not knowing how EU/Na players play.. For this tourny I expect nothing short of complete dominance from MC... The 'TRUE' god of war will have reign supreme! MC HWAITING
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months.
Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team.
Inflexible you say ? really ? ask that to Tastosis or protoss players out there...
btw, you said Bomber was "much more scary" why is that ?? why is it "much more"
the only problem is his confident which everyone knows... overconfident doesnt help you much as shown in last GSL against Polt where he lost 0-2 due to stupid fast nexus build in both game.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months.
Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team.
Yes he's not the best out there. Nestea is currently performing better than him. MVP is performing equally but still losing a lot as well, and he lost to Ganzi who isn't even known for his TvT. I am not arguing with you saying he is the best out there, I am arguing with you saying that the other players who have done less than him are scarier than him. It was a bad build order loss, and stupid play by him aggressively expanding, that has nothing to do with inflexibility. I've seen him down nexus first, 1 gate expand, 2 gate expand, 3 gate expand, voidray expand, phoenix expand, 3 gate dt expand, 1 gate dt expand, 2 gate robo, 3 gate robo. That's not inflexible play. He popularized tons of new builds that protoss use, in fact.
It's completely in your right to have an opinion on who is better, but it's kind of silly to me. MMA lost to Huk 2-0 in the up and downs and Huk himself will tell you MC is the superior protoss. You even said MC got his 'ass kicked' as if he got largely outplayed, when his recent losses have been build order losses in the early game (his delayed four gate against alicia's 3 gate robo, taking a second gas against Alicia's aggressive 4gate which made his warpins significantly behind, being unable to deal with Polt's early pressure). That's not an ass kicking, that's build order losses.
I would say personally that selecting the correct build order is in fact a very important skill and if you select the wrong BO, yes you got your ass kicked because you are making bad tactical decisions, perhaps there needs to be more effort in getting it right.. again i said hes good, hes great mechanically and his macro and micro are great.. but again hes obviously got a fatal flaw if he continually loses by doing the wrong BOs. This is why i feel nestea is a better player, he has been, from what ive seen anyways in recent history, to be a very flexible player, as has MVP and many other players, i feel being able to throw out new bo's every game vs someone is important to keep the enemy guessing as they dont know exactly what you are doing.
a loss is a loss and i suspect MC will be getting more losses the same way he has been losing recently.. by picking wrong BOs for the situation. hey, i could be proved wrong at MLG this weekend but i really feel he wont be taking #1 @ MLG this time around. Quote me for later i could be wrong, but i feel i wont be
yay! so excited for MLG now. was bummed out about bomber but hearing about MC as a protoss makes it even better since the korean P weren't getting represented. wonder wat idra thinks about this sudden change. anyone hear anything?
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames.
To win the tournament he was most likely going to run into a strong protoss like Kiwi or Nani so he wont be fully unprepared. Dropping a series in the group play isn't the end of the world.
On June 02 2011 14:48 sc14s wrote: meh, i would be more worried about most of the other koreans coming than MC tbh (not that hes bad, just sayin, for example if bomber was coming.. hes much more scary..)
Are you basing this on personal bias?
Because I think his results speak for themselves.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months.
Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team.
Inflexible you say ? really ? ask that to Tastosis or protoss players out there...
btw, you said Bomber was "much more scary" why is that ?? why is it "much more"
the only problem is his confident which everyone knows... overconfident doesnt help you much as shown in last GSL against Polt where he lost 0-2 due to stupid fast nexus build in both game.
would'nt the example you have just stated prove that in fact he was being inflexible, sure for his "over confidence" if thats what you think it was, prove in fact that hes being inflexible? sure as hell seems it to me when you try to do the same losing build twice vs a player who is known for agression..
On the one hand, MC kind of became famous and successful with a bunch of semi-all-ins that people have become pretty good at holding these days. You might make a case for his style being out dated.
On the other hand he's muthafuckin' MC and will probably at the very least smash his way through to the late stages of the championship bracket.
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames.
This is so true, yet it makes me LOL at the same time... everyone will say 'poor Idra had no time to prepare' yet, MC has just as little preparation time if not even less time actually, seeing as at least Idra knew he was going to compete in this tournament,,, MC is taking this on last second no preparation for his group/ the ENTIRE tournament, and yet when he beats Idra(and he will) it will all be blamed on Idra not having proper preparation...
Seriously SC2, I take a nap and all hell breaks loose, bad news followed by pretty good news. I would have preferred Bomber so we could know how good he really is in a MLG type tournament. We already know MC has the skills to win these.
yeah him getting his ass kicked recently really speaks doesnt it? (MC)
lol, I agree he has lost a few games but seriously? Ass-kicked? Sounds like personal bias to me.
ofc im biased, obviously im stating my opinion, not fact, idk what you are trying to get across.. are you dense? you understand anything posted in the manner i stated it is in fact bias.. as would anything you say counter to my arguement.. please tell me what you are trying to argue.
That is all you had to say. haha, I love internet tough guys
How am I an internet tough guy? am i threatening to beat you up or something? rofl, just because I only stated one thing doesnt mean that i dont have more reasoning behind my statement. You cant deny that MC is in a bit of a slump with his recent results regardless of if hes won previous foreign lans, this isnt the same foreign lan, not to mention there are other koreans coming as well as better competition now (the scene has been growing fast in the foreign scene imo)
MC losing a PvP to Alicia and losing to Polt because of greedy build order losses has nothing to do with slumping, those are a couple bo3's. What has Losira done in comparison? MMA? Lol Moon? The only Korean currently "not slumping" is Nestea who had an easy run in the last GSL and just beat a lackluster Bomber in Ro32 after almost losing to Cezanne in the Ro64. So how does your original statement of "I would be more worried about most of the other koreans" work? MMA is still in Code A after losing to a protoss 2-0 worse than MC, Losira didn't get far into the Super Tournament either, and Bomber just got beaten 2-0 by Nestea.
as stated before its all personal opinion, i never said hes bad, but hes certainly not the best out there. If you really are bored, you can look i up, i have stated this in the past for example in LR when he lost to polt, that wasnt just a bad BO loss that was him being inflexible, which imo is his fatal flaw, he has a couple strats in mind and isnt really about mixing it up but working with that strat that he has down.. but yeah thats why i find other players to be better than him, not that hes bad, and he can certainly get better but he seems to be at his pinnacle and the "fresh blood" so to speak is on its way in and will continue to come in over the next couple months.
Really though there is no clear cut player that is the best, and again dont take my critique of MC to say that he is a bad player... i haven't said that and wont be stating that, i just feel that there are many more players with more potential and also (obviously going into OPINION REALM HERE) are already better players as a whole, this does include MMA btw, hes got alot of potential imo with such good teamates / coaches to work with, hell the whole team is oozing potential,from what i've seen they are the first completely serious team.
Yes he's not the best out there. Nestea is currently performing better than him. MVP is performing equally but still losing a lot as well, and he lost to Ganzi who isn't even known for his TvT. I am not arguing with you saying he is the best out there, I am arguing with you saying that the other players who have done less than him are scarier than him. It was a bad build order loss, and stupid play by him aggressively expanding, that has nothing to do with inflexibility. I've seen him down nexus first, 1 gate expand, 2 gate expand, 3 gate expand, voidray expand, phoenix expand, 3 gate dt expand, 1 gate dt expand, 2 gate robo, 3 gate robo. That's not inflexible play. He popularized tons of new builds that protoss use, in fact.
It's completely in your right to have an opinion on who is better, but it's kind of silly to me. MMA lost to Huk 2-0 in the up and downs and Huk himself will tell you MC is the superior protoss. You even said MC got his 'ass kicked' as if he got largely outplayed, when his recent losses have been build order losses in the early game (his delayed four gate against alicia's 3 gate robo, taking a second gas against Alicia's aggressive 4gate which made his warpins significantly behind, being unable to deal with Polt's early pressure). That's not an ass kicking, that's build order losses.
I would say personally that selecting the correct build order is in fact a very important skill and if you select the wrong BO, yes you got your ass kicked because you are making bad tactical decisions, perhaps there needs to be more effort in getting it right.. again i said hes good, hes great mechanically and his macro and micro are great.. but again hes obviously got a fatal flaw if he continually loses by doing the wrong BOs. This is why i feel nestea is a better player, he has been, from what ive seen anyways in recent history, to be a very flexible player, as has MVP and many other players, i feel being able to throw out new bo's every game vs someone is important to keep the enemy guessing as they dont know exactly what you are doing.
a loss is a loss and i suspect MC will be getting more losses the same way he has been losing recently.. by picking wrong BOs for the situation. hey, i could be proved wrong at MLG this weekend but i really feel he wont be taking #1 @ MLG this time around. Quote me for later i could be wrong, but i feel i wont be
He lost 4 games. That is not continually losing. How about him being the only non-Chinese player in the Stars War Round of 4 after 2-0'ing everybody, winning Dreamhack Invitational, winning Copenhagen (I think he maybe lost 1 game to Morrow before beating Kas 4-0 in the finals)? He's been doing subpar in the NASL but he hasn't lost his last 4 series, one loss was a walkover, and the lag from KR to NA is well known. He went 3-0 against Ace, Bomber, and July in the GSTL. Selecting the wrong build order is not a tactical failure, it is fully luck-based. If he went 2 gate robo, the only truly safe build against terran, he would have been quite behind if Polt played 14CC or 1 rax expand which is again a build order loss.
There is a complete difference between how MC would have to play the early game and Nestea would. Nestea's decision comes down to, do I go pool first or hatch first. From that comes scouting to determine what he should do next and the proper times to drone. In the very, very beginning zerg is NOT flexible because you are stuck on the path of pool or hatch first followed by droning. While that is a very delicate balance it is different than a protoss who has to make his build-order decision before any scouting is possible.
I just told you all of the build orders I have seen MC do, I believe I listed 10-15. Why are you still on the whole inflexible thing? And MVP? MVP has been doing worse than MC overall, unless you count him beating a Code A protoss in the round of 64 then losing in the round of 32 better than MC losing to Alicia. He hasn't even been participating in foreign tournaments, IdrA got a walkover from him in the Stars War.
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames.
This is so true, yet it makes me LOL at the same time... everyone will say 'poor Idra had no time to prepare' yet, MC has just as little preparation time if not even less time actually, seeing as at least Idra knew he was going to compete in this tournament,,, MC is taking this on last second no preparation for his group/ the ENTIRE tournament, and yet when he beats Idra(and he will) it will all be blamed on Idra not having proper preparation...
Look at group C. Liquid and Idra.... MC had played them so he doesnt need any special training (he could thought some strategies during his flight)
i think july is one of the few people who will enjoy playing through the open bracket because he stated he wants to play as much against the foreigners as possible. now his wish comes true.
only question is if he still will have enough stamina left for the final rounds.
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames.
This is so true, yet it makes me LOL at the same time... everyone will say 'poor Idra had no time to prepare' yet, MC has just as little preparation time if not even less time actually, seeing as at least Idra knew he was going to compete in this tournament,,, MC is taking this on last second no preparation for his group/ the ENTIRE tournament, and yet when he beats Idra(and he will) it will all be blamed on Idra not having proper preparation...
Look at group C. Liquid and Idra.... MC had played them so he doesnt need any special training (he could thought some strategies during his flight)
Kind of my point... I'm not trying to make excuses for MC or make his victory more glorious... merely saying that if/when Idra loses to him that will be the fallback excuse "Oh he didn't have time to prepare thats why Idra lost." I'm just preparing for the QQ with that post is all....
On June 02 2011 16:17 Frankon wrote: Now i wish Idra wouldnt be banned.... He was preparing for Bomber and they send in the god toss... Forum would have gone up in flames.
This is so true, yet it makes me LOL at the same time... everyone will say 'poor Idra had no time to prepare' yet, MC has just as little preparation time if not even less time actually, seeing as at least Idra knew he was going to compete in this tournament,,, MC is taking this on last second no preparation for his group/ the ENTIRE tournament, and yet when he beats Idra(and he will) it will all be blamed on Idra not having proper preparation...
Look at group C. Liquid and Idra.... MC had played them so he doesnt need any special training (he could thought some strategies during his flight)
Kind of my point... I'm not trying to make excuses for MC or make his victory more glorious... merely saying that if/when Idra loses to him that will be the fallback excuse "Oh he didn't have time to prepare thats why Idra lost." I'm just preparing for the QQ with that post is all....
I think preparation is completely overrated. Sure it helps, but I think any good player should be able to compete even if the opponent was announced just before the game starts. The skills are always there.
MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
.... He took Bombers spot last second, its not like he had weeks to prepare for the matches either... if anything he has a disadvantage with jet lag and 0 preperation for any of the matchups in his group... the other players at least were able to practice for every other player in the group....
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
It's special treatment because non-koreans don't, as far as I know, get seeded after the groups are locked.
I would rather July take Bomber's place than MC. July won the Clash of the Houses Tournament and won a trip to Columbus. I think he earned that spot in group play.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
my thoughts exactly, he certainly put more effort to get out to MLG at least.
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
I agree it sucks for July and maybe they should have given the spot to him and had the runner up of the CotH tourny take July's spot, but to blame MC and to say its unfair for the players in group c is just silly...
This is going to be bad for those in Pool C who did not prepare / tailored up something specifically for another Protoss than Tyler. But at the same time, makes this group even more interesting than ever!
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
MC is like 7-1 against July, he is the better player so why wouldn't he be seeded higher? How much work July put into getting into MLG speficially is irrelevant. MC won two GSLs to get his spot as a higher seed, that beats July winning a minor tournament. I really don't understand the foreigner's general dislike toward MC.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
Yes, raging fanboys aren't exclusive to Idra, obviously. But it seems that More so then not it is Idra fan boys who whine and QQ for 20+ pages in LR threads whenever a zerg(not even Idra) loses, merely because Idra complains about the matchup....
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
Yes, raging fanboys aren't exclusive to Idra, obviously. But it seems that More so then not it is Idra fan boys who whine and QQ for 20+ pages in LR threads whenever a zerg(not even Idra) loses, merely because Idra complains about the matchup....
