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From Orc to Protoss
Introducing Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen
As most guys here probably dont have an wc3 background and dont know too much about one of the most amazing RTS players in history i decided to introduce you to this one-of-a-kind person by collecting some interviews and videos of him done in the past.
Showcasing some of the awesomeness he has done in Warcraft3 TFT.
About Grubby
Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen was without a doubt Europe's most successful WC3 player and arguably one of the best WC3 players in the world. Nicknamed the King of Orcs by his Fans he switched to SC2 Full-time early in 2011.
Playing Protoss his greatest success in SC2 so far is a
3rd Place at the Copenhagen Games 2011 but expect more from him in the future.
Here is a complete list of his achievements:
- Solo Achiements:
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1st Place - Cyber X Games, 2003 (Las Vegas - USA)
1st Place - CPL Turkey, 2004 (Istanbul - Turkey)
1st Place - World Cyber Games '04, 2004 (San Francisco - USA)
1st Place - Samsung Euro Championship '05, 2005 (Hannover - Germany)
1st Place - Revelcell Masters, 2005 (Berlin - Germany)
1st Place - Electronic Sports World Cup '05, 2005 (Paris - France)
1st Place - Digital Life Gaming Tournament, 2005 (New York - USA)
1st Place - BlizzCon '05, 2005 (Los Angeles - USA)
3rd Place - World Cyber Games '05, 2005 (Singapore - Singapore)
2nd Place - Blizzard Worldwide Invitational '06, 2006 (Seoul - South Korea)
1st Place - Samsung European Championship '06, 2006 (Hannover - Germany)
2nd Place - World e-Sports Games Masters '06, 2006 (Hangzhou - China)
1st Place - V-Sports All-Stars, 2006 (New York - USA)
1st Place - World E-Sports Festival, 2006 (Qingdao - China)
2nd Place - ClanBase EuroCup 12, 2006 (Copenhagen - Denmark)
1st Place - WSVG Qualifier, October 2006, (London - UK)
1st Place - WSVG Grand Finals, December 2006, (New York - USA)
3rd Place - KODE5 2006, September 2006, (Beijing - China)
1st Place - Warcraft World War, October 2006, (Seoul - South Korea)
2nd Place - SuperFight II, November 2006, (Seoul - South Korea)
3rd Place - Battlenet Season 4, January 2007, (Cologne -Germany)
1st Place - Warcraft World War, February 2007, (Seoul - South Korea)
3rd Place - European Cyber Games, March 2007, (Hannover - Germany)
4th Place - World Series of Video Games, May 2007, (Wuhan - China)
3rd Place - Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, May 2007, (Los Angeles - USA)
1st Place - ESWC Dutch Qualifiers, 20 May 2007, (Enschede - Netherlands)
3rd Place - Battlenet Season 5 Europe Finals, 22–23 June 2007, (Hamburg - Germany)
3rd Place - ESWC Global Finals, 5–8 July, (Paris- France)
2nd Place - Stars War IV, 12–15 July, (Shanghai - China)
5th Place - PGL Season 2, 17–26 July 2007, (Beijing - China)
3rd Place - W3 Summer Grand Prix, 28–29 July 2007, (Seoul - South Korea)
3rd Place - Blizzcon 2007, 3–5 August 2007, (Orange County - California - USA)
3rd Place - eStars 2007, 11–12 August 2007 (Shared 3rd/4th), (Seoul - South Korea)
1st Place - WCG Dutch Finals, 30 August 2007, (Rotterdam - Netherlands)
1st Place - Clanbase EuroCup 2007, 8–9 September 2007, (Enschede - Netherlands)
1st Place - KODE5 Dutch Qualifiers, 27–28 October 2007, (Enschede - Netherlands)
1st Place - DreamHack Winter, November 2007, (Jönköping - Sweden)
2nd Place - Extreme Masters Season II, March 2008, (Hannover - Germany)
1st Place - ESWC Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 7 June 2008, (Enschede - Netherlands)
3rd Place - Blizzard Worldwide Invitational 2008, 28–29 June 2008, (Paris - France)
1st Place - WCG Netherlands Qualifier 2008, 12 July 2008, (Rotterdam - Netherlands)
1st Place - eStars Seoul, 24–27 July 2008, (Seoul - South Korea)
1st Place - EPS Benelux, 6 September 2008, (Utrecht - Netherlands)
