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So I just sent mine:
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15 - IMNesTea (since he stopped playing macro only, he has gotten SICK)
14 - ST_Bomber (I wanted to put Mvp here and Bomber 3rd, but after the CodeA finals...)
13 - IMMvp (if someone has nearly the same decisionmakingskill that NesTea has, it's Mvp)
12 - ogsMC (he had to go to the up/downs this season and lost in the GSTL, that's why he is currently that "low" in my ranking)
11 - MarineKingPrimeWE (not the best results lately, still his control is just fascination and he is among the best since season2...)
10 - IMLosira (he aimed for the throne, but NesTea just outshone him)
09 - SCfou (he beat Losira still one below him... I just think Losira is more consistent)
08 - ogsNada (always among the best)
07 - Slayers_Alicia (got outplayed by Losira, but still one of the up&comming imo)
06 - TSL_Fruitdealer (nearly got NesTea, but Im not sure if he will ever make a final again)
05 - MvP_Genius (I don't know why, but watching him makes me feel like he has a lot of potential + he is pretty consistent)
04 - Slayers_MMA (Ace-Player of the GSTL winning team, still has to proof a lot, to earn what they say about him)
03 - ogsInca (you have to give him credit, even if he only really shines in PvP...)
02 - MvP_DongRaeGu (sick GSTL performance, therefore he is CURRENTLY in my Top15)
01 - ST_July (a bit of a slump, since his MC finals, but he is definatly one of the scariest players to go against)
to everyone who doesn't like it... If you're not in my list I don't consider your opinion better than mine!
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PMed my list:
I made that list before watching Min beat July, but honestly I think many are ranking him too high. He's the current kyrix. Yeah he's got a fun and agressive style to watch, but beyond that he flounders and dies. Kyrix won that all stars game against MKP, but has since dropped off the radar. So think about that when writing up your list.
Edit, didn't see the list above me. Yeah that's closer to what I was thinking.
My list is:
1. MC
2. Nestea
3. MVP
4. MarineKing
5. MMA
6. Bomber
7. Alicia
8. DongRaeGu
9. Losira
10. SC
11. Jinro
12. Nada
13. July
14. HuK
15. Squirtle
I know, those last two are gonna recieve a lot of flack. Keep in mind, HuK beat MMA in the up/down matches, and I think is still improving.
Squirtle has a ton of potential, which may not show this month due to him being against MKP in the opening round.
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On May 25 2011 22:22 ditkaordie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 22:10 dunc wrote:
These rankings will be shit because TL overhypes people like Bomber/MMA. Saying either of those 2 are better than MarineKing is absolutely hilarious.
Top4 should be MC/MVP/Nestea/MarineKing and based on results, players(who actually have a clue) opinions on those 4 players and the fact that those 4 are ALWAYS the favourites unless going against eachother I don't see how any argument is possible.
Also DRG and MMA both won Bo1's against good players. I love DRG but really, that's not a measurement of skill. We saw how MMA ended up when he had to play a bo3 against one of the four players. There is a time limit for achievements of ~1 month. MKP got to the finals in february and hasn't got out of the first round in the last 2 code s tournies. Also he has almost no GSTL results, unlike MMA who has been (unrightfully so) deemed the legend killer. Bomber beat MVP, MMA, Ryung, and Lyn. Can you name a more impressive list of terran players beaten by someone else? DRG is not Code A yet so should not be considered for top 15 in korea yet however if he makes it to Code A and dominates there like we all expect him to he will shoot up mine (and probably everyone elses) rankings.
World championship which had bo3's, not bo1's. You can't really judge from one month, especially not the GTSL because the format puts some players at a huge disadvantage(for example, Prime is not very good so MarineKing has huge pressure on him everytime they play since they rely on him. oGs is.. not great so MC has huge pressure on him everytime he plays.)
I love the GTSL but people don't judge Power Rank by bo1's in BW and they definitely shouldn't in a volatile game like Starcraft2 since bo1's favour the worse player.
Also to the poster above you, do you have any clue what Power Rank means?
Anyway you're right, good luck with the idea eventhough it'll just be like Just Desserts writeup. Terribly biased.
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I don't get how you can not put the three double champions in the top 3 whatever order you want to but really they have proved themselves the best players in korea(the world)
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Let me think first! I will be sending my list in soonish!
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In retrospect I probably should have ranked bomber a little higher, I still think MKP is better than MMA though.
Also, how are so many people voting SCFoU SO LOW!? He was really REALLY close to being the GSL champion last month. Way closer than Inca was in my opinion.
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On May 25 2011 22:38 Sarang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 22:10 dunc wrote:
These rankings will be shit because TL overhypes people like Bomber/MMA(OMG ARTOSIS SAID THEY ARE THE BEST WE MUST ALL BELIEVE HIM!!). Saying either of those 2 are better than MarineKing is absolutely hilarious.