Well dont hate on Idra just for the fact that other people are bitching in a LR thread
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
I agree it sucks for July and maybe they should have given the spot to him and had the runner up of the CotH tourny take July's spot, but to blame MC and to say its unfair for the players in group c is just silly...
Unfortunately there's not much they can do. CSN decided to run a tourney to send a Korean player to MLG without any partnership with MLG. They're paying for his travel expenses (I think) and stuff, but there's little they could have done to promise a direct seed into group play.
The MLG-GSL exchange program was announced much later than CSN's thing, and they are not related to each other at all. It's not like GSL was like yo MC yo are better than July so we are going to give you the better seed and July can fight his way through open bracket.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
Yes, raging fanboys aren't exclusive to Idra, obviously. But it seems that More so then not it is Idra fan boys who whine and QQ for 20+ pages in LR threads whenever a zerg(not even Idra) loses, merely because Idra complains about the matchup....
Well dont hate on Idra just for the fact that other people are bitching in a LR thread
I don't 'hate' Idra just because of his fans... I hate Idra because I find him to be an insufferable cry baby, I will admit he is a great player but I despise his attitude(which unfortunately rubs off on his fans...) Though I did gain respect for him on the SotG the other night when he stated he won't wont change his attitude just because people don't like it, but even with that I despise his out look on the games and how he reacts to losing.
Heh, was idrA more worried before with bomber or now with mc? Either way that's pretty awesome that both july and mc are attending!
Imagine being able to face july in the open bracket? Thats the chance of a lifetime to play such a decorated opponent! There's the chance that some scrub might take him out, but if not I think it'll be like the naniwa domination of last mlg
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
I agree it sucks for July and maybe they should have given the spot to him and had the runner up of the CotH tourny take July's spot, but to blame MC and to say its unfair for the players in group c is just silly...
Unfortunately there's not much they can do. CSN decided to run a tourney to send a Korean player to MLG without any partnership with MLG. They're paying for his travel expenses (I think) and stuff, but there's little they could have done to promise a direct seed into group play.
The MLG-GSL exchange program was announced much later than CSN's thing, and they are not related to each other at all. It's not like GSL was like yo MC yo are better than July so we are going to give you the better seed and July can fight his way through open bracket.
I am not arguing that MC shouldn't be there, I'm very happy that he is going, was just pointing out how silly it is to say that MC has gained an advantage over the other players in group C.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
I don't know how to argue against this. I'd say you're the winner.
On June 02 2011 15:28 vol_ wrote: Holy shit does this mean IdrA v MC?
They've played eachother before in the Dreamhack Stockholm Invitational. Just thought i'd point that out since alot of people seem to think it's the first time. Idra actually made MC look mortal.
I know it's happened, it's still epic for a first game.
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
I agree it sucks for July and maybe they should have given the spot to him and had the runner up of the CotH tourny take July's spot, but to blame MC and to say its unfair for the players in group c is just silly...
Unfortunately there's not much they can do. CSN decided to run a tourney to send a Korean player to MLG without any partnership with MLG. They're paying for his travel expenses (I think) and stuff, but there's little they could have done to promise a direct seed into group play.
The MLG-GSL exchange program was announced much later than CSN's thing, and they are not related to each other at all. It's not like GSL was like yo MC yo are better than July so we are going to give you the better seed and July can fight his way through open bracket.
I am not arguing that MC shouldn't be there, I'm very happy that he is going, was just pointing out how silly it is to say that MC has gained an advantage over the other players in group C.
It's pretty silly to say that MC is at an advantage over players in his group. He isn't any more prepared to play against them than they are prepared to play against him - and will be jetlagged on top of it. If anything, group C just got ever so slightly easier (assuming MC and Bomber are of roughly equal 'general skill', anyway)
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
I don't know how to argue against this. I'd say you're the winner.
Congratulation.
I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic..... If not The way to argue against that: stop being so foreigner biased and open your eyes... MC gains no advantage over the other players in the group(The only person who has a right to complain is July who won a tourny to get his spot in open bracket.) he has just as little(if not less due to travel time) preparation time for these matches, at least the other competitors knew who they were playing in every other match except the vs bomber match and prepared for it accordingly...
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
Yes, raging fanboys aren't exclusive to Idra, obviously. But it seems that More so then not it is Idra fan boys who whine and QQ for 20+ pages in LR threads whenever a zerg(not even Idra) loses, merely because Idra complains about the matchup....
Well dont hate on Idra just for the fact that other people are bitching in a LR thread
I don't 'hate' Idra just because of his fans... I hate Idra because I find him to be an insufferable cry baby, I will admit he is a great player but I despise his attitude(which unfortunately rubs off on his fans...) Though I did gain respect for him on the SotG the other night when he stated he won't wont change his attitude just because people don't like it, but even with that I despise his out look on the games and how he reacts to losing.
well you do realize a very large portion of the population rages in video games, yes me too , esp when it feels like you shouldnt have lost, which to most people is usually never. Sure idra rages but so does alot of other people. The other thing i see people critique him about, which i find a little silly, is when he doesnt gg, It really is a difference of opinions here, personally i feel if it wasnt a GG i wont gg, he does the same thing, its not like you HAVE to say gg at the end of the game, I really feel people have to get away from this crap about having huge biases towards players. IRL most people arent so bad if you get to know them.. especially if they have the same passion for similar interests
On June 02 2011 17:07 syllogism wrote: And yes, it's completely unfair for July to have to go through open bracket after winning CSH and MC just gets gifted his seeded spot
I agree it sucks for July and maybe they should have given the spot to him and had the runner up of the CotH tourny take July's spot, but to blame MC and to say its unfair for the players in group c is just silly...
Unfortunately there's not much they can do. CSN decided to run a tourney to send a Korean player to MLG without any partnership with MLG. They're paying for his travel expenses (I think) and stuff, but there's little they could have done to promise a direct seed into group play.
The MLG-GSL exchange program was announced much later than CSN's thing, and they are not related to each other at all. It's not like GSL was like yo MC yo are better than July so we are going to give you the better seed and July can fight his way through open bracket.
I am not arguing that MC shouldn't be there, I'm very happy that he is going, was just pointing out how silly it is to say that MC has gained an advantage over the other players in group C.
It's pretty silly to say that MC is at an advantage over players in his group. He isn't any more prepared to play against them than they are prepared to play against him - and will be jetlagged on top of it. If anything, group C just got ever so slightly easier (assuming MC and Bomber are of roughly equal 'general skill', anyway)
You would thin its silly to say that... yet i've spent my last 3-4 posts explaining to people how insane it is to say the other players in group c are at a huge dis advantage....
Idra gonna be so mad ^^ He's always complaining about korean protoss. Will be interesting to watch however since he was actually quite close to cracking MC at dreamhack, and since then zerg have really been clawing their way back into the running in that matchup.
On June 02 2011 17:28 kuroshiro wrote: Idra gonna be so mad ^^ He's always complaining about korean protoss. Will be interesting to watch however since he was actually quite close to cracking MC at dreamhack, and since then zerg have really been clawing their way back into the running in that matchup.
Ya it will definitely be an interesting match up, and zergs have been doing well since. Really there was only a brief moment of MC winning the GSL and Cruncher beating IdrA that made everyone overreact, but now it is clear that zergs are doing fine so hopefully he will be in a better mindset to beat MC.
On June 02 2011 17:01 Mitchlew wrote: [quote] don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
Yes, raging fanboys aren't exclusive to Idra, obviously. But it seems that More so then not it is Idra fan boys who whine and QQ for 20+ pages in LR threads whenever a zerg(not even Idra) loses, merely because Idra complains about the matchup....
Well dont hate on Idra just for the fact that other people are bitching in a LR thread
I don't 'hate' Idra just because of his fans... I hate Idra because I find him to be an insufferable cry baby, I will admit he is a great player but I despise his attitude(which unfortunately rubs off on his fans...) Though I did gain respect for him on the SotG the other night when he stated he won't wont change his attitude just because people don't like it, but even with that I despise his out look on the games and how he reacts to losing.
well you do realize a very large portion of the population rages in video games, yes me too , esp when it feels like you shouldnt have lost, which to most people is usually never. Sure idra rages but so does alot of other people. The other thing i see people critique him about, which i find a little silly, is when he doesnt gg, It really is a difference of opinions here, personally i feel if it wasnt a GG i wont gg, he does the same thing, its not like you HAVE to say gg at the end of the game, I really feel people have to get away from this crap about having huge biases towards players. IRL most people arent so bad if you get to know them.. especially if they have the same passion for similar interests
I understand raging, I have no problem with that. Idra how ever bring it to a whole new level, every lose is either because his opponent used an "all in no skill" strat or his race is "OP" never has Idra lost because he was simply outplayed. I have 0 problem with not GG'ing, I don't gg in probably close to 50% of my lost games due to frustration, but the constant whine and BM of Idra just annoys me, some find it entertaining and if you do thats your opinion and until recently I thought it was hilarious but its grown tiresome for me he's turning into the Sydney Crosby of sc2 great skill but a constant whiner and I despise that(This coming from a Canadian, his gold medal goal glroy can only last so long...)
Not that MC is a bad choice but I don't understand why tourneys aren't inviting Nestea. Is he just too good to invite or what. He deserves some invites to foreign tournaments
On June 02 2011 17:34 Scrandom wrote: Not that MC is a bad choice but I don't understand why tourneys aren't inviting Nestea. Is he just too good to invite or what. He deserves some invites to foreign tournaments
wtf do you even follow GSL, MC is knocked out of super tournament while nestea is still strong and going.
On June 02 2011 17:00 syllogism wrote: MC will be in the open bracket right? Because seeding him at this point would be unfair given the fact no one else gets seeded after the groups are locked and the players in that group have prepared for certain matchups
don't think so, he will just replace ST bomber. Otherwise group numbers are uneven.
They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
I don't know how to argue against this. I'd say you're the winner.
Congratulation.
I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic..... If not The way to argue against that: stop being so foreigner biased and open your eyes... MC gains no advantage over the other players in the group(The only person who has a right to complain is July who won a tourny to get his spot in open bracket.) he has just as little(if not less due to travel time) preparation time for these matches, at least the other competitors knew who they were playing in every other match except the vs bomber match and prepared for it accordingly...
I don't even know why you think this is ok. Bomber was seen as arguably the scariest Korean with lots of recent games in GSL. So if anyone was most likely to have (now useless) builds prepared for them, it was him. Tyler is seen as the weakest player in the group by most and the only protoss so its safe to say XvP was the least practiced matchup for group C. Putting MC directly into groups is pretty messed up and I don't see how it could be considered fair disadvantage considering MC is most likely the Koren most experienced dealing with jet lag.
On June 02 2011 17:01 syllogism wrote: [quote] They should just give everyone a walkover. A bad decision if that's what they are doing. More korean special treatment.
Korean special treatment??? your fucking joking right? seriously look at the situation here, no one really gains an advantage out of this... Fuck, this isn't even the LR thread yet and bias.whine posts are already popping up... going to be fun when Idra loses... /sarcasm
chillax broski, dont need to give yourself a heart attack over silly text =S
P.S your bias is showing
If by bias you mean my hate for Idra, it was never hidden I don't like cry babies and espcially cry babies who have fans that ruin entire LR threads. I do apologize if I come across as upset, I am just tired of threads being ruined with useless QQ is all
I actually dont dislike idra, hes an avg raging nerd who happens to be not so average at the game... cant really hate on him without being a hypocrite, now blind fanboys, they do get annoying i wont lie. Really though those arent exclusive to idra...
Yes, raging fanboys aren't exclusive to Idra, obviously. But it seems that More so then not it is Idra fan boys who whine and QQ for 20+ pages in LR threads whenever a zerg(not even Idra) loses, merely because Idra complains about the matchup....
Well dont hate on Idra just for the fact that other people are bitching in a LR thread
I don't 'hate' Idra just because of his fans... I hate Idra because I find him to be an insufferable cry baby, I will admit he is a great player but I despise his attitude(which unfortunately rubs off on his fans...) Though I did gain respect for him on the SotG the other night when he stated he won't wont change his attitude just because people don't like it, but even with that I despise his out look on the games and how he reacts to losing.
well you do realize a very large portion of the population rages in video games, yes me too , esp when it feels like you shouldnt have lost, which to most people is usually never. Sure idra rages but so does alot of other people. The other thing i see people critique him about, which i find a little silly, is when he doesnt gg, It really is a difference of opinions here, personally i feel if it wasnt a GG i wont gg, he does the same thing, its not like you HAVE to say gg at the end of the game, I really feel people have to get away from this crap about having huge biases towards players. IRL most people arent so bad if you get to know them.. especially if they have the same passion for similar interests
I understand raging, I have no problem with that. Idra how ever bring it to a whole new level, every lose is either because his opponent used an "all in no skill" strat or his race is "OP" never has Idra lost because he was simply outplayed. I have 0 problem with not GG'ing, I don't gg in probably close to 50% of my lost games due to frustration, but the constant whine and BM of Idra just annoys me, some find it entertaining and if you do thats your opinion and until recently I thought it was hilarious but its grown tiresome for me he's turning into the Sydney Crosby of sc2 great skill but a constant whiner and I despise that(This coming from a Canadian, his gold medal goal glroy can only last so long...)
I like how you compare a raging nerd to Crosby. The fact that it comes from a Canadian gives me a warm feeling that he indeed is a whiner. Sorry for the offtopic.
On-topic: July in the OB is so sweet. Hope to see another 26-0 performance.
Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Swear to god if MLG don't manage to pull off a functional stream this time I'll be somewhat pertubed. I'd say good luck MC, but I think the non-Koreans need the luck more. :D
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
GSL desires foreign teams to play in their league. Moonglade played multiple games in their league and and an FXO caster is casting Code A solo right now. So with an existing relationship with the team and FXO's reputation as a skilled team with great management and financial backing, I don't see how thats special treatment. Not like they edged out some well-known, good korean team. Also, MLG spots for Koreans are much more desirable for them then Code A spots are for Koreans so excluding the open to all Code S spot, Koreans are getting the good end of the deal.