1st Place - WCG Dutch Finals, 27 September 2008, (Amsterdam - Netherlands)
3rd Place - World e-Sports Masters 2008, 24-2 Oct-Nov 2008, (Hangzhou - China)
1st Place - World Cyber Games 2008, 5–9 November 2008, (Cologne - Germany)
1st Place - Extreme Masters III - Korea, 13–20 November 2008, (Seoul - South Korea)
2nd Place - Extreme Masters III - China, January 2009, (Chengdu - China)
2nd Place - Blizzard Battle.net Season 7 - Europe Regionals, June 2009 (Cologne - Germany)
1st Place - e-Stars 2009 - King of the Game, July 2009 (Seoul - South Korea)
2nd Place - BlizzCon 2009, August 2009 (Orange County - California - USA)
1st Place - World e-Sports Masters 2009, December 2009 (Hangzhou - China)
1st Place - Blizzard Season 8 European Regionals (Cologne - Germany)
2nd Place - e-Stars 2010 - King of the Game (Seoul - South Korea)
2nd Place - WCG 2010, October 2010 (LA - USA)
Starcraft2:
3rd Place - Copenhagen Games 2011 (Copenhagen - Denmark)
- Team LAN Achievements
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With Team 4Kings
1st Place - Clanbase MCL Season 1 (2004)
1st Place - ESL WC3L Season 4 (2004)
2nd Place - ESL WC3L Season 5 (2004)
1st Place - ESL WC3L Season 7 (2005)
1st Place - ESL WC3L Season 8 (2005)
2nd Place - ESL WC3L Season 9 (2006)
1st Place - ESL WC3L Season 10 (2007)
2nd Place - ESL WC3L Season 11 (2007)
3rd Place - NGL-ONE Season 1 (2006)
3rd Place - NGL-ONE Season 2 (2006–2007)
3rd Place - NGL-ONE Season 3 (2007)
3rd Place - NGL-ONE Season 3 (2007)
With Team MYM
1st Place - ESL WC3L Season 13 (2008)
3rd Place - ESL WC3L Season 14 (2009)
3rd Place - NGL-ONE Season 5 (2008)
3rd Place - Road of the King, in Wuhan, China (2008)
With Team Evil Geniuses
3rd Place - ESL WC3L Season 15 (2009)
With Team West in the eStars Continental Cup
1st Place - With SaSe and HoT and CS teams (2008)
2nd Place - With LucifroN and Hasuobs and CS teams(2009)
1st Place - With Happy and XlorD and CS teams (2010)
Miscellaneous Teams
2003 3rd Place - World Cyber Games Nations (Seoul - South Korea), with Arvid "Myth" Fekken
2006 3rd Place - Trans-Atlantic Showdown (New York - USA), with Yoan "ToD" Merlo
2006 3rd Place - Stars War II (Shanghai - China), as a member of team Europe
2006 2nd Place - Stars War III (Shanghai - China), as a member of team Europe
2007 2nd Place - Stars War IV (Shanghai - China), as a member of team Europe
- Online Achievements
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Weekly €100 Tournaments
2 Go4wc3 victories
5 WC3M victories
10 inCup victories
15 ZOTAC-Cup victories (as of 2010-08-24)
Bigger Tournaments
1st Place - WCReplays Almojo $1000 Tournament
2nd Place - NGTV League Season 1 Aug-Oct 2008
1st Place - AMD Black All Stars October 2008
2nd Place - 2on2 Fit4Gaming December 2008
1st Place - GOMtv World Invitational (GWI) June 2009
- Awards
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Esport Awards:
Best Warcraft 3 Player (2005)
eSports Team of the Year (2005), with team 4Kings
eSports Player of the Year (2006)
Best Warcraft 3 Player (2006)
Western European eSports Player of the Year (2008)
eSports WC3 Player of the Year (2009)
GosuGamers Awards
Gosu Gamer of the Year (2006)
Gosu Gamer of the Year (2008)
Gosu Gamer of the Year (2009)
ESL's WC3L Awards
Electronic Sports League WarCraft 3 League Season 5 Most Valuable Player
Electronic Sports League WarCraft 3 League Season 7 Most Valuable Player
Electronic Sports League WarCraft 3 League Season 8 Most Valuable Player
Electronic Sports League WarCraft 3 League Season 9 Most Valuable Player
Some ancient Interviews :-)
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Documentary Videos:
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Fan Videos
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WCG 2008
One of the greatest Victory's in his carreer happened in 2008, defeating his long-time rival Moon in the Finals of the WCG2008 taking his second WCG Title, earning him #1 spot in the WCG Hall of Fame.
