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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 00:23:48
May 26 2011 00:23 GMT
#41
Kids? I'm an old timer man.

Best in the world? Losing your shot? No one said that. You are putting words in my mouth. Hell, at this stage no one is the best. -_-

When I speak, I speak from experience. Players under 18 have the most room for development. This isn't a baseless opinion. It's been proven.
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
May 26 2011 00:23 GMT
#42
On May 26 2011 09:08 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 09:07 Baarn wrote:
On May 26 2011 09:02 OGCeltiC wrote:
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote:
Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.


Yes I totally agree.


Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.

Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.

not all parents are logical and understanding of these sorts of things.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#43
On May 26 2011 09:15 AhhBoxxah wrote:

Cool story.

Contracts are worthless if signed by minors, even with guardian consent.


No. Contracts are worthless if they aren't well written. -_-
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 26 2011 00:25 GMT
#44
On May 26 2011 09:21 Eleaven wrote:
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On May 26 2011 09:14 Golgotha wrote:
true about the age thing. 18 is actually very old. the true gosus are actually the kids that are playing at the age of 10

they will grow up with SC2 and hit a peak at 16.

btw will there be a house? if you are not even going to have a house for these players when you surely do not need to be 18...



lol.

Some of the most technically/mechanically sound musicians/fighters/racers are all over the age of 30.
Why would pressing buttons on keyboard be much more demanding than say, John Petrucci playing glasgow kiss, mechanically speaking?.

also, what with 6 years of study, cant be improved upon with 16 years of study?

all of this "herp only 13 year olds can be good" thing is a bit silly and totally overplayed



haha okay okay I was a bit overboard but I feel like they could miss out on some youngsters who have spent their entire childhood playing SC2. Coupled with their quick natural reflexes and experience as they grow up...they will revamp the pro scene just like little Flash, Baby, and Jaedong did. Gotta start young.

But I am not saying that older guys can be good. But the younger kids bring advantages.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
May 26 2011 00:28 GMT
#45
On May 26 2011 09:23 Warrice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 09:08 Pokebunny wrote:
On May 26 2011 09:07 Baarn wrote:
On May 26 2011 09:02 OGCeltiC wrote:
On May 26 2011 08:58 StarStruck wrote:
Complexity Gaming is stabbing themselves in the foot. I hope you realize that the next big thing is most likely going to be well under 18 years of age. You should ask these players to get consent from their legal guardians. Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

Keep in mind this is coming from a person who scouted a lot of upcoming BW players before they branched out.


Yes I totally agree.


Then the parent gets pissed off over something and the player suddenly can't make commitments wasting everyone's time.

Shrug. It's mostly a matter of communication. Have your parents talk to your team manager, understand the commitment involved, keep both parties informed, and once parents see it's a serious, honest business, they'll understand a bit as long as you don't slack too much in the rest of your life.

not all parents are logical and understanding of these sorts of things.

Meh. I don't know, I feel like as long as you are in control of the rest of your life (school) and have proven that it is a real intellectual challenge and talent to them, only the most conservative of parents would just shut you down completely. I'm white though, maybe in Asian families it would be different? Shrug~
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 00:31:55
May 26 2011 00:29 GMT
#46
On May 26 2011 09:23 StarStruck wrote:
Kids? I'm an old timer man.

Best in the world? Losing your shot? No one said that. You are putting words in my mouth. Hell, at this stage no one is the best. -_-

When I speak, I speak from experience. Players under 18 have the most room for development. This isn't a baseless opinion. It's been proven.



link to reputable study please? I'd genuinely be interested. Didn't realise all humans peaked in potential pre 18.

Perhaps your confusing time commitment/responsibility with some sort of pre defined biological clock that says "hey your never gonna be good now"

If you're correct tho.. then damn.. we as a species really need to rework the education system completely (well thats already true) but now for different reasons.

anyway, gl CoL. nice initiative


@Golgotha - Yeah we can all agree on that i think, a definite advantage to start young
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 00:31:16
May 26 2011 00:31 GMT
#47
edit: balls double post
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
May 26 2011 00:33 GMT
#48
best of luck to all applicants! looking forward to seeing who's accepted
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
coL.edward
Profile Joined December 2010
United States86 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 00:37:07
May 26 2011 00:36 GMT
#49
You guys are responding like this contract is for life and compLexity has GOT to sign the newest talent so they will take their talents to coL for life - this is a great chance for rising up and coming players, and to be honest, dealing with parents and legal issues with potentially under 18 players might not be worth the effort for this first initiative.

Best of luck to compLexity and anyone applying!
compLexity gaming - www.complexitygaming.com
outerspace02
Profile Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
May 26 2011 00:41 GMT
#50
this failed miserably in CS

wont work for sc2 either
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
May 26 2011 00:41 GMT
#51
sounds awesome great to see teams looking to find and develop talent
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45167 Posts
May 26 2011 00:45 GMT
#52
Would have been so much more appropriate if "col." stood for "colonel"

Good luck guys.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Arcanewinds
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom197 Posts
May 26 2011 00:51 GMT
#53
Perhaps if you open this up to Europe I'll apply :D.
Durn
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada360 Posts
May 26 2011 00:53 GMT
#54
Ah man, gotta ladder hard to get into Masters for this. Diamond isn't cutting it anymore.
"Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott
th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
May 26 2011 00:55 GMT
#55
this reminds me of the team dignitas gamer search, more teams should be doing this type of talent scouting, this should be sweet guys :D
did you read the script?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 01:10:59
May 26 2011 01:05 GMT
#56
Ed, no they even commented on the fact that they're starting it out this way. Which is fine. It still means they're going to stab themselves in the foot from the start. If you don't have legal aid to write a proper contract then it's totally understandable.

As for the other guy, I'm not going to go data mining for those papers and VODs. It doesn't apply to every facet of education, lmao. Don't have to over exaggerate. I oversimplified for a reason. Development can mean many things.

Anyway, Brood War was the main source of the material I'm talking about and if you look closer at the BW scene you will see how their system works and take notice of when players peak and start fading away. There have been several studies on players such as XellOs, Midas, NaDa and BoxeR to name a few. I think you will be surprised with regards to how much content they have and how many studies they've done on such players.

It is true the U.I. in SC2 is more friendly, but we've only scratched the surface and players like Nestea can rise above the competition regardless. Still, the fresher they are the better they will be.
jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
May 26 2011 01:06 GMT
#57
On May 26 2011 09:41 outerspace02 wrote:
this failed miserably in CS

wont work for sc2 either


Actually the CS tournament was a great success. The team that won fell apart, sadly. With SC2 being a 1v1 game this won't be an issue and we're confident the program will be successful. Sure there will be bumps in the road but we believe in the academy.
compLexity Gaming - @coL_Lake
-eXalt
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States462 Posts
May 26 2011 01:08 GMT
#58
I was so excited about this until I saw the 18 year old requirement.. 17 yo's cant be good at sc too? I know there's (maybe) legal issues.. somehow.. but realistically i think it would be fine in this situation
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
May 26 2011 01:18 GMT
#59
you guys are forgetting theres also a possible issue of maturity level. Maybe they don't want kids because kids are generally immature and possible more BM. complexity is a very professional team so i wouldn't be surprised if that were their reasoning.
Scriptix
Profile Joined December 2010
United States145 Posts
May 26 2011 01:20 GMT
#60
As soon as I get a camera, I will be on top of making that video asap!
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