Hope MC can perform to his best since he receive this in such short notice. There is no time for him to practice/study his opponent and esp get used the jet lag. MC go go go!, Do it for Bomber, that poor kid, he must be very dissapointed now.
On June 02 2011 17:34 Scrandom wrote: Not that MC is a bad choice but I don't understand why tourneys aren't inviting Nestea. Is he just too good to invite or what. He deserves some invites to foreign tournaments
wtf do you even follow GSL, MC is knocked out of super tournament while nestea is still strong and going.
That doesn't really matter since the matches were scheduled such that Bomber would be able to go to MLG regardless of the result of his GSL match. Since his opponent was Nestea, I'm sure the scheduling would have worked out for him as well.
I'm pretty amazed that MLG (I'm assuming) is paying for a last minute round trip flight to get MC in there to replace Bomber.
so funny 6 koreans ^^ and the 2 good ones go open bracket i hope one of them not go trough, not cause i am so bad but i want thorzain demuslim and others more in tournament will be so hard when demuslim thorzain etc have mc or july in first rounds ...
I think it's rather safe to say that the Koreans will manhandle most of the competition at mlg, mostly because of the semi-good foreigner lineup. There are a few real good ones, but Dreamhack Summer will be the true test for koreans against the very best foreigners.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
MC is also replacing a spot that was already in the Championship bracket. This close to the tournament, there's no reason to completely mess up the setup when you can replace 1 for 1.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
On June 02 2011 18:33 WhiteraCares wrote: I think it's rather safe to say that the Koreans will manhandle most of the competition at mlg, mostly because of the semi-good foreigner lineup. There are a few real good ones, but Dreamhack Summer will be the true test for koreans against the very best foreigners.
Whilst a Korean will probably win the tournament, I'm tipping at least a couple of upsets along the way. It's a good lineup, not as stacked as Dreamhack but there are some excellent players there that will test the koreans.
On June 02 2011 18:33 WhiteraCares wrote: I think it's rather safe to say that the Koreans will manhandle most of the competition at mlg, mostly because of the semi-good foreigner lineup. There are a few real good ones, but Dreamhack Summer will be the true test for koreans against the very best foreigners.
There's actually about 15 ppl that could take this tournament. Just depends how they're playing this weekend. The Koreans make up at least 3 of those (MC, MMA & July). We don't know what Losira's ZvZ is like at the moment & he's gotta deal with TLO. TLO alone could easily put him on tilt for the tournament. (You know Dario has something special just for Losira)
There's simply a lot of really good players in this tournament. We're actually only a few Koreans short of the best possible tournament field available.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
They can't or won't, that's why FXO is in the tournament. FXOBoss specifically said that GOM sought out a 10th team when there wasn't going to be a Korean one.
On June 02 2011 18:33 WhiteraCares wrote: I think it's rather safe to say that the Koreans will manhandle most of the competition at mlg, mostly because of the semi-good foreigner lineup. There are a few real good ones, but Dreamhack Summer will be the true test for koreans against the very best foreigners.
There's actually about 15 ppl that could take this tournament. Just depends how they're playing this weekend. The Koreans make up at least 3 of those (MC, MMA & July). We don't know what Losira's ZvZ is like at the moment & he's gotta deal with TLO. TLO alone could easily put him on tilt for the tournament. (You know Dario has something special just for Losira)
There's simply a lot of really good players in this tournament. We're actually only a few Koreans short of the best possible tournament field available.
I think the tournament format makes it harder for upsets that tournaments like the gsl. I'm sure we'll see a few upsets but at the end of the day, I guess we'll see plenty of Koreans late in the tournament.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
They have like 3 players
Wrong. Go look at the HoSeo COTH topic. They have well over 3 players.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
They have like 3 players
They've got a full team, apparently, but HoSeo is actually a school/academy of some sort. Are they maybe skipping this one due to school break/time commitment? I can only guess, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Awesome, how cool would it be if someone like Tyler, IdrA, Select or Ret took this guy down. I don't think he is going to 4-0 that group of players, he has a lot of stuff working against him with the difficulty of his group as well as dealing with jet lag and the different way foreigners play. I hope that all of the players look at this as and opportunity and as long as they don't play scared they should be able to do very well. Foreigners Fighting!!!!!
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
They can't or won't, that's why FXO is in the tournament. FXOBoss specifically said that GOM sought out a 10th team when there wasn't going to be a Korean one.
I'm prett sure NHS is still playing. The official press release said GSTL would have 11 teams with FXO.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
I think Hoseo can easily be the 10th team if FXO arent willing to go
On June 02 2011 14:41 Santi wrote: jesus christ god help the NA players
there we're already enough EUs going dw
Yeah, July might roll through most brackets but he's out when he faces Naniwa. Heard it here first.
There's a number of players that can beat July. But it's almost impossible for July to meet Naniwa until Day 3. (July has no rank points from the open bracket, which means to end up in Pool A would require that all 26 players with rank points not win one of the Open Brackets, which is very unlikely to happen)
And, yeah, the field here is really, really fierce. We're short pretty much just a few Koreans & Euros from having everyone we'd want to see in the tournament. That's pretty damn good.
I love that its MC who is going but I cant se how this can be fair to all others in that group, changing a player so close to such a big event is just wrong imo, atleast they should have got one of the same race.
On June 02 2011 18:33 WhiteraCares wrote: I think it's rather safe to say that the Koreans will manhandle most of the competition at mlg, mostly because of the semi-good foreigner lineup. There are a few real good ones, but Dreamhack Summer will be the true test for koreans against the very best foreigners.
Well there will still be about 9 foreigners I would give a chance winning this MLG (Demuslim, Thorzain, Morrow, Naniwa, Kiwikaki, Select, Idra, Sjow, Ret). But overall you are right, Dreamhack (and Homestorycup to a lesser extend) will show how good the Koreans REALLY are when up against nearly every top foreigner.
On June 02 2011 19:31 TaKemE wrote: I love that its MC who is going but I cant se how this can be fair to all others in that group, changing a player so close to such a big event is just wrong imo, atleast they should have got one of the same race.
Pretty sure MC is going to play in the Open Bracket.
Btw MC played in 2 foreign LAN tournaments and won them both. Will the guy continue his streak? :o
July going really exites me. I hope there will be some crazy replays from the open bracket. How did they determine that MC replaces Bomber, MVP could have gone as well now, to keep the race the same. Also, why didn't Bomber just take another flight?
nvm: I didn't consider the visa issues and mc already has been to a couple of foreign tournaments.
On June 02 2011 17:48 Fionn wrote: Jeez, this is no more special treatment than the GSTL letting in FXO into their team league without ever playing a single game in Korea or them giving away four Code A spots away for free when people like DongRaeGu and Bomber had to fight through tough qualifiers to get in.
Just like how GSL gave spots away and let FXO into their team team to get more foreign viewers, this will help MLG get a lot more Korean interest. If MC was in the open brackets, they wouldn't be able to see him play at all until the second day.
Have to try hard not to insult you, but you really don't have any idea what was going on with FXO & GSTL. GOM wanted a 10th team and there was no Korean team able to field a roster for the tournament. FXO was the ones that took the opportunity give to them, as it was FXO or no 10th team.
MC is also replacing a spot that was already in the Championship bracket. This close to the tournament, there's no reason to completely mess up the setup when you can replace 1 for 1.
Ho Seo has enough. The schedule from the start said 10 teams. Then FXO got introduced and the schedule has to be changed since there is now 11 teams. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's all good. But it's annoying for people to say, 'OH MY GOD! THEY'RE CATERING TO KOREANS!' when GSL is also doing all they can to let foreigners play in their leagues. They even said that foreigners could go on other teams as snipers.
And I LIKE that MC was the one put into the Championship Bracket. I was just trying to explain that MLG/GSL are giving and taking. No one is catering to the other. MLG wants to get Korean viewers. GSL wants to get foreigner viewers. To do this, they exchange talent.
On June 02 2011 19:21 skullhoof wrote: Can't to see Koreans own white dudes again :D
Somehow this is deemed okay, but when a previous poster said that he didn't care about koreans coming to mlg we was called a kkk member among other things?
On June 02 2011 19:21 skullhoof wrote: Can't to see Koreans own white dudes again :D
Somehow this is deemed okay, but when a previous poster said that he didn't care about koreans coming to mlg we was called a kkk member among other things?
Is that really fair to Bomber's pool at MLG? With a small set of players in a pool, I'm sure Select/Idra/Ret/Tyler at least prepared somewhat for Bomber. Now all of a sudden they throw in MC at the last minute? Unless he's going into the Open Bracket, that doesn't seem fair to the other pool members...
On June 02 2011 20:06 imfilichino wrote: Is that really fair to Bomber's pool at MLG? With a small set of players in a pool, I'm sure Select/Idra/Ret/Tyler at least prepared somewhat for Bomber. Now all of a sudden they throw in MC at the last minute? Unless he's going into the Open Bracket, that doesn't seem fair to the other pool members...
Unfair in what way, practice?
I don't think MC was prepared as well, so they're probably on even footing. They'll think of something on the fly.
On June 02 2011 20:06 imfilichino wrote: Is that really fair to Bomber's pool at MLG? With a small set of players in a pool, I'm sure Select/Idra/Ret/Tyler at least prepared somewhat for Bomber. Now all of a sudden they throw in MC at the last minute? Unless he's going into the Open Bracket, that doesn't seem fair to the other pool members...
Unfair in what way, practice?
I don't think MC was prepared as well, so they're probably on even footing. They'll think of something on the fly.
Hm, that's a good point. I guess it's just an adjustment for everyone then.
On June 02 2011 19:57 whiteLotus wrote: well this is just sad, another good foreigner tournament will once again turn into korean rapefest
I HIGHLY doubt it.. What GSL WC and TSL has shown us that even the top Koreans can get rolled with adequate preparation. From what I've seen, foreigners are also much more willing to prepare for Koreans than the Koreans are willing to prepare for foreigners. Korean arrogance will cost them more games than they would like...
On June 02 2011 20:10 Coolwhip wrote: Don't worry guys, there will be some europeans.
This.
You've seen what europeans can do. But nonetheless, it's freaking amazing that MC and July are going to MLG. Will produce some incredibly intense and entertaining games.
Tbh I wanted to see Bomber more but MC is a good choice. Can't wait for MLG, the korean vs korean finals casted by Tastosis will be like watching GSL all over again.
On June 02 2011 19:57 whiteLotus wrote: well this is just sad, another good foreigner tournament will once again turn into korean rapefest
I HIGHLY doubt it.. What GSL WC and TSL has shown us that even the top Koreans can get rolled with adequate preparation. From what I've seen, foreigners are also much more willing to prepare for Koreans than the Koreans are willing to prepare for foreigners. Korean arrogance will cost them more games than they would like...
i dont think you should use TSL as an example it was online after all
This means that SeleCT, IdrA, Ret, NonY, and MC will all be in the same group. Oh. My. Fucking. God. I. Am. Going. To. Shit. My. Pants. Screaming. When. I. See. This. Shit. Go. Down.
On June 02 2011 20:30 mbr2321 wrote: This means that SeleCT, IdrA, Ret, NonY, and MC will all be in the same group. Oh. My. Fucking. God. I. Am. Going. To. Shit. My. Pants. Screaming. When. I. See. This. Shit. Go. Down.
This is way better than the gsl. Hands down.
Everyone on gsl is basically better than select ret and nony, how is it better?
I am excited though, wish July was seeded into the 'chip bracket, he's a very let's say "unstable" player lol I have a feeling he might get greedy or something in an open bracket game and lose.
On June 02 2011 20:30 Piski wrote: Tbh I wanted to see Bomber more but MC is a good choice. Can't wait for MLG, the korean vs korean finals casted by Tastosis will be like watching GSL all over again.
If that's the way it goes down, I'm hoping for a final akin to Code A as Code S finals have been duller than beige so far, on the whole.
how epic would it be when thorzain after his rapes against koreans, now kick out julyzerg from open bracket and then own MC in the final of the MLG AGAIN! xD
On June 02 2011 19:57 whiteLotus wrote: well this is just sad, another good foreigner tournament will once again turn into korean rapefest
I HIGHLY doubt it.. What GSL WC and TSL has shown us that even the top Koreans can get rolled with adequate preparation. From what I've seen, foreigners are also much more willing to prepare for Koreans than the Koreans are willing to prepare for foreigners. Korean arrogance will cost them more games than they would like...
i dont think you should use TSL as an example it was online after all
Not all of the koreans played with horrible latency -.-
MC was in Europe because of Dreamhack and during Dreamhack he played his TSL 3 game and lost. Stop using the online argument for everything ><.
Also happy to watch MC competing again in international tournaments. This wil be a very interesting weekend. Are we going to watch the Koreans rule again? :O
On June 02 2011 19:57 whiteLotus wrote: well this is just sad, another good foreigner tournament will once again turn into korean rapefest
I HIGHLY doubt it.. What GSL WC and TSL has shown us that even the top Koreans can get rolled with adequate preparation. From what I've seen, foreigners are also much more willing to prepare for Koreans than the Koreans are willing to prepare for foreigners. Korean arrogance will cost them more games than they would like...
i dont think you should use TSL as an example it was online after all
Not all of the koreans played with horrible latency -.-
MC was in Europe because of Dreamhack and during Dreamhack he played his TSL 3 game and lost. Stop using the online argument for everything ><.
Yes, that one series was played on the same server. As far as I know, though, most of the other games with Korean players were played from Korea. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't have lost anyways, but it just makes it a little hard to say "hah, foreigners are just as good as Koreans, look at TSL!"
I'm curious to see how this goes. All the Korean players that are going are very good, but also beatable. At any rate, it should help give us more of an idea of how the top players in Korea and the West stack up -- up until now there hasn't been all that much interaction in LAN environments, so it should be interesting regardless of what happens.