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Random Videos
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FPVods
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Grubbys Warcraft3 Commentary
Grubby doing commentary on some of his wc3 games
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Follow Grubby
Here you can follow Grubby on his journey in SC2
I hope you liked this short player profile, its not an complete list as there is much more content about Grubby out there.
My goal was to show you why people are calling him an esport Legend and why he has so many fans around the world.
I am following Grubby through wins and looses since 2004 and till now i am impressed with his intelligent and thoughtfull play both in wc3 and SC2 as well as his personality and his professionalism towards the game.
Please forgive me my "fanboyism" but feel free to add additional content to this thread 
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Hope you like it
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This is what we call a Fanclub thread, obviously these go in the Fanclub section!
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This is awesome, but really much better suited to the Grubby fanclub.
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from blademaster to a balanced race
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next goal: win 1 nasl match
good luck tho
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On May 29 2011 20:57 Naniwa wrote:
from blademaster to a balanced race
LOL
Oh god being a semi-pro player as undead was so hard for me because of that 1 freakin unit.
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On May 29 2011 20:57 Naniwa wrote:
from blademaster to a balanced race
hahahaha this made me laugh 
edit: yeah i agree this should all be added in the grubby fanclub if it isn't there already
very good effort though!
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from worst race, to worst race
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On May 29 2011 21:06 KiWiKaKi wrote:
from worst race, to worst race
trololololol
Though a lot of protoss are voicing concerns over Zerg, I think PvT is pretty balanced.
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On May 29 2011 20:57 Naniwa wrote:
from blademaster to a balanced race
mannerdupenner
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On May 29 2011 21:06 KiWiKaKi wrote:
from worst race, to worst race
cool story bro
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who cares about wc3?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 29 2011 21:06 KiWiKaKi wrote:
from worst race, to worst race
Shot in the dark, you played orc? :D
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Good luck grubby. It will take a lot of practice to catch up against brood war veterens.
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Thanks for the write up. Nice for Wc3 ignorants like me who only played and watched BW and didn't understand why there was so much hype around grubby.
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On May 29 2011 21:17 Naniwa wrote:cool story bro
hahahahaha lol that made me laugh
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i thought he was pretty good at the copenaghen tuornament, but his NASL performance is just...
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Can we move this to the WC3 Forum?
+ Show Spoiler +Just kidding, good luck to Grubby Hope he performs better in the future than what he's been doing in NASL...
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From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.
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On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section.
im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan.
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Nice writeup, but isn't there already a fanclub?:x
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On May 29 2011 21:53 Azuroz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section. im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan.
Ignoring NASL and online tournament results because of 'cross region play' is insulting to those who perform well in them. Yeah LAN is where it truly matters but 0-6 in 6 Bo3 with bad latency or not, is really really bad.
To the OP, it's a very well contructed tribute to a legend though it feels more like it belongs in his fanclub.
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NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..
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On May 29 2011 22:09 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 21:53 Azuroz wrote:On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section. im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan. Ignoring NASL and online tournament results because of 'cross region play' is insulting to those who perform well in them. Yeah LAN is where it truly matters but 0-6 in 6 Bo3 with bad latency or not, is really really bad. To the OP, it's a very well contructed tribute to a legend though it feels more like it belongs in his fanclub.
