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tyles
United Kingdom509 Posts
2.Collosi 3.Collosi | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
On June 04 2011 15:08 ixi.genocide wrote: 2 storms do take out a tank in sc2, storming a mineral line only takes 1-2 storms if the opponent doesn't react, I would rather have the option to react and have more storms than the option to be totally screwed once the ht comes within about 10 range of the workers. One thing that I can't really look up is whether storm ignores armor, I thought that it did. Also.... Someone else in this thread was complaining about siege tanks being less effective versus the new ai system. I would just like to point out that you are actually stupid. Like, literally mentally deficient. Units clump up more in sc2 so splash damage is more effective. WAYYYY more effective. Tanks also don't overkill anymore either. Anyone that says tanks in SC2 are worse is a complete idiot. They're splash isn't as great, but unit clumping makes up for it as well as the smart targeting AI they have. My 3 Units that I don't like very much: 1. Hellions - They are simply too cost effective against workers, especially with the advanced AI that lines up workers when they are running away. Either reduce the splash radius or fix it. It's not fun when one build can win you the game, even if you're prepared for it. 2. Sentry - For the same reason everyone else has said. I feel like FF is broken in it's current state. You shouldn't be able to spam one spell mindlessy and turn one battle from a win to a loss like that. Either Sentries need to have a cooldown before they can cast another FF or FF needs to be a channeling ability like the Phoenix's graviton beam. The channeling effect I feel is the best choice. You would actually have to think before you just spam FFs. I also hate it that whenever a Protoss army gets caught out of position, they can make a wall of FFs and just run away to a better spot. It's a very forgiving race when FFs are in play. If you had to actually sacrifice some of those Sentries to save your army, then it would be much more balanced if you ask me. 3. Medivac Dropship - What were you guys thinking combining a Medic and a Dropship, Blizzard? This makes drops so overpowered. Instead of only being able to carry 5 marines and 3 Medics, you can now carry 8 marines that can easily pick off Tech Structures before you can even save them all while getting healed after every stim! Hooray! | ||
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Bertyo
United States29 Posts
- What 3 units in the game need to go into the redesign list? Collossus Stalker Raven - What mechanics do you find needing tweaks? or badly designed. Forcefield and protoss tier 1 strength ( too weak ) | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Hydralisks are by far the most uninspired unit in the game right now, useful or not they're just plain boring and slow. I'm also unimpressed by the way the Phoenix is designed. Moving shots that require no micro with the ability to lift up units. Every time I see Phoenixes, I feel like leaving immediately, cuz then you're kinda forced to use Hydras, and well... what I said about Hydras earlier. Like in BW where Corsairs were superior to Mutas but could be beat with superior play, and you could move out without fear of Phoenixes slaughtering your entire Muta flock on sight. MULEs are a poor concept that show Blizzard's inability to grasp the basic rules of Starcraft - the economic game. Giving one race with the most efficient mineral only unit the ability to manipulate their mineral count so drastically, imbalanced or not, shouldn't have found it's way into the game. Strangely I have no problem with Colossi, even though they are just glorified Prism tanks. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
The Robo bay could then just make Colossus, Prism and Observers (with the Colossus maybe available with 6 range; the Support Bay would be required for the range buff and other robo upgrades. It would be nice if they added the increased observer sight range upgrade from SC1/BW as well). | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 04 2011 19:17 aZealot wrote: Apart from whatever else I've said in this thread, the main point of which was small buffs to Protoss gateway units, I wonder if the Immortal should not return to being a gateway unit (as I believe it originally was, and should do in terms of lore being the old Dragoon from SC1/BW). This is correct. Originally, the immortal was attached to the cybernetics core alongside the stalker. The sentry was built from a robotics facility(the immortal is a piloted strider, the sentry is a drone, go figure). What if the immortal took the sentry's place, but didn't have hardened shields or their bonus vs armored units(maybe make them 30+20 rather than 20+30?) until upgraded, and then warp gate was pushed back onto the twilight council/templar archives? | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On June 04 2011 19:24 Daralii wrote: This is correct. Originally, the immortal was attached to the cybernetics core alongside the stalker. The sentry was built from a robotics facility(the immortal is a piloted strider, the sentry is a drone, go figure). What if the immortal took the sentry's place, but didn't have hardened shields or their bonus vs armored units(maybe make them 30+20 rather than 20+30?) until upgraded, and then warp gate was pushed back onto the twilight council/templar archives? Thanks, I wasn't sure. The sentry from the Robo bay? That late in the game? I wonder what purpose it was originally meant to serve then? It cant have been gateway support with FF/GS that late. I think warp-gate of some kind would still be needed early game to withstand pushes and all-ins but maybe it can be a defensive warp-in, call it a phase-in where units are teleported/phased from the gateway (with a different animation) anywhere within the psionic field of a Nexus (basically your base). This can later perhaps be interconnected between adjacent Protoss bases (rather similar to the Zerg creep) allowing defensive reinforcement of the Protoss through phase-ins. This upgrade should be available at Core level with what we currently consider Warp Gate Tech available at Twilight Council. Warped in units should also be more expensive than Gateway/Phase in units. Perhaps only the Warp Prism is able to skip this upgrade by being instantly able to warp in (more expensive?) units which should then also open up the possibility of harass and more variety from Toss play. | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
2. i think the anti-micro abilities are the worst abilities to have in a game like this. fungal growth especially is ridiculous because it disables and damages in the same ability. i'd rate forcefield as being as bad as fungal growth, but forcefield's uses become limited as the game goes on. it can be very boring to watch some of these abilities at work (esp. FF all-ins, see: july vs mc finals) i think there's also probably too much splash damage in the game and too much reliance on splash damage to beat units like marines and hydras. i think this makes for boring games, especially toss games. it can be easy to tell when a fairly large and expensive gateway army is about to lose against a similar tier composition, because the toss player didn't tech to T3 in time. 3. can't think of anything graphically/misc atm 4. i'm not too excited about additional units/buildings | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