I think the entire MLG circuit this year is going to be able to really start telling us who the best players in the world are. Obviously there will not be a ton of the big Korean players, but there's enough.
Group C is so crazy now, IdrA, MC, Tyler, Ret and SelecT, holy shit Let's see if the Koreans win or if we can beat them in a "offline" Tournament with nonkoreans outnumbering Korean 100:1
Yeah, i'm really dissapointed for Bomber missing it, i would to see him much more than MC just because he never competed with foreigner players. But none the less, MC is a great replacement and will roflstomp his group.
Fuck the spacebar. IdrA doesn't use it for gaming, why should I use it for typing? This sentence having spaces is simply for ease of communication and is not reflective of my normative judgments on the spacebar.
As I was saying, HOLYSHIT. First round in the Open Bracket is going to have Morrow/July, right?
On June 02 2011 20:54 FinnGamer wrote: Group C is so crazy now, IdrA, MC, Tyler, Ret and SelecT, holy shit Let's see if the Koreans win or if we can beat them in a "offline" Tournament with nonkoreans outnumbering Korean 100:1
God of war has arrived! Elvis has left the building! USA prepare for the man with a big pair of balls! MC will crush the open bracket and then some. After the initial noob crushing the slightly more skilled pool players will be manhandled and smack down will result with a MC win in MLG Collumbus!
On June 02 2011 20:40 AWakefield wrote: I had to laugh at MC. He's so sure of himself its hilarious. He might actually win too.
I doubt it. I just dont see anything in his play that yells out "Hes the best damn protoss right now". Im going to laugh my ass off when he gets knocked out by someone like thorzain, nony, hell maybe even ret? Might be a sequel to the Tossgirl - Idra event
On June 02 2011 20:40 AWakefield wrote: I had to laugh at MC. He's so sure of himself its hilarious. He might actually win too.
I doubt it. I just dont see anything in his play that yells out "Hes the best damn protoss right now". Im going to laugh my ass off when he gets knocked out by someone like thorzain, nony, hell maybe even ret? Might be a sequel to the Tossgirl - Idra event
And its not like his arrogance is helping him...
We'll see, he's the clear favorite wich means he probably won't take it xD
On June 02 2011 20:40 AWakefield wrote: I had to laugh at MC. He's so sure of himself its hilarious. He might actually win too.
I doubt it. I just dont see anything in his play that yells out "Hes the best damn protoss right now". Im going to laugh my ass off when he gets knocked out by someone like thorzain, nony, hell maybe even ret? Might be a sequel to the Tossgirl - Idra event
And its not like his arrogance is helping him...
We'll see, he's the clear favorite wich means he probably won't take it xD
Heh. Hail ye, najreteip of the funny jokes.
Oh, MLG. You so straenj. We do not know who will win. But we can be certain that it will not be anyone who has hitherto won.
On June 02 2011 21:11 Kyles92 wrote: I'm real happy Mc is going but i would of liked it more if Bomber could of gone.
Yeah I would've like to see Bomber more...but July being in the Open Bracket is pretty cool. Now all the groups are sweating wondering which of them will have to deal with the God of War ^^
On June 02 2011 21:11 Kyles92 wrote: I'm real happy Mc is going but i would of liked it more if Bomber could of gone.
I'm also sad Bomber can't go. MC is a pretty gosu player n shit but Bomber is just an exciting player to watch in a way that, I think, no Protoss player really is yet.
Also, lol MC commanding that he fly. "Jones, get me my plane fueled. We're going to Columbus."
"But sir, what's in Columbus?"
"The Foreigner Menace. I shall show them that they are far from the menace they think themselves to be, but are rather The Phantom Menace of StarCraft."
Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
Calling Alicia below his skill level is debatable. He's now taken a win off of Nestea (in team league), a series off of MVP in updown matches and now a series off of MC. 62% winrate in every bracket, I wouldn't say Alicia is that far behind.
On June 02 2011 21:21 Looky wrote: why would mc be in the open bracket? isnt he replacing bomber? why are people sayings hes in the open bracket. isnt he gonna be in group d?
On June 02 2011 21:21 Looky wrote: why would mc be in the open bracket? isnt he replacing bomber? why are people sayings hes in the open bracket. isnt he gonna be in group d?
He replaces Bomber; so it is IdrA vs MC time
July will head into the open bracket for winning the CSN Clash of the Houses
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
Calling Alicia below his skill level is debatable. He's now taken a win off of Nestea (in team league), a series off of MVP in updown matches and now a series off of MC. 62% winrate in every bracket, I wouldn't say Alicia is that far behind.
Double expand vs 4 gate...that's how he beat NesTea...srsly even a bronze would beat a masters if they go for double expand against 4 gate.
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
Calling Alicia below his skill level is debatable. He's now taken a win off of Nestea (in team league), a series off of MVP in updown matches and now a series off of MC. 62% winrate in every bracket, I wouldn't say Alicia is that far behind.
Double expand vs 4 gate...that's how he beat NesTea...srsly even a bronze would beat a masters if they go for double expand against 4 gate.
You do realise the 4gate occurred because alicia scouted the double expand?
Anyhow, I'm not going to argue further because it's pointless and I don't wanna get sucked in ><
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
Calling Alicia below his skill level is debatable. He's now taken a win off of Nestea (in team league), a series off of MVP in updown matches and now a series off of MC. 62% winrate in every bracket, I wouldn't say Alicia is that far behind.
Double expand vs 4 gate...that's how he beat NesTea...srsly even a bronze would beat a masters if they go for double expand against 4 gate.
Nah, Bronze players 4 gate arrive at the 7 minute mark
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
im sorry, but Alicia is a top class toss. His micro was sublime and played way better than MC for the win. stop trolling plz
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
It seems like he's slumping because he had such a great record. Same thing with Naniwa, he had a crazy win streak and as soon as he loses a few games it appears he is slumping... Same thing happened to Jaedong.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
This has been pretty unfair from the beginning, but there's no way MLG will pay for MC to come over in the last minute and then ruin their big IdrA vs Korean invite day one opening by putting him in the open.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
The point is somewhat valid; but the reality of any weekend tournament is that you *will* play a lot of games against opponents you haven't prepared for, so you need to cover off all the matchups. The group players are still in a better situation than the open bracket, which is basically a gigantic series of unknown matches from start to finish
in this example, If Tyler didn't prepare to play PvP then he could be knocked out as soon as he left his group anyway....
THAT IS AWESOME! My protoss HERO!! But in retrospect- i feel really sorry for all the NA players. Cheers for an all korean finals i guess. =] Good Luck to July as well. July vs MC rematch finals ?
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
im sorry, but Alicia is a top class toss. His micro was sublime and played way better than MC for the win. stop trolling plz
Aaaaand imma go with this. MC got outplayed by Alicia. He didn't get cannon rushed or some such, he lost two games, one with an aggressive build and a defensive build. Getting BBBPrimed and losing? Yeah, alright, you can lose to someone below your skill level that way. But AliMCia's builds weren't that divergent.
Alicia did better in those games. May not be indicative of anything. But Alicia isn't 'way below his skill level.' MC got outplayed. Maybe it was just that day.
Hopefully the across-the-stage latency isn't going to be game-breaking.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
And the same does not apply to MC?
I think people are overestimating the amount practise pros put in for these kind of short tournaments. I mean specific opponents and matchups.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
And the same does not apply to MC?
MC hasn't potentially wasted time preparing specific strategies for the matchups. While I doubt they did extensively prepare, they could have spent hours preparing something for the Bomber matchup and even analyzing his replays. In reality I doubt they prepared much at all, but it's still stupid
I'm not too excited for MC, mostly because I didn't particularly enjoy seeing him take Dreamhack or Copenhagen games in a one-sided fashion.
Just hoping someone can knock him out.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
It's cute how worried everyone is for Tyler.
But hey, at least now you've got another excuse for him losing, right?
I'm loving this but I don't know why people are freaking out about the Koreans. YES, they are absolute monsters but everybody thought that they will dominate TSL as well but it turned out quite different (Cross-server lag issues or not).
Either way, this should be one of the best MLGs so far and I can't wait for it to start ^_^ gl all
I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
On June 02 2011 21:19 Gingerninja wrote: Can't wait to see July tearing through the open bracket. MC could turn up and walk it, or turn up and play terrible, I just can't gauge the guy at all. One minute he's the best SC2 player without question, next he's being knocked out of groups or rnd64 by someone way below his skill level.
im sorry, but Alicia is a top class toss. His micro was sublime and played way better than MC for the win. stop trolling plz
Not Trolling, Alicia is a good player, but if you ask everyone to list who will win the next GSL, I bet MC gets 10 x at least the votes Alicia does, and its not because he's popular, but because on his day MC is one of the best. Alicia is up and coming, but is still not champion material just yet.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Pretty bold statement. I would say Idra is up there with zenio, Min, perhaps Losira. Well, "isn't much worse" is a little misleading. I guess you're right, he's not "much worse", but at the same time he's far from having nestea's skill. The problem is that now idra train with not very good players (relatively of course), so it's impossible to judge his real skill. I'd like to see him against every MLG koreans to be able to judge.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Pretty bold statement. I would say Idra is up there with zenio, Min, perhaps Losira. Well, "isn't much worse" is a little misleading. I guess you're right, he's not "much worse", but at the same time he's far from having nestea's skill. The problem is that now idra train with not very good players (relatively of course), so it's impossible to judge his real skill. I'd like to see him against every MLG koreans to be able to judge.
At least in ZvP Idra is far behind the top Koreans.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
On June 02 2011 14:56 ImHuko wrote: If Idra has to face MC first round that will be stupid. One of his hardest opponents up first and suddenly, oh its not Bomber anymore, oh and its a Protoss, have fun for the entire tournament Idra.
He'll most likely have been practicing his zvt pretty heavily for his games vs select and bomber. Then, two days before he plays, "sorry you're going to play the hardest pvz possible".
Well, at least he has a fairly good chance of beating everyone else in the group.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
And the same does not apply to MC?
I think people are overestimating the amount practise pros put in for these kind of short tournaments. I mean specific opponents and matchups.
It depends on the pro, but I don't think they are, especially depending on the group. Most of the players when asked about their groups talked about how they planned on practicing specific matchups because their groups had three of a certain race, or how one player being the only one of his race in a group has a slight advantage because he has one less matchup to practice than the rest of his pool.
Now is it anything to get all worked up about? Not even a little bit.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
As an overall player, no question, it isn't even close. Purely ZvT, I can see why you might say Idra isn't "much" worse than Nestea. Not that the logic of "Nestea beat Bomber, then so could Idra" is even applicable because they're completely different players.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
Wasn't SeleCt one of the NA representant at Blizzcon still ? :x
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
I'm very hesitant to judge IdrA over the last 3 months. Who has he played?
I mean, he be rollin face on the ladder. I've watched his stream, hell, I have a mobile update for his twitter so I can know when he's streaming. But the NA ladder is notoriously blah (yes, I'm in silver on an awful ladder, shut up :V).
Love the Proxy Gracktory, but I don't think we can actually judge his relative skill right now. About 36 hours from now, we can start doing that.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
Wasn't SeleCt one of the NA representant at Blizzcon still ? :x
Idra was one of the 'Koreans' at IEM Cologne as well I think. Doesn't mean much.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Pretty bold statement. I would say Idra is up there with zenio, Min, perhaps Losira. Well, "isn't much worse" is a little misleading. I guess you're right, he's not "much worse", but at the same time he's far from having nestea's skill. The problem is that now idra train with not very good players (relatively of course), so it's impossible to judge his real skill. I'd like to see him against every MLG koreans to be able to judge.
At least in ZvP Idra is far behind the top Koreans.
Yep. I would have loved to see him VS bomber, my personal main event of the weekend Idra vT is reputed strong, wanted to see this game so bad grrrr.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
lmao what a sad day, the only korean protoss that has won not one but two GSLs and is winning every foreign lan he enters is considered a nobody and is supposedly worse than Bomber who hasn't done anything. Bomber's biggest accomplishment is beating MVP, who even Ganzi just beat in a TvT. None of the prior foreign invites are even close to as successful as MC but people are acting as if they are his superior when all of them just got out of Code A. People are excited to see July supposedly tear it up but MC is 7-1 against him.
On June 02 2011 22:06 Blasphemi wrote: He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
He's definitely American, otherwise he would be in the Korean army right now. He wouldn't be allowed to represent NA in Blizzcon if he didn't have citizenship =/
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
I'm very hesitant to judge IdrA over the last 3 months. Who has he played?
I mean, he be rollin face on the ladder. I've watched his stream, hell, I have a mobile update for his twitter so I can know when he's streaming. But the NA ladder is notoriously blah (yes, I'm in silver on an awful ladder, shut up :V).
Love the Proxy Gracktory, but I don't think we can actually judge his relative skill right now. About 36 hours from now, we can start doing that.
True, but watching him play, he seems to have really branched out into doing a lot of different things, and has implemented a lot of cheesy timings and all-ins that keep his opponents guessing at least. He might not be quite Korean quality, but comparing his game now to his 2010/early 2011 form is a night and day difference.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
On June 02 2011 22:06 Blasphemi wrote: He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
He's definitely American, otherwise he would be in the Korean army right now. He wouldn't be allowed to represent NA in Blizzcon if he didn't have citizenship =/
Idra represented Korea at IEM World Championships. I don't think Blizzard are checking passports at the door. Regardless, he moved to the US as an adult to study I think, so he's still clearly Korean.
If I moved to France and occasionally people asked me to represent France at a Computer Game I would, but I'd still be English.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
I'm very hesitant to judge IdrA over the last 3 months. Who has he played?
I mean, he be rollin face on the ladder. I've watched his stream, hell, I have a mobile update for his twitter so I can know when he's streaming. But the NA ladder is notoriously blah (yes, I'm in silver on an awful ladder, shut up :V).