Yeah would have probably been better to post this into the fanclub thread, but wanted to introduce him to the ppl in the community which dont have a wc3 background.
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On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..
Yea, grubby's shown way better play than he has in the nasl
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This guy pawned way before the Blademaster Abuse .. along with Moon
Haters gonna hate.
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Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't.
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On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..
Since ur naniwa i almost cant argue you, but is it really that bad? I know that grubby is always online at 12-1 am since ive been following him closely. I also play high masters in EU and US server and dont notice big differences in latency. (i have an average internet connection in the netherlands.)
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<3 Grubby. Loved watching him play WC3. He and Happy were soooooo goooood. Happy already showed his insane potential so I really hopes Grubby manages to break through during the year. Go WC3 players! \o/
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On May 29 2011 20:57 Naniwa wrote:
from blademaster to a balanced race
He was at top level when Orc was considered the weak race. And suggesting Protoss is balanced? Let's not even go into that.
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On May 29 2011 22:23 ruiyang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that.. Since ur naniwa i almost cant argue you, but is it really that bad? I know that grubby is always online at 12-1 am since ive been following him closely. I also play high masters in EU and US server and dont notice big differences in latency. (i have an average internet connection in the netherlands.)
Grubby himself stated that the delay to US is pretty bad.
Personally i think that his NASL results dont show the real truth as Grubby is pretty decent already, beating some really good players and he will get even better for sure.
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the video of grubby escaping from the chinese fans is hilarious. grubby jumps out of window, walks off down the street, camera pans to the left and shows chinese fans sprinting out of the bushes after him lol.
I look forward to him becoming a dominant player in sc2
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On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that..
LOLOL yea im sure its really horrible ;;;
EDIT: OBVIOUS TROLL POST / joking with nani dont go nuts
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On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't.
It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2.
What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically?
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Obviously Grubby cannot dodge and run and basetrade anymore in a game like Starcraft. Hence 0-7 NASL.
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On May 29 2011 22:09 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 21:53 Azuroz wrote:On May 29 2011 21:44 ruiyang wrote:From wc3 legend to overhyped sc2 player that went 0-6 Nasl group stage and have the unthinkable loss against artosis . Altho i dont like discrediting grubby, promotion topics about him pop up everywhere and he gets invites everywhere to only get roflstomped. Please move this to a fanclub page cus I didnt believe that self promotion was allowed on this forum section. im not really a grubby fan at all, but i wouldnt focus too much on nasl results for any player really, lan results feels like the only proper benchmark due to cross region play. He did finnish 3rd at copenhagen games for example, now im not saying that he deserves the hype, but the nasl results are far from accurate of what would happen at a lan. Ignoring NASL and online tournament results because of 'cross region play' is insulting to those who perform well in them. Yeah LAN is where it truly matters but 0-6 in 6 Bo3 with bad latency or not, is really really bad. To the OP, it's a very well contructed tribute to a legend though it feels more like it belongs in his fanclub.
In similar fashion, ignorning everything else and only focussing on NASL is insulting to where he performed well. He also swapped not too long ago lets not forget. I think mid january? thats about 5 months. Big difference compared to his competition. Old broodwar players who have been playing sc2 since beta. And for the NASL the majority has won or been in the finals of major events. So to say that because he isn't getting wins over people like this is very malicious and reeks of envy or jealousy of sorts. He has to catch up still and these are some of the world class players. It's like when I heard people say IdrA hasn't accomplished much because they neglect the fact that he's been the most consistent foreigner in Korea. And only when he wins the GSL will he not be a failure. That's just absurd and I feel that trend of reasoning falls into this category.
As for the self promoting comment of the first poster in the qoutes. I don't even get why you would say it like that. I don't know who neverplay is but I don't think he's Grubby? So accusing him as doing such is also inappropriate.
