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On July 19 2011 01:08 hagga wrote:
I think every account should be able to make at least two users, just don't let them be signed in simultaneously. Being able to have a sort of smurf account within your account would surely ease the fear some players are experiencing when laddering. Especially if they want to play around with other races.
I've started to lose interest simply because I want to try playing other races on ladder, not just my main. But my off-races are significantly worse than my main. I'm not going to pay another 60€ for a game that I've already purchased.
I have no interest in team games, so playing random there doesn't make it any better for me.
So why don't you just... play the race you want on ladder? It's not like anyone care about your ladder ranking and you shouldn't either. If you get destroyd when you don't play your "main" well then be it.
Some people is taking the ladder way to serious like "oh I haven't had any warmup I can't ladder!!" "I'm a little bit tired I can't play ladder now what if I lose a game?" "It's not my main race!!".
Just play the game, a loss is a loss and it doesn't matter you will lose 100 more games and you will win ever more. No one is will judge you, no cares about your rank. Use ladder as practice and stop worring about it.
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On May 28 2011 01:45 theBullFrog wrote:
fear cuts deeper than +1 zealot blades, burns hotter than baneling acid or pierce deeper than the lance of a colossus.
Nice post  ...but yes fear of laddering is fear of losing a game. Just tell yourself you will learn from every loss and take it for what it is. You can't always win, so just make it a practice session instead of a "ranking" session and just change your approach to the whole matter.
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Season 1 I was high master Terran (lol big woop)
Season 2 So far I'm a high diamond Zerg (i think more because everyones better than because i'm worse)
Season 3 I'm going to be a ??? Protoss?
How fun
Wait this is off topic so far. I guess I'm saying I get over ladder fear by trying new races only with each new season.
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I still fail to understand why peope are AFRAID to play a computergame but okay Whatever floats your boat 
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I think ladder fear definitely hurts the popularity of Starcraft 2. The casual bronze leauger left Starcraft for Black Ops because he was too nervous to ladder.
Just one example I can think of.
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I have to say I've had ladder fear for quite a while. SC2 was my first RTS and I was (still am) quite a horrible player. I didn't play much games for the first 3 to 6 months of it's release. Then after season 2 I switched to Zerg and my ladder fear was gone over night.
I now just play ladder and enjoy it. I don't get angry any more when I lose, I practice builds and just keep preparing and learning. I honestly don't know why I had this fear to begin with. Ladder is fun people Get over it!!
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I guess I have the opposite thing. When they turned of promoting my games/day dropped a lot .
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Once they removed the number of games you lose, there is not as much to fear on ladder. It is just the fact you can feel frustrated having lost like 5 games + in a row, or if you fear getting demoted. Yes I think it is hurting the game a bit, there was once data showing that there are much less ppl playing 1v1 compared to 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4s.
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I think I prefer custom games because people seem to cheese less....of course you still get your cheese fix once in awhile. Only on ladder can I play 4 people in a row and get cheesed in each game back to back! It's not that I cannot beat cheese...I just prefer not to have to play against it every game.
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I think the majority of people are casual gamers and most people just feel overwhelmed by the amount of skill needed to play StarCraft, so they switch to MMO's or play FPS games that are more casual-friendly.
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I never even understood why people are scared to ladder. I think Blizzard did a good job of setting people up with players at their appropriate skill level. ICCUP on Brood War was a hell of a lot less forgiving. Who remembers dodging the random person that joins your game with 1000 points because you thought he was a smurf. If I lose a ladder game... I just play another game and if I go on a losing streak because I stopped "caring" I would take a break and then come back later.
Only time I "fear" playing Starcraft 2 is during tournaments because there's no GG RE? Once you lose you're out of the tournament so it's a different feeling for me. Still trying to get over the tournament jitters. I was like that when I played in Street Fighter tournaments.
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Due to ladder fear I only played one 1v1 during season 2, the placement match which placed me in diamond. I would love to have a custom match search option based on ELL.
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Wow. Is it really so unfathomable to so many people here that there are people who would like to improve but get stressed out by laddering? I see an enormous amount of posts here just saying it's a personality flaw or that the "casuals" just need to man up and play ladder, and that the 50/50 win ratio makes everything all butterflies and rainbows, and not enough discussing ways to deal with the stress of laddering. Talking down to the people who want to get better but stress themselves out doing so accomplishes nothing but stroking your own ego.
Personally, I can only play a handful of 1v1 ladder games in a row before I just need to decompress. Less than a handful if I lose to zerg, which always feels like cheese even if I lose a macro game. I'm in gold league (only started playing heavily after MLG Columbus) so just about every time I lose, it's to some kind of personal failure that should be easy to avoid but inevitably gets lost as my multitasking breaks down. Supply blocking, forgetting to put guys in gas, failing to scout cheese, or any of a dozen other failures happen to me constantly, and I get incredibly frustrated when it happens. I'm at a point where I just need to put in the hours to train these mechanics, and it's honestly painful sometimes to try and improve them while competing on ladder.
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On July 21 2011 06:34 Flummie wrote:I still fail to understand why peope are AFRAID to play a computergame but okay Whatever floats your boat
I don't think you're understand the topic. It isn't about being "afraid to play a computer game". That is extremely obvious, and I'm sure you can come to that conclusion on your own... or so I thought.