Love the Proxy Gracktory, but I don't think we can actually judge his relative skill right now. About 36 hours from now, we can start doing that.
True, but watching him play, he seems to have really branched out into doing a lot of different things, and has implemented a lot of cheesy timings and all-ins that keep his opponents guessing at least. He might not be quite Korean quality, but comparing his game now to his 2010/early 2011 form is a night and day difference.
Idra is Korean quality, he's just not Nestea quality.
I don't get the excitement over up and comers in the SC2 scene. Fresh players are great and all, but it's pretty funny seeing the heaps of "X is overrated!" "Y is in a slump!" "Z was never good!" claims as soon as MVP, MC, etc lose a set, while players like MMA or Bomber (don't get me wrong, I like both of them myself) are suddenly totally the new best thing after getting a couple wins in GSTL or whatever. This is especially true in MC's case - he's won more major events than any other player is even close to getting to date, yet if he doesn't win this MLG (which is, statistically, very likely), there will be armies of haters claiming he's "done for" and was never good, while if Bomber was in the place he was supposed to be in, and got knocked out right away, all we'd see would be "oh well he'll do better next time BOMBER BEST". I just don't get it - nobody said Jaedong is terrible after he dropped a set to ZerO.
I'd love to see Nani vs MC... the two best PvP players in the world in the most lag-friendly environment that currently exists. Keepin my fingers crossed.
On June 02 2011 21:30 sambo400 wrote: Does anyone else think its unfair to put him in pools the day before the event? Now Tyler has to play a PvP that he probably hasn't prepared for.
And the same does not apply to MC?
Poor tyler...... now he is going to do bad for the first time in a while..........
On June 02 2011 22:31 StarCraft64 wrote: I'd love to see Nani vs MC... the two best PvP players in the world in the most lag-friendly environment that currently exists. Keepin my fingers crossed.
On June 02 2011 22:30 Zombie_Velociraptor wrote: I don't get the excitement over up and comers in the SC2 scene. Fresh players are great and all, but it's pretty funny seeing the heaps of "X is overrated!" "Y is in a slump!" "Z was never good!" claims as soon as MVP, MC, etc lose a set, while players like MMA or Bomber (don't get me wrong, I like both of them myself) are suddenly totally the new best thing after getting a couple wins in GSTL or whatever. This is especially true in MC's case - he's won more major events than any other player is even close to getting to date, yet if he doesn't win this MLG (which is, statistically, very likely), there will be armies of haters claiming he's "done for" and was never good, while if Bomber was in the place he was supposed to be in, and got knocked out right away, all we'd see would be "oh well he'll do better next time BOMBER BEST". I just don't get it - nobody said Jaedong is terrible after he dropped a set to ZerO.
Lose 2 games because you fast expanded versus an aggressive terran. Lose 2 games in PvP Get a 3-kill versus Ace, Bomber, July in the GSTL Win Copenhagen Win Dreamhack Get to round of 4 Stars War tournament so far as the only non-Chinese player
=
IRREVERSIBLE SLUMP, HE IS OLD NEWS
don't forget that HUGE ROFLSTOMP ONE-SIDED 3-2 victory of Thorzain v MC while MC was participating in three different tournaments almost simultaneously and all Thorzain did was practice specifically against MC,two wins coming from the same 2-2 timing push and the last game coming from a strategy that was immediately nerfed afterwards.
SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
I think many people include Jinro and Huk when they say "Koreans" as in Korea based players. I have no problem with people calling Select a NA player. That doesn't mean he's a citizen though only the geographical location he's playing from.
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
Lmao. I'm Korean, born in Korea but have been living in the United States. I consider myself to be American. We weren't talking about nationalities it was whether an American will win the MLG. SeleCT fits that category.
Late last night, MLG was informed that Startale Bomber, one of the Korean pro players invited as part of the GSL/MLG League Exchange, would not be able to make his flight because of emigration problems he encountered while at the airport in Seoul. We are very sorry that Bomber will not be joining us in Columbus, and we are working to resolve the issue so that he can attend future Pro Circuit Events.
To fill the spot Bomber's absence has created in the roster and the Pools, MLG reached out to a player who we believed would be a spectacular addition to MLG Columbus, and we are very happy to announce that he, and his team, have accepted the offer. Attending in Bomber's place will be none other than oGsMC.
We share your disappointment that Bomber will not be attending, and we are greatly looking forward to his participation in future Pro Circuit Events. At the same time, we could not have asked for a better participant than MC. We'd like to thank him and all of oGs for agreeing to our offer on such short notice. MC will be taking Bomber's spot in Pool C; all schedules on the site will be updated to reflect this before the start of the Tournament on Friday.
I'm super disappointed that Bomber can't make it. We spent quite a while last night working with GSL and our contacts in Korea trying to find a way to get Bomber his exit visa. As I understand the issue, Bomber has an older passport which requires a paper application (as opposed to an electronic application) for an EXIT visa from the S. Korean government (NOTE: Not the US Gov't). Unfortunately, it takes 7 days to get this processed which is just too late for the event.
We're working to make sure that Bomber can come to a future MLG event and hope to welcome him soon.
I've been talking with the oGs folks for a while about getting MC and some of other great oGs players to an MLG. Thankfully, MC was able to come and MLG booked his flight last night a short 7 hours before he was scheduled to depart.
MC will arrive later tonight at 1130ET. We're very excited to have him here and wish him the best of luck.
One last note, the only reason we didn't make this official last night (Since everyone already knew) is that we wanted to make absolutely certain that MC was on his flight and was going to make it. I wasn't expecting any problems, but the last thing I wanted to do was tell everyone he was coming, and then say "OWHAIT."
On June 02 2011 22:24 ffadicted wrote: Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
Constantly top 5 GM with 79% winrate = average player
On June 02 2011 22:31 StarCraft64 wrote: I'd love to see Nani vs MC... the two best PvP players in the world in the most lag-friendly environment that currently exists. Keepin my fingers crossed.
Inca is better than both at PvP.
May be true in Korea, but Inca's yet to prove himself internationally. + Show Spoiler +
He recently lost to Cruncher 2-0 in the FXO Invitational.
His record in Korea is phenomenal, but Naniwa and MC have played (and had great success) in several international events. Until Inca has foreign success, I'll have to rank Naniwa and MC at the top. I wish there was a North American standout Protoss, but until then I'm thankful that the best are at least coming here to play .
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
Lmao. I'm Korean, born in Korea but have been living in the United States. I consider myself to be American. We weren't talking about nationalities it was whether an American will win the MLG. SeleCT fits that category.
But since when though. It's a bit different if you were born in Korea and within a month moved to America where you grew up and spend the rest of your life. Than it is to actually grow up in Korea and in the last few years move to America to study. One of the reasons he went back to America after he participated in the GSL Qualifiers was because his visa doesn't allow him to be outside the country for too long. Even though it's his own country.
And they are talking about nationalities, and so are you because that is what an American or a Korean is. It is a nationality. So for me, I would just go off the passport and if someone has both, like legit real passports you need to spend more than 10 years for to become eligible. Then they can be both and switch and stuff. Maybe it would be best to just leave it up to SeleCT himself. I think he would say he is Korean.
To note, because maybe you were getting at that. If SeleCT wins or does well vs the incoming Koreans, I would count that as a "victory" for the west since that is where he plays, how he practices and so in ways it is the foundation of his play. He'd still be a Korean though. Seulektah fighting!
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
He credited his loss to Zenio due to him not knowing the metagame which pretty much tells us everything we need to know. He left Korea and is slowly falling behind.
It's no problem. Us North American players love how you guys are paying for them to come here to win the 5K tournament. I mean who in North American would want to see a North American player win anyways? E-sports in North American doesn't need to have that "Hero" to market the game around in NA. -_-a^.......
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
He credited his loss to Zenio due to him not knowing the metagame which pretty much tells us everything we need to know. He left Korea and is slowly falling behind.
KR protoss are falling behind as well compared to EU and CN protoss =)
But yeah. It's unfair to even compare IdrA and KR zergs anymore. Practicing with EG and shitty NA ladder is not the same as practicin with IM or oGs or KR ladder =/
I think it would be a good idea for any korean interested in playing in any foreign tournaments to take the time right now and get their exit visa taken care of.
On June 02 2011 22:24 ffadicted wrote: Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
Constantly top 5 GM with 79% winrate = average player
Only on TL...
Well, he's playing on the NA server, kind of explains it.
On June 02 2011 23:30 Pandemona wrote: I heard US security did not allow ST Bomber into America for Terrorist fears?
Any confirmation....
I think LiquidHaypro (aka Hayder Hussein) should have more problems with that. But wouldn't be surprising. HAHA! The USA is really retarded with all this patriotic shit.
On June 02 2011 23:24 Nizzy wrote: It's no problem. Us North American players love how you guys are paying for them to come here to win the 5K tournament. I mean who in North American would want to see a North American player win anyways? E-sports in North American doesn't need to have that "Hero" to market the game around in NA. -_-a^.......
How will the player be a hero if he can't compete with the world's best?
On June 02 2011 23:30 Pandemona wrote: I heard US security did not allow ST Bomber into America for Terrorist fears?
Any confirmation....
I think LiquidHaypro (aka Hayder Hussein) should have more problems with that. But wouldn't be surprising. HAHA! The USA is really retarded with all this patriotic shit.
Ya, what dumbasses. They should let everybody on their planes, just like they used to. Nothing would happen, what paranoid idiots.........
On June 02 2011 23:30 Pandemona wrote: I heard US security did not allow ST Bomber into America for Terrorist fears?
Any confirmation....
I think LiquidHaypro (aka Hayder Hussein) should have more problems with that. But wouldn't be surprising. HAHA! The USA is really retarded with all this patriotic shit.
Nope, I'm pretty sure he didn't have the right visa (source = an article on TL somewhere I think). Something about that he didn't have an electronic one. So yeah they probably didn't let him in.
I think LiquidHaypro (aka Hayder Hussein) should have more problems with that. But wouldn't be surprising. HAHA! The USA is really retarded with all this patriotic shit.
Yea they totally should have just let him in without the proper visa that everyone else is required to have. I mean, dont they know who he is?!?!?!
[offtopic]Not long ago I read something about a 10year old kid, who caught by a secret service agent in his school, because he posted something about Obama on the internet. Most of the Americans are just retards, when it comes to things like this. And this "War against Terror"-Bullshit is just about Oil and everyone knows it. Iraq had absolutly no bio-weapons, not nearly! They've got invaded because of their oil. Watch the movie "Fairgame" with Sean Penn, it's a good story around this topic basing on real facts![/offtopic]
YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is awesome! I like MC's skill and playstyle, and July is my favorite Zerg!!!!!! <3 Thanks to Hotbid and Milkis for the news
On June 02 2011 23:47 Greentellon wrote: Wait? MLG is this weekend? Oh Sh--, I almost missed it by accident. Thanks guys
I was in the same position!!! Omfg this is going to be freaking awesome :D I'm eager to see Fenix playing even thou ppl don't seem to care to much about him lololol.
On June 03 2011 00:07 Sm3agol wrote: Shouldn't the Koreans be in the open bracket? I think it would be fun as a no-namer to be facing MC in your first round matchup.
July's in the Open brackets as he's the CSN representative.
MC be in the Championship Bracket as he's taking Bomber's spot as the GSL representative and that's part of the MLG-GSL deal.
On June 03 2011 00:07 Sm3agol wrote: Shouldn't the Koreans be in the open bracket? I think it would be fun as a no-namer to be facing MC in your first round matchup.
I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
On June 02 2011 23:48 Anda wrote: [offtopic]Not long ago I read something about a 10year old kid, who caught by a secret service agent in his school, because he posted something about Obama on the internet. Most of the Americans are just retards, when it comes to things like this. And this "War against Terror"-Bullshit is just about Oil and everyone knows it. Iraq had absolutly no bio-weapons, not nearly! They've got invaded because of their oil. Watch the movie "Fairgame" with Sean Penn, it's a good story around this topic basing on real facts![/offtopic]
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VX / Sarin / Cyclosarin / other variants of the G series / V series and other nerve agents...and they found a bunch of other WMDs... they have used it on neighbouring countries at least once pre 1991...
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
He credited his loss to Zenio due to him not knowing the metagame which pretty much tells us everything we need to know. He left Korea and is slowly falling behind.
KR protoss are falling behind as well compared to EU and CN protoss =)
But yeah. It's unfair to even compare IdrA and KR zergs anymore. Practicing with EG and shitty NA ladder is not the same as practicin with IM or oGs or KR ladder =/
And MC has won so many PvP's versus non Koreans. Ace recently beat Hasu Obs and Squirtle is like 6-1 in his NASL group and that's all with the lag nevermind in a LAN.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
He credited his loss to Zenio due to him not knowing the metagame which pretty much tells us everything we need to know. He left Korea and is slowly falling behind.
KR protoss are falling behind as well compared to EU and CN protoss =)
But yeah. It's unfair to even compare IdrA and KR zergs anymore. Practicing with EG and shitty NA ladder is not the same as practicin with IM or oGs or KR ladder =/
And MC has won so many PvP's versus non Koreans. Ace recently beat Hasu Obs and Squirtle is like 6-1 in his NASL group and that's all with the lag nevermind in a LAN.
I dont see how the non koreans stand a chance against koreans without lag in their game
On June 02 2011 21:58 YeYo wrote: yeah americans arnt winnning MLG this year
Tbf they weren't winning before MC decided to come, players like Select, Naniwa, MMA, July, Losira are just too strong. I think most people would say only Idra has a chance and maybe Kiwikaki.
SeleCT is considered American.
He's not American. He was born in Korea, spent most of his life in Korea, I'm guessing owns a Korean and not American Passport. He's no more Korean than TLO is Swedish or Jinro is Korean, where you live does not define your nationality.
Lmao. I'm Korean, born in Korea but have been living in the United States. I consider myself to be American. We weren't talking about nationalities it was whether an American will win the MLG. SeleCT fits that category.