Just take your time, I think people are afraid of what is going to come. Maybe I just believe in Grubby's future. He sure knows how to improve and become a top notch player, so lets give him the time he needs and see what he is able to do before judging him. Eitherway I know that I have read about him in the paper before I even knew about this the world of competitive gaming and what it is like. So yes, he'll always have a special place even thought I didn't follow wc3. But reading comments like these I find it hard to not get a bit upset.
It's like throwing paint on a painting that is half done because it doesn't look good yet. Let the painter finish the painting before you decide if you like it or not. In digital images I believe one is made up of multiple layers of chroma? That are just black and grey, and it's the final step that combines all the layers and mixes it so that it becomes something we would call a picture.
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On May 29 2011 22:39 Lennon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't. It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2. What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically?
The time spent playing the game is what has happened. Between Moon, Lyn, Grubby and Naniwa, Naniwa has most likely played a lot more considering moon and lyn are still practicing wc3 afaik and Grubby switched almost a year later than the players that started in beta. It's nothing wierd going on here.
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On May 29 2011 21:23 Indrium wrote:Shot in the dark, you played orc? :D
Yes , also laughing really hard at the "witty" comments people who he had on farm status made :D
But i feel nani's choice from ud to Protoss was wise
edit: also grubby was raping faces even before the blademaster was even viable ( ww buff ) and far seer was the standart play , also orc was considered the weak race , since the race you were playing nani was doing just ifne in the face of the korean undead
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On May 29 2011 22:38 Liquid`HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that.. LOLOL yea im sure its really horrible ;;; EDIT: OBVIOUS TROLL POST / joking with nani dont go nuts
45/60 for that trolling
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On May 29 2011 22:38 Liquid`HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that.. LOLOL yea im sure its really horrible ;;; EDIT: OBVIOUS TROLL POST / joking with nani dont go nuts
but is it really trolling if u actually have to say it is to avoid the shitstorm :D
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lmao, take it easy noobies
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Grubby although I was not a wc3 fan i can see the potential you have in sc2 when you stream. Keep up the good work and STREAM MORE!
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On May 29 2011 22:56 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:39 Lennon wrote:On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't. It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2. What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically? The time spent playing the game is what has happened. Between Moon, Lyn, Grubby and Naniwa, Naniwa has most likely played a lot more considering moon and lyn are still practicing wc3 afaik and Grubby switched almost a year later than the players that started in beta. It's nothing wierd going on here.
Don't think Lyn and Moon play WC3 anymore but correct me if I'm wrong.
But yeah, considering they all started really late, I think they have a lot of potential. Grubby's results disappointing so far, but Lyn was in Code S which isn't bad, and Moon has been doing pretty well in NASL. Problem is that being on FOX for the two of them and Grubby being on his own team, you lose a lot of the advantage in having strong teammates.
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I think Grubby would do better as Terran. I think his multitasking/micro skills would translate more to drop play and the like than the protoss playstyle.
Either way, give him some more time and he'll be pwning faces left and right.
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Nice work, but it definitely belongs to Fanclub threads.
To the haters as always : Hate gonna make you stronger ! (Yep, that is truth!)
Naniwa showing some intelligent reply, i wonder what's your accomplishments in WC3 to troll like this ?
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I remember that i was very impressed by Grubby's play while watching his stream.
I think he has the right potential to succeed.
I was disappointed at his NASL results but now he can only have improved results.
If he qualifies...
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Artosis beat Grubby off racing and playing with korean latency at 5 AM.
He should go back to wc3 after that.
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nice one 
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The video of him going through the window was pretty funny. It made me laugh.
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On May 29 2011 21:17 Naniwa wrote:cool story bro
Best shit but this time naniwa if u guys meet again in finals kiwi will crush u
go kiwikaki
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On May 29 2011 22:38 Liquid`HuK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that.. LOLOL yea im sure its really horrible ;;; EDIT: OBVIOUS TROLL POST / joking with nani dont go nuts
Isn't 12-1 basically primetime for gamers?
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I don't really understand the purpose of this thread? I thought it would be some thoughts by Grubby on his switch.
