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From Orc to Protoss - Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen - Page 2

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ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
May 29 2011 12:44 GMT
#21
From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-29 12:53:45
May 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#22
On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:
From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.


im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan.
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PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
May 29 2011 12:55 GMT
#23
Nice writeup, but isn't there already a fanclub?:x
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-29 13:10:00
May 29 2011 13:09 GMT
#24
On May 29 2011 21:53 Azuroz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:
From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.


im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan.

Ignoring NASL and online tournament results because of 'cross region play' is insulting to those who perform well in them. Yeah LAN is where it truly matters but 0-6 in 6 Bo3 with bad latency or not, is really really bad.

To the OP, it's a very well contructed tribute to a legend though it feels more like it belongs in his fanclub.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
May 29 2011 13:11 GMT
#25
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..
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Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
May 29 2011 13:15 GMT
#26
On May 29 2011 22:09 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 21:53 Azuroz wrote:
On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:
From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.


im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan.

Ignoring NASL and online tournament results because of 'cross region play' is insulting to those who perform well in them. Yeah LAN is where it truly matters but 0-6 in 6 Bo3 with bad latency or not, is really really bad.

To the OP, it's a very well contructed tribute to a legend though it feels more like it belongs in his fanclub.



Yeah would have probably been better to post this into the fanclub thread, but wanted to introduce him to the ppl in the community which dont have a wc3 background.
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
May 29 2011 13:20 GMT
#27
On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..

Yea, grubby's shown way better play than he has in the nasl
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 29 2011 13:20 GMT
#28
This guy pawned way before the Blademaster Abuse .. along with Moon

Haters gonna hate.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9049 Posts
May 29 2011 13:22 GMT
#29
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't.
ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
May 29 2011 13:23 GMT
#30
On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..


Since ur naniwa i almost cant argue you, but is it really that bad? I know that grubby is always online at 12-1 am since ive been following him closely. I also play high masters in EU and US server and dont notice big differences in latency. (i have an average internet connection in the netherlands.)
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
May 29 2011 13:26 GMT
#31
<3 Grubby. Loved watching him play WC3. He and Happy were soooooo goooood. Happy already showed his insane potential so I really hopes Grubby manages to break through during the year. Go WC3 players! \o/
#freeshauni
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
May 29 2011 13:27 GMT
#32
On May 29 2011 20:57 Naniwa wrote:
from blademaster to a balanced race


He was at top level when Orc was considered the weak race. And suggesting Protoss is balanced? Let's not even go into that.
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
May 29 2011 13:27 GMT
#33
On May 29 2011 22:23 ruiyang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..


Since ur naniwa i almost cant argue you, but is it really that bad? I know that grubby is always online at 12-1 am since ive been following him closely. I also play high masters in EU and US server and dont notice big differences in latency. (i have an average internet connection in the netherlands.)



Grubby himself stated that the delay to US is pretty bad.
Personally i think that his NASL results dont show the real truth as Grubby is pretty decent already, beating some really good players and he will get even better for sure.
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
astrokiki
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore4 Posts
May 29 2011 13:29 GMT
#34
the video of grubby escaping from the chinese fans is hilarious. grubby jumps out of window, walks off down the street, camera pans to the left and shows chinese fans sprinting out of the bushes after him lol.

I look forward to him becoming a dominant player in sc2
Chinatown
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-29 13:38:43
May 29 2011 13:38 GMT
#35
On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..


LOLOL yea im sure its really horrible ;;;


EDIT: OBVIOUS TROLL POST / joking with nani dont go nuts
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Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
May 29 2011 13:39 GMT
#36
On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't.


It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2.
What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically?
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 29 2011 13:51 GMT
#37
Obviously Grubby cannot dodge and run and basetrade anymore in a game like Starcraft. Hence 0-7 NASL.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
May 29 2011 13:52 GMT
#38
On May 29 2011 22:09 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 21:53 Azuroz wrote:
On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:
From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.


im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan.

Ignoring NASL and online tournament results because of 'cross region play' is insulting to those who perform well in them. Yeah LAN is where it truly matters but 0-6 in 6 Bo3 with bad latency or not, is really really bad.

To the OP, it's a very well contructed tribute to a legend though it feels more like it belongs in his fanclub.


In similar fashion, ignorning everything else and only focussing on NASL is insulting to where he performed well. He also swapped not too long ago lets not forget. I think mid january? thats about 5 months. Big difference compared to his competition. Old broodwar players who have been playing sc2 since beta. And for the NASL the majority has won or been in the finals of major events. So to say that because he isn't getting wins over people like this is very malicious and reeks of envy or jealousy of sorts. He has to catch up still and these are some of the world class players. It's like when I heard people say IdrA hasn't accomplished much because they neglect the fact that he's been the most consistent foreigner in Korea. And only when he wins the GSL will he not be a failure. That's just absurd and I feel that trend of reasoning falls into this category.

As for the self promoting comment of the first poster in the qoutes. I don't even get why you would say it like that. I don't know who neverplay is but I don't think he's Grubby? So accusing him as doing such is also inappropriate.

Just take your time, I think people are afraid of what is going to come. Maybe I just believe in Grubby's future. He sure knows how to improve and become a top notch player, so lets give him the time he needs and see what he is able to do before judging him. Eitherway I know that I have read about him in the paper before I even knew about this the world of competitive gaming and what it is like. So yes, he'll always have a special place even thought I didn't follow wc3. But reading comments like these I find it hard to not get a bit upset.
It's like throwing paint on a painting that is half done because it doesn't look good yet. Let the painter finish the painting before you decide if you like it or not. In digital images I believe one is made up of multiple layers of chroma? That are just black and grey, and it's the final step that combines all the layers and mixes it so that it becomes something we would call a picture.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-29 13:57:56
May 29 2011 13:56 GMT
#39
On May 29 2011 22:39 Lennon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't.


It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2.
What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically?

The time spent playing the game is what has happened. Between Moon, Lyn, Grubby and Naniwa, Naniwa has most likely played a lot more considering moon and lyn are still practicing wc3 afaik and Grubby switched almost a year later than the players that started in beta. It's nothing wierd going on here.
TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-29 14:02:11
May 29 2011 13:58 GMT
#40
On May 29 2011 21:23 Indrium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 21:06 KiWiKaKi wrote:
from worst race, to worst race


Shot in the dark, you played orc? :D


Yes , also laughing really hard at the "witty" comments people who he had on farm status made :D

But i feel nani's choice from ud to Protoss was wise

edit: also grubby was raping faces even before the blademaster was even viable ( ww buff ) and far seer was the standart play , also orc was considered the weak race , since the race you were playing nani was doing just ifne in the face of the korean undead
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