SeleCT has lived in the US a few years max, not most of his life. He's Korean and speaks broken English with a Korean accent, I can't believe this is up for debate.
On June 02 2011 22:31 StarCraft64 wrote: I'd love to see Nani vs MC... the two best PvP players in the world in the most lag-friendly environment that currently exists. Keepin my fingers crossed.
Inca is better than both at PvP.
May be true in Korea, but Inca's yet to prove himself internationally. + Show Spoiler +
He recently lost to Cruncher 2-0 in the FXO Invitational.
His record in Korea is phenomenal, but Naniwa and MC have played (and had great success) in several international events. Until Inca has foreign success, I'll have to rank Naniwa and MC at the top. I wish there was a North American standout Protoss, but until then I'm thankful that the best are at least coming here to play .
Naniwa hasn't proven himself in Korea.
MC is the only Protoss (or in fact player) to win major Korean and International trophies.
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
I think many people include Jinro and Huk when they say "Koreans" as in Korea based players. I have no problem with people calling Select a NA player. That doesn't mean he's a citizen though only the geographical location he's playing from.
America is full of mixed ethnic. Just like Goku came from another planet or piccolo was from the planet namek, they will always defend earth because its their home...
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
I think many people include Jinro and Huk when they say "Koreans" as in Korea based players. I have no problem with people calling Select a NA player. That doesn't mean he's a citizen though only the geographical location he's playing from.
America is full of mixed ethnic. Just like Goku came from another planet or piccolo was from the planet namek, they will always defend earth because its their home...
Select is not an American who is ethnically Korean, he is a proper Korean who is studying in America for a few years having lived in Korea almost his entire life. He's not a citizen and he doesn't have fluent English, he's not American, it's simple.
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
I think many people include Jinro and Huk when they say "Koreans" as in Korea based players. I have no problem with people calling Select a NA player. That doesn't mean he's a citizen though only the geographical location he's playing from.
America is full of mixed ethnic. Just like Goku came from another planet or piccolo was from the planet namek, they will always defend earth because its their home...
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
I think many people include Jinro and Huk when they say "Koreans" as in Korea based players. I have no problem with people calling Select a NA player. That doesn't mean he's a citizen though only the geographical location he's playing from.
America is full of mixed ethnic. Just like Goku came from another planet or piccolo was from the planet namek, they will always defend earth because its their home...
Gotta hand it to MC, he does travel alot to play in the EU+US. Pretty cool guy. Even though I was looking forward to see Bomber, as there has been a bit of hype around him, its still nice to see that MC going instead.
On June 02 2011 22:39 Quintum_ wrote: SeleCT is not a US citizen, i am 99% sure he has a student visa. I remember he tried to enter some tournament that required US citizenship and he got denied. I think it was a couple weeks ago
Yeah it's actually funny that so many people consider him American but at the same time nobody considers qxc Spanish or Jinro Korean
I think many people include Jinro and Huk when they say "Koreans" as in Korea based players. I have no problem with people calling Select a NA player. That doesn't mean he's a citizen though only the geographical location he's playing from.
America is full of mixed ethnic. Just like Goku came from another planet or piccolo was from the planet namek, they will always defend earth because its their home...
Select is not an American who is ethnically Korean, he is a proper Korean who is studying in America for a few years having lived in Korea almost his entire life. He's not a citizen and he doesn't have fluent English, he's not American, it's simple.
He is however a movingly fluent speaker of the universal language of karaoke.
Oooh, I'm gonna place my bet on MC this time. He's a bi-winner, wins one, loses one, wins one etc. And seeing how he got stomped in the Super Tournament, he's all set to rip out some nerd hearts!
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
He credited his loss to Zenio due to him not knowing the metagame which pretty much tells us everything we need to know. He left Korea and is slowly falling behind.
KR protoss are falling behind as well compared to EU and CN protoss =)
But yeah. It's unfair to even compare IdrA and KR zergs anymore. Practicing with EG and shitty NA ladder is not the same as practicin with IM or oGs or KR ladder =/
And MC has won so many PvP's versus non Koreans. Ace recently beat Hasu Obs and Squirtle is like 6-1 in his NASL group and that's all with the lag nevermind in a LAN.
And Socke have Squirtles number, what's your point?
On June 02 2011 22:31 StarCraft64 wrote: I'd love to see Nani vs MC... the two best PvP players in the world in the most lag-friendly environment that currently exists. Keepin my fingers crossed.
Inca is better than both at PvP.
May be true in Korea, but Inca's yet to prove himself internationally. + Show Spoiler +
He recently lost to Cruncher 2-0 in the FXO Invitational.
His record in Korea is phenomenal, but Naniwa and MC have played (and had great success) in several international events. Until Inca has foreign success, I'll have to rank Naniwa and MC at the top. I wish there was a North American standout Protoss, but until then I'm thankful that the best are at least coming here to play .
Naniwa hasn't proven himself in Korea.
MC is the only Protoss (or in fact player) to win major Korean and International trophies.
Very true. What I was trying to argue was that Naniwa has performed well against a wide variety of opponents from different servers in tournaments, which I believe is important considering how vastly different play styles can be.
Best of luck to all the NA/EU players. After the TSL, I'm sure the koreans are going to want to show their dominance to the rest of the world. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.
On June 03 2011 00:20 mmgironi wrote: I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
Simply practicing XvT is not going to cover you for a completely different player even if he is playing the same race. That and what Terran player lost first round of GSL super tournament who is able to replace Bomber?
Lyn would've been an ok replacement, I'm sure a lot of fans would've loved to see him at a lan for SC2 now. Boxer is a legend but I doubt he would leave his team especially with some slayers people making into the ro32 Ryung > Inca. Jinro would've also been an option maybe but he's not even Korean and defeats the purpose of the foreign agreement.
Well I agree players will have little time to prepare for MC/July like they did for bomber, the same can be said for July and MC. They are now flying over to compete against the best players NA has to offer, I doubt they would need the practice but I'm sure they would love some info at least. I bet Huk gave MC the fast recap of what all of these NA players are like if MC doesn't already know.
On June 03 2011 00:20 mmgironi wrote: I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
Simply practicing XvT is not going to cover you for a completely different player even if he is playing the same race. That and what Terran player lost first round of GSL super tournament who is able to replace Bomber?
Lyn would've been an ok replacement, I'm sure a lot of fans would've loved to see him at a lan for SC2 now. Boxer is a legend but I doubt he would leave his team especially with some slayers people making into the ro32 Ryung > Inca. Jinro would've also been an option maybe but he's not even Korean and defeats the purpose of the foreign agreement.
Well I agree players will have little time to prepare for MC/July like they did for bomber, the same can be said for July and MC. They are now flying over to compete against the best players NA has to offer, I doubt they would need the practice but I'm sure they would love some info at least. I bet Huk gave MC the fast recap of what all of these NA players are like if MC doesn't already know.
From a spectators perspective, MC is a far better choice than Lyn, Ryung or anyone else like that. We're the ones keeping MLG in business so I don't see why only players should get a say in these things.
On June 02 2011 21:52 Zeon0 wrote: I'd love a statement from IdrA, I'm pretty sure MC is a much harder opponent for him (or at least in his opinion) than Bomber (ZvT best MU, ZvP worst). Also Nestea beat Bomber very convincingly, and I really dont think IdrA is much worse than Nestea
Yes he is.
Eh. Maybe 3 months ago. Watching Idra, it really seems like he's vastly improved himself over the last few months, while many of the korean zergs are kind of stagnating.
While he probably isn't better, saying he's "Much worse" is definitely not true.
Have you seen Nestea play recently? The gap now is bigger than it's ever been.
Ya pretty much, I don't even think Idra would do well in Code A anymore, and seeing him get completely outplayed in every possible way in two long macro games (one of which Zenio got off to an awful start) did nothing to change my opinion on that.
Idra is just an average player that refuses to change his strategies and they have become outdated and stale nowadays
He credited his loss to Zenio due to him not knowing the metagame which pretty much tells us everything we need to know. He left Korea and is slowly falling behind.
KR protoss are falling behind as well compared to EU and CN protoss =)
But yeah. It's unfair to even compare IdrA and KR zergs anymore. Practicing with EG and shitty NA ladder is not the same as practicin with IM or oGs or KR ladder =/
And MC has won so many PvP's versus non Koreans. Ace recently beat Hasu Obs and Squirtle is like 6-1 in his NASL group and that's all with the lag nevermind in a LAN.
And Socke have Squirtles number, what's your point?
Squirtle is Code B. Socke is a top three EU Protoss.
Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
On June 02 2011 23:48 Anda wrote: [offtopic]Not long ago I read something about a 10year old kid, who caught by a secret service agent in his school, because he posted something about Obama on the internet. Most of the Americans are just retards, when it comes to things like this. And this "War against Terror"-Bullshit is just about Oil and everyone knows it. Iraq had absolutly no bio-weapons, not nearly! They've got invaded because of their oil. Watch the movie "Fairgame" with Sean Penn, it's a good story around this topic basing on real facts![/offtopic]
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Hmm. People felt better about losing bomber.. now feel worse about getting MC.. Sigh FUCK i should have woken up this morning and gone.. last minute planning ftl.
On June 02 2011 14:41 Santi wrote: jesus christ god help the NA players
NA players need help against everything lol
but srsly? MC.July.Moon..................... what else do we want
Moon is more on the level of a foreigner IMO, not one of the better Koreans, I could see him being beaten.
Agreed somewhat, but Moon is actually really good and he noticeably plays better each time we see him in action. I'm thinking Moon will produce some results.
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
I guess you didn't listen to Artosis when he said that July can macro like no body's business if he wants to . July likes to play macro games too , but if he sees that you are playing greedy he will punish you . Also July likes to play greedy himself since he is very confident in his abilities to hold of early harras or all - ins . If he gets punished for it and gets pissed about it you can expect to see him baneling bust you the next game . If July doesn't take significant damage early or middle game you can expect him to steamroll almost anyone in late game . A good example is his first game against MVP in the GOMTV World Championship .
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
July plays the game properly. If a Terran player sees a Protoss go for a nexus-first, his primary strategy should not be a long macro-game, it should be to kill the Protoss immediately because he has sniffed out a major vulnerability. July is similarly great at playing a macro game until he sees a key weakness and then going all-out until the opponent is dead.
July is a Golden Mouse winner from BW and clearly has the ability to rock long macro games, as he did in his first victory against MVP in their Ro32 group earlier in the year (Jan GSL?). His game against HuK last month was a clinic on how to use positional play in SC2 on Crossfire-- every time HuK moved out, July's ling/roach force moved in to counter HuK's natural, then withdrew as he came back home, creating a stalemate that let July macro up and eventually roll HuK over.
He may go for aggression, but notice that he wins with it..
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
This is really moronic. You use last night's match as your only evidence, but in that exact same set July went to 5 bases and won... come on dude.
On June 03 2011 00:20 mmgironi wrote: I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
On June 03 2011 00:20 mmgironi wrote: I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
Ya, because mc has been prepping for weeks to play them. You realize protoss are in the tournament? They kinda have to beat toss too...
i'm stoked to see some baller games hosted by the fantastic 5.
in other news, in the top 3/bottom 3 thread for mlg columbo, I officially retract my statement regarding idra winning now that he plays MC round 1. its gonna throw him off his game :X.
On June 03 2011 00:20 mmgironi wrote: I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
Ya, because mc has been prepping for weeks to play them. You realize protoss are in the tournament? They kinda have to beat toss too...
The only good point people are making is for example Tyler situation, where he was the only protoss in the group and was going to have 2 PvZ and 2 PvT, ofc he practiced for PvP too for the matches after the group phase but not as much as the other matchups, and now he was MC there, so its kinda bad for him.
On June 03 2011 00:20 mmgironi wrote: I cant see players in Bomber's group react well to this. They practiced for weeks for a XvT and they get a XvP vs possibly the best protoss in the world... GSL kind of messed up there imo, and MLG should have insisted atleast to sen a Terran to replace bomber...
Ya, because mc has been prepping for weeks to play them. You realize protoss are in the tournament? They kinda have to beat toss too...
The only good point people are making is for example Tyler situation, where he was the only protoss in the group and was going to have 2 PvZ and 2 PvT, ofc he practiced for PvP too for the matches after the group phase but not as much as the other matchups, and now he was MC there, so its kinda bad for him.
If better players advance, it's for the good of us viewers.
Sure, every good player wouldn't mind if specific players they fear weren't there I'd think - with so much money on the line - but really, for us spectators, this is great.
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
July plays the game properly. If a Terran player sees a Protoss go for a nexus-first, his primary strategy should not be a long macro-game, it should be to kill the Protoss immediately because he has sniffed out a major vulnerability. July is similarly great at playing a macro game until he sees a key weakness and then going all-out until the opponent is dead.
July is a Golden Mouse winner from BW and clearly has the ability to rock long macro games, as he did in his first victory against MVP in their Ro32 group earlier in the year (Jan GSL?). His game against HuK last month was a clinic on how to use positional play in SC2 on Crossfire-- every time HuK moved out, July's ling/roach force moved in to counter HuK's natural, then withdrew as he came back home, creating a stalemate that let July macro up and eventually roll HuK over.
He may go for aggression, but notice that he wins with it..
You realize July baneling busted MVP twice in their Ro32 group stage matches right?........
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
July plays the game properly. If a Terran player sees a Protoss go for a nexus-first, his primary strategy should not be a long macro-game, it should be to kill the Protoss immediately because he has sniffed out a major vulnerability. July is similarly great at playing a macro game until he sees a key weakness and then going all-out until the opponent is dead.
July is a Golden Mouse winner from BW and clearly has the ability to rock long macro games, as he did in his first victory against MVP in their Ro32 group earlier in the year (Jan GSL?). His game against HuK last month was a clinic on how to use positional play in SC2 on Crossfire-- every time HuK moved out, July's ling/roach force moved in to counter HuK's natural, then withdrew as he came back home, creating a stalemate that let July macro up and eventually roll HuK over.
He may go for aggression, but notice that he wins with it..