And lol @the pros trolling this thread
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On May 30 2011 00:12 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:38 Liquid`HuK wrote:On May 29 2011 22:11 Naniwa wrote:
NASL is often played at like 12-1 for europeans + delay. its not fair to just judge anyone on that.. LOLOL yea im sure its really horrible ;;; EDIT: OBVIOUS TROLL POST / joking with nani dont go nuts Isn't 12-1 basically primetime for gamers?
I think most of the full time gamers keep more normal-ish schedules than the people who just play a lot of their free time.
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On May 29 2011 23:06 Naniwa wrote:
huk so fucking bm.
Yay more E-DRAMA, (even if artificial).
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Huk & KiWi vs Naniwa fistfight @ Anaheim?!?
Make it happen! Drama!
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oh god, orc ~ it was so "fun" running with fiends and geting caught by raiders. i had nightmares about those nets.
or anyone remembers mass fast wywern? i wonder who came up with that strat to make ud days miserable....
well, now i can only say protoss hwaiting
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Someone have the old interview with him where he compares scbw to wc3 and arguments that things that are harder to do are not always more impressive?
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On May 29 2011 22:39 Lennon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't. It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2. What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically?
Also rememeber that he started out waaaay later than any of the current ex-Wc3 pros who're on the top did.
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He 2-0'd Demuslim, Tarson and Nerchio in a recent ESL event. That's not to say his NASL results haven't been disappointing, but it's not like he's not accomplishing anything at all...
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I consider the criticisms Grubby receives for his NASL performance are almost good for him as they will make it look even more impressive when he puts in a good performance at a LAN event.
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Give us a break, he`s almost zero in SC2 tourneys. I really don`t understand all this fus about Grubby, compared to other players that switched to SC2.
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How about you list his sc2 achievements being as it is an sc2 forum an all...
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On May 30 2011 09:32 Stijn wrote:
He 2-0'd Demuslim, Tarson and Nerchio in a recent ESL event. That's not to say his NASL results haven't been disappointing, but it's not like he's not accomplishing anything at all...
He also took third in the Copenhagen LAN over players like MorroW.
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On May 30 2011 00:33 LittLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:39 Lennon wrote:On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't. It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2. What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically? Also rememeber that he started out waaaay later than any of the current ex-Wc3 pros who're on the top did.
Lyn and Moon were also taught by MakaPrime aka Townhall who was already well into the Korean metagame from his success in GSL.
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On June 03 2011 01:42 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:33 LittLeD wrote:On May 29 2011 22:39 Lennon wrote:On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't. It's weird to me that players on the same level as him in WC3, e.g. Moon and Lyn, are much more successful in SC2. What's even more weird is that Naniwa, who would get completely dominated by Grubby in WC3, would now dominate Grubby in SC2. How have the tables turned so dramatically? Also rememeber that he started out waaaay later than any of the current ex-Wc3 pros who're on the top did. Lyn and Moon were also taught by MakaPrime aka Townhall who was already well into the Korean metagame from his success in GSL.
Maka is Townhall :O? How the hell can I not know that ;>.
Also to all the critics, to the LANs that he showed up at, he does decently.
His NASL performance is not that great, but he has a lot of 1-2's, while they are still losses, don't blame him on just that. I get the feeling that because he hasn't played a lot of tournaments yet, people just rate him for his NASL performance because it's a big league.
He's been doing decent in ESL Euro cups so yeah, Grubby fighting !
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i have faith in the grubster.
grubby atm has flaws in his game but he practices a lot so those flaws will soon be ironed out.
also he is very very innovative which makes him very dangerous
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I hate you. All you fanboys, I hate all of you Grubby fanboys. Every thread with Grubby games in it is just like "give him more time", "wait for him to get used to SC2" etc. It sounds like he just picked up the game, whereas he is playing since 10 months now. Get it over with.