It is about COMPETITION. It is a natural human instinct, developed over hundreds of thousands of years. Many people are naturally drawn to competitive environments because of how their brain works. Losing creates negative emotions, whereas winning creates positive emotions. I love to lose, because it makes it easier to learn from my mistakes than if I win, but the feeling is there regardless. The brain does this on its own. It isn't a logical, rational conclusion.
On top of that, there is a ladder system that ranks you among others. This shows you how much worse, or better, you are in comparison to your peers. Being extremely competitive but also rational and intelligent (as most drawn to this type of environment are) makes for a painful combination. People are brutally aware of how bad they are, and realize how much better the competition is. They realize are bad at something they love.
I'm extremely competitive, but my personal attitude (from 20 years of competition in sports, academia, and life in general) allows me to move past losses extremely quickly. I don't get upset.
However, those not conditioned and prepared for this find it disheartening.
Repeat: they aren't thinking "I am afraid. This is why I'm afraid. I am sad because I lost because I am sad". It is a natural chemical flooding their systems, making them feel this way. It is part of the human race. We, like all living organisms, have a survival instinct, and when we are embarrassed, put down, lose at something we care about, etc., we feel "bad". Our body causes this.
Again, people conditioned to deal with this (or simply people more naturally inclined) have a much easier time dealing with losses.
However, realize that a huge portion of the population hasn't had that conditioning and don't deal with losing well.
It is simply a part of life. You can overcome it and move on, or drown in it. That's how people work.
Simplifying it as "being afraid of a computer game" is not only condescending, but also completely ignores everything we know about the human brain.
The information and understanding of this should be common sense, but if it isn't, plenty of data is available to learn more about how the human brain deals with situations like this.
People calling it "ridiculous"... really? Have you honestly stopped and thought about it? You're on a video-game website dedicated to COMPETITIVE GAMING. People care a LOT about winning.
Do you honestly not see people becoming upset in sports, and in life in general (failure to get a job, promotion, etc.)? Please, please don't say "well yeah, those things are important to their livelihood and allow them to pay the bills". People REACT THE SAME WAY WHEN THEY LOSE IN A GAME, NATURALLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE WIRED TO DO SO.
There isn't some magical reason as to why this exists.
Please stop dismissing things you don't understand. Instead, try to become a better human being by attempting to understand the world around you. This "fear" obviously exists, so saying "I don't understand it!" without even attempting to figure it out for yourself makes you look ignorant. Even for me, someone who doesn't have this "fear" whatsoever, it is extremely easy to understand. Stop and think. Stop and think. STOP AND THINK ABOUT THE WORLD AROUND YOU. The reasoning for things like this is should be simple to conclude, not as complicated as you want to make it seem.
People are obviously experiencing this, thus, a reason for it exists. Claiming there is no reason for it is a failure of logic and reason. People feel this way. Why? Why not try to understand it before simply dismissing it? A reason for it exists, and stating you don't "understand it" is confounding to someone who realized it within seconds of thinking about it. Stop being stubborn and think about it for a second.
My frustration here has nothing to do with SC, but everything to do with the failure to even attempt to understand the world around you. If people were more thoughtful and attempted to UNDERSTAND the world around them, they'd become much less ignorant and much more enlightened.
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I have to stop after 2 or 3 losses in a row because I just get so down on myself. But I wouldn't say it was fear. Just have fun guys, no need to get scared
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Its much more fun to play the game at a pace you can manage. I found that, while I enjoyed the feeling of winning and getting closer to promotion, the pressure I put on my game to get there at the desired rate was unsustainable. And part of the pressure was just so I knew I could do it. Better to ramp things down, take some losses and play cool.
Edit: I don't know how ladder fear could damage the casual scene...? If you're afraid then you're competitive...
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On May 28 2011 01:45 theBullFrog wrote:
fear cuts deeper than +1 zealot blades, burns hotter than baneling acid or pierce deeper than the lance of a colossus.
I really believe and wish i could say that this is not a big issue and that people should just get over it... but i haven't laddered 1v1 in about 3 weeks precisely because of ladder fear
ITS HORRIBLE
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Russian Federation138 Posts
Ledder just adds a little to the fear and tenseness of 1v1. You play in the dark not knowing what your oponent is doing, you cant mess your build order. must not gorget pylons, must make units, expand, scout him...
After 5 games a day 1v1 sucking me dry((
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What is the purpose of this thread?
Objectively, there are not a lot of people reading TL (compared to the playerbase) and there are even less casual players with ladder fear.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
If your affraid to ladder, your affraid of your own skills in my opinion, the fear of losing is the lack of self beleift in ones ability. If your in Masters for instance and your scared to ladder because your not so good in a specfici match up, the only way to learn it, is to play it. If your scared about your win/loss record becoming crap, then what is the point in playing A GAME? A game which you should enjoy to play. The gap between Pro Level and Amateur level is huge, so if you think, well if i have a good win/loss ratio i might be able to get into a pro league because im rank 8 masters with a 70% Win/Loss ratio then theres something wrong with your brain.
You should enjoy this game and play all the time you feel you want too, and enjoy it. Its a game after all, just because your masters it doesnt make you "pro" and have to win every game. It just means your good at the game and you understand a bit better than others. The pro level is still a million miles away.
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