You realize July baneling busted MVP twice in their Ro32 group stage matches right?........
Sees an opening, goes for the kill. I fail to see the problem. Its not that all we seen from him is cheesy builds so its fine.
lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
MC has not practiced at all for his group and is putting a large amount of money on the table in the form of travel expenses and time with the very real possibility of losing and in the end actually being down money. He really can prepare for any of his opponents directly, while the normal group has only 1 wild card to deal with. Hes good, but MLG is a unique environment and his opponents shouldn't be dismissed off the cuff.
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
MC has not practiced at all for his group and is putting a large amount of money on the table in the form of travel expenses and time with the very real possibility of losing and in the end actually being down money. He really can prepare for any of his opponents directly, while the normal group has only 1 wild card to deal with. Hes good, but MLG is a unique environment and his opponents shouldn't be dismissed off the cuff.
Do you realize he gets the chance to compete in MLG for free?
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
July plays the game properly. If a Terran player sees a Protoss go for a nexus-first, his primary strategy should not be a long macro-game, it should be to kill the Protoss immediately because he has sniffed out a major vulnerability. July is similarly great at playing a macro game until he sees a key weakness and then going all-out until the opponent is dead.
July is a Golden Mouse winner from BW and clearly has the ability to rock long macro games, as he did in his first victory against MVP in their Ro32 group earlier in the year (Jan GSL?). His game against HuK last month was a clinic on how to use positional play in SC2 on Crossfire-- every time HuK moved out, July's ling/roach force moved in to counter HuK's natural, then withdrew as he came back home, creating a stalemate that let July macro up and eventually roll HuK over.
He may go for aggression, but notice that he wins with it..
You realize July baneling busted MVP twice in their Ro32 group stage matches right?........
Sees an opening, goes for the kill. I fail to see the problem. Its not that all we seen from him is cheesy builds so its fine.
well don't whine about when toss and terran go 1-2 bases all-in or cheese ok All the qq came from Zerg, not P. I said I dislike it b/c it's the easiest bust all-in ever. And he did it everytime he see no chance to win in normal game, so he had to do it.
Very disappointed, and I'm relieve I opted not to buy my plane ticket at the last minute. Was looking to Bomber more than anything else, but MC is a great player and the games will be good.
Hmm, since they placed the Korean players into groups based on their GSL ranking (with Losira having the highest ranking in that group), shouldn't MC take Losira's spot in Group D and vice versa, since I'm pretty sure MC has a much higher ranking than Losira.
That way, they can be consistent with their rankings, and it would be fair, since I would consider MC to be the strongest Korean, while pool D consists of people who ranked 4 and below in the last MLG.
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
MC has not practiced at all for his group and is putting a large amount of money on the table in the form of travel expenses and time with the very real possibility of losing and in the end actually being down money. He really can prepare for any of his opponents directly, while the normal group has only 1 wild card to deal with. Hes good, but MLG is a unique environment and his opponents shouldn't be dismissed off the cuff.
MLG is paying for his expenses. Since he is out of the GSL he really doesn't have anything except reputation on the line.
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
Lol that's completely ridiculous. Consider yourself lucky you get to watch MC at MLG and he accepted the opportunity. MC has accomplished more in Starcraft 2 than any single player there. He's probably just going for the fans, he plays in the Stars War tournament soon and that's a bigger prize pool, and he is going to be absolutely exhausted having go to Shanghai almost right after MLG. He could just sit in Korea practicing PvP all day for a much better chance to win $8500 without jetlag.
Lol at pretending that MLG is something amazing and that Koreans were just falling all over each other to get sent there.
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
Lol at pretending that MLG is something amazing and that Koreans were just falling all over each other to get sent there.
MLG could be something pretty amazing, the fan base is much different and energetic than what I've seen at GSL. Plus a lot of people are excited to go watch, I think you're discounting this as fan service as if the fans don't really add anything.
Hoping this goes overwhelming awesome and that Koreans start really wanting to go to MLG.
Wish I could've seen Idra's face when he found out MC got Bomber's place.
July is gonna take the open bracket with ease unless he hits someone like a Thorzain early on. Even then I think July has the best zvt on the planet (yes better than Nestea's) so i dont think Thorzain could beat him. ZvZ is his weakest matchup but i dont see any zergs good enough to beat him in this tournament except maybe Losira and Idra.
If I were a conspiracy theory guy (which I'm not) this whole situation seems like an elaborate ploy by the heads of the GSL to troll IdrA. If I remember from his interview correctly, one of the reasons he left Korea was the fact that there were a lot of pretty lucrative tournaments over here that were free from code S GSL competitors. Looks like GSL won't let the Gracken off that easy...
I feel sorry for everyone playing at MLG Columbus now, before you had some scary Koreans flying over to play against, now you have probably the best Protoss in the world to play against.
This has made MLG Columbus so much more interesting now, even though it would of been nice to see Bomber play, I think it will be even nicer to see MC play in another foreign tournament.
Everyone going as a spectator is super lucky as well to meet the God of War in person. Wish I was going!
On June 03 2011 03:44 BlackGosu wrote: lol at everyone whining about last second changes that they have to prepare against a mc on short notice. have you guys considered mc accepted this tournament on short notice too?
ridiculous double standard
Except that MC should consider himself lucky just to get such an invitation. It's not the same thing at all.
Lol at pretending that MLG is something amazing and that Koreans were just falling all over each other to get sent there.
MLG could be something pretty amazing, the fan base is much different and energetic than what I've seen at GSL. Plus a lot of people are excited to go watch, I think you're discounting this as fan service as if the fans don't really add anything.
Hoping this goes overwhelming awesome and that Koreans start really wanting to go to MLG.
Wish I could've seen Idra's face when he found out MC got Bomber's place.
Hence why I said he did it for the fans. The actual tournament itself isn't extremely prestigious for MC. I think he's probably one of few Koreans who could actually even communicate with the people attending in the first place. While interaction with the fans is great the guy I quoted was acting as if MC was given some great gift instead of the people being given one. Fans exist because of the work of players, players exist independent of fans even if they're a nice inspiration.
On June 03 2011 05:16 amazingoopah wrote: If anything, I think July should have gotten Bomber's spot and MC should have had to go through the open bracket.... just a small nitpick though...
Also, Idra imbalance rant incoming after his match with MC!! You know it's gonna happen!!!
edit: or epic BM after gg'ing.
facepalm.
1.) MC is 7-1 against July and a much higher seed, plus the only reason JulyZerg is attending was completely independent from the GSL-MLG exchange program. There is absolutely no reason that July deserves Bomber's spot more than Bomber's replacement. I seriously have no idea why foreigners seem to dislike MC so much that they think people like Bomber and July deserve more than him.
2.) IdrA would never complain or BM about MC. He's one of the few players I can't imagine him being mad he lost to. The idea that he rants or BMs every single person who ever beats him is so ridiculous, I'm not sure if it comes from a bunch of Husky worshippers or what.
On June 03 2011 05:30 Heavenly wrote: 2.) IdrA would never complain or BM about MC. He's one of the few players I can't imagine him being mad he lost to. The idea that he rants or BMs every single person who ever beats him is so ridiculous, I'm not sure if it comes from a bunch of Husky worshippers or what.
He was pretty angry after losing to MC at Dreamhack, he 6pooled the second set in frustration even though he nearly won the first.
On June 03 2011 05:30 Heavenly wrote: 2.) IdrA would never complain or BM about MC. He's one of the few players I can't imagine him being mad he lost to. The idea that he rants or BMs every single person who ever beats him is so ridiculous, I'm not sure if it comes from a bunch of Husky worshippers or what.
He was pretty angry after losing to MC at Dreamhack, he 6pooled the second set in frustration even though he nearly won the first.
Players cheese when they think they can't beat the other player straight up in that given situation. IdrA rages when he gets beaten by randoms on the ladder, or people like Drewbie or Minigun who have no accomplishments close to that of IdrA's. Sure he thinks Protoss is OP and probably would be mad if he loses to MC, but MC has far more prestige then IdrA himself does, even if he is using the so called imbalanced race.
Which is funny because Zergs have beaten destroying Protoss left and right lately.
Not happy with Bomber gone, but MC is a fantastic choice, good to see a Korean Protoss, and July?!?!?!! And the casting Archon!?!?! Here's to an awesome weekend with my free (via Dallas...) HD pass, stick a fork in those buns!!!
On June 03 2011 01:52 hitman123 wrote: Is it me or I'm really dislike July's play style. I mean last night he won the clash of titan houses semi and final against San and Taeja with banelings bust. He can't macro in long game vs other players, so he just cheese
July plays the game properly. If a Terran player sees a Protoss go for a nexus-first, his primary strategy should not be a long macro-game, it should be to kill the Protoss immediately because he has sniffed out a major vulnerability. July is similarly great at playing a macro game until he sees a key weakness and then going all-out until the opponent is dead.
July is a Golden Mouse winner from BW and clearly has the ability to rock long macro games, as he did in his first victory against MVP in their Ro32 group earlier in the year (Jan GSL?). His game against HuK last month was a clinic on how to use positional play in SC2 on Crossfire-- every time HuK moved out, July's ling/roach force moved in to counter HuK's natural, then withdrew as he came back home, creating a stalemate that let July macro up and eventually roll HuK over.
He may go for aggression, but notice that he wins with it..
You realize July baneling busted MVP twice in their Ro32 group stage matches right?........
Sees an opening, goes for the kill. I fail to see the problem. Its not that all we seen from him is cheesy builds so its fine.
Not complaining about July's style, just saying that this statement isn't true: "July is a Golden Mouse winner from BW and clearly has the ability to rock long macro games, as he did in his first victory against MVP in their Ro32 group earlier in the year"
Both of those games were baneling bust and even though MVP lived through the baneling bust in the first game, it was still a very fast game - definitely not a long macro game.
MC is actually one of the few players idra acknowledges, along with Nestea and MVP. During Nestea's first run, idra thought nestea sucked, but a couple more GSL's Idra said Nestea is good. He said MarineKing was bad however, even after making 3 deep GSL runs. Im not sure what Idra thinks of MKP now though.
BAHAHHHAHAHAHAH Idra vs MC? I think idra has a 12% chance of winning that match MC is so good at PvZ and he even said it himself that he thinks he will never lose a PvZ...
I wonder if Idra will rage out MC after losing to two 6 gate timings lol. MC has bad manner too holy crap drama!
On June 03 2011 06:23 koolaid1990 wrote: MC is actually one of the few players idra acknowledges, along with Nestea and MVP. During Nestea's first run, idra thought nestea sucked, but a couple more GSL's Idra said Nestea is good. He said MarineKing was bad however, even after making 3 deep GSL runs. Im not sure what Idra thinks of MKP now though.
Idra actually recently said that MC is gimmicky and players are figuring him out now. I expect MC to not lose a game to idra, with all games under 15 minutes. His early pressure will crush Idra.
MLG flubs Dallas. Their response? Double up redundancy with satellite trucks. Bring in four notable Koreans. Toss in some freebies for people who got hosed on the Dallas stream. What? One of your four Koreans can't make it? Go get their fucking Protoss leader, and bring him before us. Do it in a few hours, and smoke while doing so.
If stream issues are actually resolved, and the HD quality is good, this weekend is going to be epic!
Which is funny because Zergs have beaten destroying Protoss left and right lately.
This is true, Zerg learned to abuse they economy more and protoss limited mobility. I wouldn't count MC out for this reason at all, but i think if July was practicing hard lately, he is number 1 pretender to MLG 1st place.
Which is funny because Zergs have beaten destroying Protoss left and right lately.
This is true, Zerg learned to abuse they economy more and protoss limited mobility. I wouldn't count MC out for this reason at all, but i think if July was practicing hard lately, he is number 1 pretender to MLG 1st place.
hope to see wat MC has to counter the new roach ling aggression that zergs have been doing against a 3 gate expo (if he has a new build or if he just has to use his perfect FFs) MC HWAITING!
On June 03 2011 05:30 Heavenly wrote: 2.) IdrA would never complain or BM about MC. He's one of the few players I can't imagine him being mad he lost to. The idea that he rants or BMs every single person who ever beats him is so ridiculous, I'm not sure if it comes from a bunch of Husky worshippers or what.
He was pretty angry after losing to MC at Dreamhack, he 6pooled the second set in frustration even though he nearly won the first.
Players cheese when they think they can't beat the other player straight up in that given situation. IdrA rages when he gets beaten by randoms on the ladder, or people like Drewbie or Minigun who have no accomplishments close to that of IdrA's. Sure he thinks Protoss is OP and probably would be mad if he loses to MC, but MC has far more prestige then IdrA himself does, even if he is using the so called imbalanced race.
Which is funny because Zergs have beaten destroying Protoss left and right lately.
Good zergs have been destroying moderate protoss lately*
Which is funny because Zergs have beaten destroying Protoss left and right lately.
This is true, Zerg learned to abuse they economy more and protoss limited mobility. I wouldn't count MC out for this reason at all, but i think if July was practicing hard lately, he is number 1 pretender to MLG 1st place.
lol pretender != contender
Yup, my mistake, meant contender.
However i think after MLG preview post, where Naniwa seats with "King me" you could say pretender as well
On June 03 2011 05:30 Heavenly wrote: 2.) IdrA would never complain or BM about MC. He's one of the few players I can't imagine him being mad he lost to. The idea that he rants or BMs every single person who ever beats him is so ridiculous, I'm not sure if it comes from a bunch of Husky worshippers or what.
He was pretty angry after losing to MC at Dreamhack, he 6pooled the second set in frustration even though he nearly won the first.
Players cheese when they think they can't beat the other player straight up in that given situation. IdrA rages when he gets beaten by randoms on the ladder, or people like Drewbie or Minigun who have no accomplishments close to that of IdrA's. Sure he thinks Protoss is OP and probably would be mad if he loses to MC, but MC has far more prestige then IdrA himself does, even if he is using the so called imbalanced race.
Which is funny because Zergs have beaten destroying Protoss left and right lately.