But then, I am becoming a Grubby-fanboy myself! At first I disliked him because he is A) Dutch (German dibs, sorry) and B) an ex-WC3-player (BW dibs, sorry), but the more I see of him the more I cheer for him. Leaving EG gave him a gazillon sympathy-points from me, and after his cool, intelligent, funny and well-spoken commentary at the Copenhagen Games, I totally fell for him. Plus, I like his unorthodox playstyle, which is most present in base-trade situations, when he forces his opponent to fail at multitasking properly. Go Grubby! :D
On May 29 2011 23:37 Greem wrote:
Naniwa showing some intelligent reply, i wonder what's your accomplishments in WC3 to troll like this ?
I wonder what WarCraft3 tournament results have to do with the eligibilty for commenting on a play schedule.
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Grubby's a laughing stock right now. He needs to step is game up. From what I've observed, his macro and overall strategy are his biggest weaknesses.
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I have a lot of respect for Grubby: picks Orcs, then picks Protoss.
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On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't.
Which many wc3 players are doing so well? Moon is average. I don't remember Lyn's results but I doubt it is all that amazing. I'd say he is the weakest of the best wc3 players that have switched to sc2 but I wouldn't say the others are doing amazingly well.
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Sometimes he shows some great things and then end up losing anyway 
bad decision and poor army management most of the time.
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On June 03 2011 02:22 zere wrote:I hate you. All you fanboys, I hate all of you Grubby fanboys. Every thread with Grubby games in it is just like "give him more time", "wait for him to get used to SC2" etc. It sounds like he just picked up the game, whereas he is playing since 10 months now. Get it over with. But then, I am becoming a Grubby-fanboy myself! At first I disliked him because he is A) Dutch (German dibs, sorry) and B) an ex-WC3-player (BW dibs, sorry), but the more I see of him the more I cheer for him. Leaving EG gave him a gazillon sympathy-points from me, and after his cool, intelligent, funny and well-spoken commentary at the Copenhagen Games, I totally fell for him. Plus, I like his unorthodox playstyle, which is most present in base-trade situations, when he forces his opponent to fail at multitasking properly. Go Grubby! :D Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 23:37 Greem wrote:
Naniwa showing some intelligent reply, i wonder what's your accomplishments in WC3 to troll like this ? I wonder what WarCraft3 tournament results have to do with the eligibilty for commenting on a play schedule.
welcome in the club )
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On June 03 2011 03:46 Sumwar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 22:22 Garnet wrote:
Many WC3 players are doing so well yet Grubby isn't. Which many wc3 players are doing so well? Moon is average. I don't remember Lyn's results but I doubt it is all that amazing. I'd say he is the weakest of the best wc3 players that have switched to sc2 but I wouldn't say the others are doing amazingly well.
ThorZaIN, Kas, Naniwa, KiWiKaKi are the big 4. I can think of dozens of others who are close.
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Someone should summarize the Grubby-Moon rivalry. Apparently a lot of Korean tears were shed over not being able to win WC3 tourneys or something but I don't know the story at all.
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On May 29 2011 21:17 Naniwa wrote:cool story bro
Wasn't orc WIDELY regarded as the weakest race for years, I recall grubby taking out moon in wcg2004 (Dont quote me) Where he surrounded moons DH with 4 grunts, wasn't that when NE were so imba .. it was starting to ruin wc3?
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sc2 forum but lets live in the past 2004 baby!!!! rock out...
bottom line is grubby achievements = cool story bro
when ya gonna do something lately? This more time excuse is getting old... EG gave up on him..10 months and still gaping holes in his game.
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On June 03 2011 04:03 UkGracken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On May 29 2011 21:06 KiWiKaKi wrote:
from worst race, to worst race cool story bro Wasn't orc WIDELY regarded as the weakest race for years, I recall grubby taking out moon in wcg2004 (Dont quote me) Where he surrounded moons DH with 4 grunts, wasn't that when NE were so imba .. it was starting to ruin wc3?
Yes. It was so bad at one point that one of the leagues in Korea modified their map pool to buff Orc and nerf Night Elf. They changed things like attack range, health regeneration and build time for certain units and buildings. I believe they did it because so many Night Elf mirrors in the finals were causing ratings to plummet and Orcs were incredibly weak.
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/9106-MBC_Prime_League_Map_Scandal
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