2. Immortal 3. Corruptor | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
I just want battle to last much longer and require more micro. Micro also should affect the game greater, a-moving is just too effin strong. Also remove units that are just plain boring like corruptors and overseers. It's mostly the zerg race that suffers from boring units. Reaper needs a rework though and toss is just badly designed to begin with. | ||
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
Corruptors, regardless of utility, are the lamest unit in the game. Phoenix can pick stuff up and shoot double beams while moving around and Viking are goddamn badass Robotechs. Corruptors are flying jizz with a lame spell and lame attack animation. Their only saving grace is that they transform into Brood Lords, a really well-designed unit. | ||
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chainheart
United States24 Posts
2. Sentry - For the same reason everyone else has said. I feel like FF is broken in it's current state. You shouldn't be able to spam one spell mindlessy and turn one battle from a win to a loss like that. Either Sentries need to have a cooldown before they can cast another FF or FF needs to be a channeling ability like the Phoenix's graviton beam. The channeling effect I feel is the best choice. You would actually have to think before you just spam FFs. I also hate it that whenever a Protoss army gets caught out of position, they can make a wall of FFs and just run away to a better spot. It's a very forgiving race when FFs are in play. If you had to actually sacrifice some of those Sentries to save your army, then it would be much more balanced if you ask me. FFs should be either destructible by targeting them or have certain abilities that destroy them. I feel they should only be a means of altering position for a very short duration if the opponent can effectively counter them in some way. This is coming from a Toss player, where even in Silver they are very easy for me to cast. It feels like I'm cheating sometimes because my opponents only two options are to commit and lose or attempt to retreat and still lose a good portion of their army. | ||
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:55 nvs. wrote: Colossus. It's the root of all SC2's problems. >.> Colossus isn't even that good when 4 vikings or corrupts hard counter it. just fly to the side and intercept and your fine, the root to the problem is that they suck. | ||
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
On June 01 2011 02:16 GoDLy MD wrote: Why is the OP so biased towards terran...? Becouse david kim is smarter then you. | ||
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Frequencyy
United States344 Posts
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rdr
Sweden48 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
Infestors are probably the best unit in the game by far, A certain canadian said that they are 100% without a doubt the most powerful unit in the game. Tanks also don't overkill anymore either. Anyone that says tanks in SC2 are worse is a complete idiot. They're splash isn't as great, but unit clumping makes up for it as well as the smart targeting AI they have. Tanks are not even close to their BW counterpart. You might want to play the game you are referencing before calling someone else an idiot. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
Planetary Fortresses. Static defense should be used sparingly, if at all. It might give map control, but it doesn't require micro (Grabbing SCVs and right clicking a PF is not micro), unlike spider mines. And seriously, using upgraded CC's to stop/delay an army? That's a bit silly, imo. Collosi: Shuttle/Reaver micro was so much more exciting to watch. These things require little micro, and they can't be micro'd anyways. It's more on you relying on stalkers to focus fire the units that attack the collosus Viking/Banshee: Splitting the wraith into two units? Why? Thors: At least valkries could fly and were somewhat mobile. You can pick them up in dropships, but you might as well play bio. Roaches: It's a good concept, but the stats.... It's basically a Protoss unit in disguise. Warp gates: As people have said, eliminates defender's advantage. (also can't use your keyboard to macro) Immortals: Amount of skill required to use hardened shields: 0. Chargelots: Slightly more skill required. Slightly. Reapers: Aren't ever used past early early game. I get and appreciate that you can use them for scouting, but I'd prefer if all units had a role that lasted longer than one minute. Mothership: Glorified arbiter indeed... To be tweaked: Hellion: It's really slow. I find it hard to see hellions line up good shots just because it is slow. I would replace blue flame for hellion speed any day. It's better to see good micro from players than a ridiculous damage output. Carriers: Old carrier micro doesn't exist anymore, and I really fail to see any reason why it got removed. Warp Prisms: Not used enough. Perhaps they are too slow? I want to see storm drops yo. Fungal growth/Forcefield: Anti-micro. You can't really do anything against these. Ironically, they are probably the best spells in the game because they can be used defensively and offensively. If anti-micro spells are meant to be in the game, it should be late game tech and counterable (SC2 counterparts to Overseer: costs 100 gas. Acts as detector. Really poor spells. You only get these against cloaked units. Raven: What kind of spells are these? For 200 gas, I get: a 125 energy spell that might not even kill things (has to be researched) a 25 energy spell that summons a turret a 100 energy spell that blocks 20 particle attacks Not exactly enough to warrant its use in standard play, considering you can now get two ghosts for one raven... My Thoughts on A-Move units: In BW, there is this unit called a hydralisk. It has 2 upgrades, one for range, and one for speed. It has no extra functions, except for morphing into a lurker. It is cheap to produce and easy to mass. It is, in a sense, the perfect A-move unit. It is used in the staple of ZvP. However, you NEVER A-Move this unit. Protoss had Psi Storm and Reavers. You have to storm dodge to get the most out of your hydralisks, and have to scourge the shuttles/move hydras out of the way to not lose your army . An A-Move unit ceases to be an A-move unit as soon as it becomes necessary to micro them. TLDR: You should have to babysit your units. Game is more fun that way. | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
1. Hellions - They are simply too cost effective against workers, especially with the advanced AI that lines up workers when they are running away. Either reduce the splash radius or fix it. It's not fun when one build can win you the game, even if you're prepared for it. What advanced AI? Watch 0:46 | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
And also, the overall dps in the game should be slightly decreased, to make battles more interesting. | ||
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