Good zergs have been destroying moderate protoss lately*
Good Zergs have been destroying good Protoss lately.*
I actually was going to go to columbus.. but I doubted I would meet any koreans, so I killed my plans... all for naught. OHH what has the world come to?????????????????????????????
On June 03 2011 09:25 Aristodemus wrote: Reading this thread there is alot of people bashing MC, makes me smile KNOWING how badly he will own his group.
Really? If anything, there is a lot of people supporting MC. I don't think I ran into a 'MC bashing' yet.
On June 03 2011 09:25 Aristodemus wrote: Reading this thread there is alot of people bashing MC, makes me smile KNOWING how badly he will own his group.
I think there is a possible correlation between how much a player is bashed and how well he'll do in a subsequent tournament.
San was bashed to death until GSL Code S Season 2 when he made it out of the group of death.
Polt was bashed until he recently beat MC.
Now, people bash on MC, but that bashing may unintentionally be interpreted by the ESPORTS gods as prayers for MC's success.
MC vs IdrA hypehypehype :OOOOO I also feel bad for everyone at MLG now that July and MC are there. They both set up the tournament for the chance of some wonderful upsets though
Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
Did you really make an account just to rip-off Hot_Bids story and post it in this thread?
MC and July are my favorite Koreans, actually im lying Nestea and July are but still really cool additions to the already amazing MLG Columbus roster...
On June 03 2011 09:25 Aristodemus wrote: Reading this thread there is alot of people bashing MC, makes me smile KNOWING how badly he will own his group.
its tempting to save this quote, so i can repost it once hes about 1-4 or 2-3
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
User was banned for this post.
I can't believe he was banned for this post! I thought it was great.
On June 03 2011 09:25 Aristodemus wrote: Reading this thread there is alot of people bashing MC, makes me smile KNOWING how badly he will own his group.
its tempting to save this quote, so i can repost it once hes about 1-4 or 2-3
Please keep this quote, for when MC doesn't lose a game in his bracket
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
User was banned for this post.
I can't believe he was banned for this post! I thought it was great.
Plagiarism! Read the MLG Columbus preview article
Anyways, best of luck to MC, now he has a chance to redeem his loss to Alicia!
On June 03 2011 12:53 .Mthex- wrote: Should be interesting, wonder if thorzain will mop the floor with MC again.
3-2, winning with the same timing push twice then with an immediately nerfed strategy = mopping the floor, while MC was participating in three almost simultaneous tournaments whereas Thorzain only focused 100% on their match. lolol. I'm done trying to argue against the blatant ignorance a lot of people exhibit in this thread, it's like they seriously don't even watch these games and make things up.
Going to be amusing watch foreigners QQ about MC and how protoss is imba when all is said and done.
On June 03 2011 12:53 .Mthex- wrote: Should be interesting, wonder if thorzain will mop the floor with MC again.
3-2, winning with the same timing push twice then with an immediately nerfed strategy = mopping the floor, while MC was participating in three almost simultaneous tournaments whereas Thorzain only focused 100% on their match. lolol. I'm done trying to argue against the blatant ignorance a lot of people exhibit in this thread, it's like they seriously don't even watch these games and make things up.
Going to be amusing watch foreigners QQ about MC and how protoss is imba when all is said and done.
While I agree with you that MC is a better player than Thorzain overall. I will say that the Koreans are probably not as used to playing series against so many vastly different playstyles with no time to prepare. GSL style matches are alot like TSL, but that is NOTHING like MLG. Like MC said at the time, he was slacking for a little bit in PvT, but then realized the MU weakened for him.
On June 03 2011 12:53 .Mthex- wrote: Should be interesting, wonder if thorzain will mop the floor with MC again.
3-2, winning with the same timing push twice then with an immediately nerfed strategy = mopping the floor, while MC was participating in three almost simultaneous tournaments whereas Thorzain only focused 100% on their match. lolol. I'm done trying to argue against the blatant ignorance a lot of people exhibit in this thread, it's like they seriously don't even watch these games and make things up.
Going to be amusing watch foreigners QQ about MC and how protoss is imba when all is said and done.
While I agree with you that MC is a better player than Thorzain overall. I will say that the Koreans are probably not as used to playing series against so many vastly different playstyles with no time to prepare. GSL style matches are alot like TSL, but that is NOTHING like MLG. Like MC said at the time, he was slacking for a little bit in PvT, but then realized the MU weakened for him.
Kind of like when Nestea lost to Goody in TSL. The playstyles can be really different, but in the end it's just one series, so it's hard to say who's the better player when it was so close too.
MC is a welcome sight. Too bad about the bomber incident. Oh well, shit happens.
I think Koreans will chew through the NA scene. Players like Idra and Spanishiwa and Incontrol don't stand a chance to players like MC or Nestea or Spirit_Moon.
Either way, looking forward to watching some epicness. Hopefully will have time to watch some of my own teammates get through the brackets.
On June 03 2011 12:53 .Mthex- wrote: Should be interesting, wonder if thorzain will mop the floor with MC again.
3-2, winning with the same timing push twice then with an immediately nerfed strategy = mopping the floor, while MC was participating in three almost simultaneous tournaments whereas Thorzain only focused 100% on their match. lolol. I'm done trying to argue against the blatant ignorance a lot of people exhibit in this thread, it's like they seriously don't even watch these games and make things up.
Going to be amusing watch foreigners QQ about MC and how protoss is imba when all is said and done.
While I agree with you that MC is a better player than Thorzain overall. I will say that the Koreans are probably not as used to playing series against so many vastly different playstyles with no time to prepare. GSL style matches are alot like TSL, but that is NOTHING like MLG. Like MC said at the time, he was slacking for a little bit in PvT, but then realized the MU weakened for him.
You say that as if GSL Open 1,2, 3 and Code A qualifiers never happened. Or hell, Courage for that matter.
Not saying you are totally wrong, MLG is very unique, but it's not like Koreans don't know how to play at a LAN.
Shit, I'd hate to be the guy that gets July in his beginning match. It's like "well I'm probably fucked". Then again, you beat him and you're suddenly a god damn legend.
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
User was banned for this post.
I can't believe he was banned for this post! I thought it was great.
lol i think he was banned because he made an account just to post that.
On June 03 2011 13:45 Strivers wrote: What's the story behind MC not being in MLG in the first place? Why is he a "substitute" for Bomber?
MLG never really said why they picked the players they did. My guess in MC not coming in the first place was him thinking he would still be in the Super Tournament.
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
User was banned for this post.
I can't believe he was banned for this post! I thought it was great.
lol i think he was banned because he made an account just to post that.
it was pretty freaking hilarious though.
Or maybe he was banned because he copied and pasted that from a featured News thread that someone on TL wrote. Just a guess though.
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
User was banned for this post.
I can't believe he was banned for this post! I thought it was great.
lol i think he was banned because he made an account just to post that.
it was pretty freaking hilarious though.
Or maybe he was banned because he copied and pasted that from a featured News thread that someone on TL wrote. Just a guess though.
Gonna be a great weekend with these Korean players coming in (even though I really wanted to see Bomber) but I have to admit I only care about seeing all the various foreigners and ladder beasts play at MLG, I love a good Cinderella story.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
On June 03 2011 09:54 idramclolol wrote: Imagine you're IdrA. You are playing Startale's Bomber in the first broadcast match of MLG, on stage, in front of a huge crowd. You're practicing hard for this match and you're going to show your best stuff. Bomber is really skilled, but you're confident in your ZvT and ZvZ. You just hate Protoss because they are imbalanced. But a day or so before the match, you find out Bomber missed his flight. That's not so bad, it'll be a walkover or someone from the Open Bracket, both options way better than playing against Bomber.
Then the day of the tournament you walk into the venue and sit down to play some warmups in the booth. You look over and there's already someone in the other booth. He looks Korean. Dde? SeleCT? Who is it? You walk out of your booth and over to the other one. You open the door. "Hello?"
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss.
MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see."
You back slowly out of the booth.
But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
User was banned for this post.
I can't believe he was banned for this post! I thought it was great.
lol i think he was banned because he made an account just to post that.
it was pretty freaking hilarious though.
Or maybe he was banned because he copied and pasted that from a featured News thread that someone on TL wrote. Just a guess though.
could be that too then, didnt know that
wp to whoever wrote that originally then, lol.
HotBid originally wrote that, kind of douchey for some other guy to post it without giving credit or making quotations.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
.,....... sucks for IdrA i was thinking he would get first in his group, but with MC my expectations changed i think. but well see IdrA will suprise us!
On June 03 2011 15:33 sandyph wrote: from MC twitter
i'm coming columbus hotel first meet ret
we are same group fucking joke haha
tomorrow meet all my fans ^^ see you
surprise that MC didnt even check the bracket before leaving Korea
what do you mean he didnt check the bracket?
the way he twit, it looks like he surprised that he and Ret are in the same group. Something he should've easily know if he look 5 seconds at the groups
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
On June 03 2011 15:33 sandyph wrote: from MC twitter
i'm coming columbus hotel first meet ret
we are same group fucking joke haha
tomorrow meet all my fans ^^ see you
surprise that MC didnt even check the bracket before leaving Korea
what do you mean he didnt check the bracket?
the way he twit, it looks like he surprised that he and Ret are in the same group. Something he should've easily know if he look 5 seconds at the groups
What? No... he first said that he is going to his hotel to meet ret. Then while he was talking about ret he said that they are in the same group. Of course it is possible he didn't know ahead of time... but I HIGHLY doubt that since HuK surely brought it up even if MC didn't look it up.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
Very cool. I agree July is a baller. I really hope he does well... but I want so many people in the open brackets to do well, and if they don't make it out then they won't be recognized at all. T_T
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
On June 03 2011 09:25 Aristodemus wrote: Reading this thread there is alot of people bashing MC, makes me smile KNOWING how badly he will own his group.
its tempting to save this quote, so i can repost it once hes about 1-4 or 2-3
You would think Ret would have best shot of anyone to take games off MC considering he has played with him and talked strategy with him more than anyone else. Also, I wonder if Ret would give any pointers to Tyler about how to play against MC or just stay neutral.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
Haha! So much fun, thanks for posting this man, I was already checking around to find video's like these and also checked on askjoshies but couldn't find.
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
I really hate to spoil the last MLG for you, but 5 of the top 8 were from North America.
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
I really hate to spoil the last MLG for you, but 5 of the top 8 were from North America.
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
I really hate to spoil the last MLG for you, but 5 of the top 8 were from North America.
Edit: Forgot the winky face
And what percentage of MLG was from NA?
What percentage of MLG was from EU?
Pretty sure EU took a hugely disproportionate amount of top 8 spots... I'd call that domination.
On June 03 2011 21:50 OrChard wrote: i have a question. how many players will advance in each group?
All of them, you can't be eliminated in group play.
It's just for seeding into the eventual championship bracket (seeding as in who gets seeded into which round (Ro8, quarter, semifinal etc.) not into which spot.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
I really hate to spoil the last MLG for you, but 5 of the top 8 were from North America.
Edit: Forgot the winky face
And what percentage of MLG was from NA?
What percentage of MLG was from EU?
Pretty sure EU took a hugely disproportionate amount of top 8 spots... I'd call that domination.
Considering MLG is in NA, obviously there would be more NA participants. The same can be said about Euro events.
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
I really hate to spoil the last MLG for you, but 5 of the top 8 were from North America.
Edit: Forgot the winky face
And what percentage of MLG was from NA?
What percentage of MLG was from EU?
Pretty sure EU took a hugely disproportionate amount of top 8 spots... I'd call that domination.
Considering MLG is in NA, obviously there would be more NA participants. The same can be said about Euro events.
What does that have to do with anything he said? If the same ratio of NA players took top spots at EU events, then his point would be moot. But unfortunately they don't.
On June 03 2011 13:40 Odien wrote: Is there anymore MLG Columbus footage? JoshSuth, where are you?! :D
CSN just posted a vid on their justin.tv page with the Koreans, possibly iNcontrol, Torch, and friends sitting around a campfire chilling and partying.
On June 03 2011 20:43 zerino wrote: lol last mlg got dominated by the few europeans that showed up, wonder what will happen with the best of korea there
I really hate to spoil the last MLG for you, but 5 of the top 8 were from North America.
Edit: Forgot the winky face
And what percentage of MLG was from NA?
What percentage of MLG was from EU?
Pretty sure EU took a hugely disproportionate amount of top 8 spots... I'd call that domination.
Considering MLG is in NA, obviously there would be more NA participants. The same can be said about Euro events.
CSN has put up another thread specific to JULY with immediate updates and other information.. please open the thread back up so we can provide the community with more in depth information.. considering we are with him at all times
Can anyone explain what MC did when he beat thorzain? to me it looks like he points our Idra and gives me a thumbs down. or was that just a random guy in the crowd?
while MC played well, he performed on stage like a stupid kid. showing such bad matter is just childish. its way different from rage quitting or rage flaming.
On June 05 2011 17:30 Runar_121 wrote: Idra crushed MC. MC u mad?
IdrA is still crying about imbalance and is constantly saying Zerg is the weakest race.
well, maybe not the weakest, but obviously you cant just A click like a terran bio player and you can not minimicro your colossi and blink stalkers as well.
as zerg there are 2 ways. a) scout your enemy every 20-30 sec, to see if you can get more drones/bases, and just outmass him. but even this is not always working, as shown in MC vs Idra, last game. mass stalker/dt
b) you need to get a player offguard. like 8pooling, like a ling runBy in the base. like nydus in base.
you can do equal things with hellion or dt or phoenix or reapers. but zerg can not go the usual way. so ye. from my understanding, zerg has huge disadvantages.
you are always relying on: scouting, open field attacks, backdoor sneeking. and outmassing.
players learn and adapt. so you see like 90% of all games terran and protoss going for an early expansion as well.
not saying that zerg is the worst race, but imo other races are more straight forward to play. i really enjoyed the MLG games last night.
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That one is on terminus :D