So it's "absolutely hilarious" to consider Bomber better than MKP, even though Bomber's been sitting at the top of the TLPD ELO rank for weeks, if not months? It's "hilarious" to consider Bomber better, even though, if we look at win percentages, Bomber has won 10.59% more TvT's, 9.82% more TvZ's, and 29.06% more TvP's, You do realise GSL second places aren't the only things determining a good player, right? You come off as rather arrogant. No, your opinion isn't correct. It's just an opinion, and we're all entitled to one. My opinion is that Bomber and MKP are too close to call at the moment. Some people are more impressed by MKP, others are more impressed by Bomber. Calling other people's opinions "absolutely hilarious" and saying that people who agree with you "actually have a clue" is incredibly arrogant.
TLPD doesn't mean anything.
I will not explain why it's obvious when you look at it. We can't call because Bomber only qualified now, but with the next code S season and super tournament we will see more of him. Maybe he'll be able to take out MC and qualify for the final (I'm sure that he'll take out NesTea in RO32)
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Nestea
MC
Mvp
Mkp
Bomber
July
Sc
MMA
Losira
Nada
Keen
Boxer
Lyn
DRG
Min
I am biased.
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On May 25 2011 22:59 TheDougler wrote:
In retrospect I probably should have ranked bomber a little higher, I still think MKP is better than MMA though.
Also, how are so many people voting SCFoU SO LOW!? He was really REALLY close to being the GSL champion last month. Way closer than Inca was in my opinion.
While SCfou is an all-rounded better than average player, he doesn't have something that distinguish him from the other players, like MK micro, or MVP consistency, or even Bomber decision making+macro
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Sent my list. Nice idea, looking forward to the Western rankings list. 
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On May 25 2011 23:16 WArped wrote:Sent my list. Nice idea, looking forward to the Western rankings list.
this would be really cool, but even tougher...
but I don't know... as there is not this ONE BIG tournament in the West it may turn out into an Idraflamer vs Idralover and people that actually don't win a lot might be considered among the best for "their style".
Nevertheless it would be cool
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On May 25 2011 23:35 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 23:16 WArped wrote:Sent my list. Nice idea, looking forward to the Western rankings list. this would be really cool, but even tougher... but I don't know... as there is not this ONE BIG tournament in the West it may turn out into an Idraflamer vs Idralover and people that actually don't win a lot might be considered among the best for "their style". Nevertheless it would be cool
All of the above QFT (and of course to bump this awesome thread so it can get more viewers and therefore a better final powerranking statistic that reflects more of the fanbases views... but mainly QFT).
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I got 15 or so PM's in the last hour which is awesome, and I'll count them as soon as I can. Keep sending them in and put in comments if you have the chance or time.
When I compiled my list, I simply asked myself, right now, looking at the present and past, who would be the guy I would be most sure in the world to beat everyone behind him in a Best of 7. The person I picked for my #1 overall is a guy I think would beat #2, #3, #4, #5, etc. on my list if they were in a Grand Final in a Bo7 series. Not saying he would, but I would always bet on that guy against the others at the time being.
But people have varying opinions and see games differently. I just want to reassure you all that the final product will be great. I will most likely write a gigantic article revealing the top twenty five or so with each person getting their own dedication, comments made by them from the people who voted, and all that jazz.
Like I said yesterday, get your friends to vote that you play with that have accounts here and spread the word. It's been really fun so far counting up the votes and reading your guy's comments on why you believe so and so is the best player in the GSL.
Anyway you're right, good luck with the idea eventhough it'll just be like Just Desserts writeup. Terribly biased.
But I don't know how it can be biased. These will be the opinions from hundreds of people. If it was just me telling you my top players, yes, that will be biased. You have your opinion and have your right to send in your rankings and add to the totals to who you think are the best in the GSL. Even with your concerns, I hope you enjoy the final product and continue having your own opinion.
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Yeah I'm not sure how it can be biased. There's gonna be a few fan favorites whose skill estimation is slightly inflated but overall it's gonna be a really cool thing to see.
Edit: It also might be cool to have a vote of who is the best of the top three, or top five if you include the other two who've been voted as the best (I'm guessing Bomber and MMA are the two other than Nestea, MVP and MC who have been voted as the best by people).
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On May 25 2011 22:41 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 22:22 ditkaordie wrote:On May 25 2011 22:10 dunc wrote:
These rankings will be shit because TL overhypes people like Bomber/MMA. Saying either of those 2 are better than MarineKing is absolutely hilarious.
Top4 should be MC/MVP/Nestea/MarineKing and based on results, players(who actually have a clue) opinions on those 4 players and the fact that those 4 are ALWAYS the favourites unless going against eachother I don't see how any argument is possible.
Also DRG and MMA both won Bo1's against good players. I love DRG but really, that's not a measurement of skill. We saw how MMA ended up when he had to play a bo3 against one of the four players. There is a time limit for achievements of ~1 month. MKP got to the finals in february and hasn't got out of the first round in the last 2 code s tournies. Also he has almost no GSTL results, unlike MMA who has been (unrightfully so) deemed the legend killer. Bomber beat MVP, MMA, Ryung, and Lyn. Can you name a more impressive list of terran players beaten by someone else? DRG is not Code A yet so should not be considered for top 15 in korea yet however if he makes it to Code A and dominates there like we all expect him to he will shoot up mine (and probably everyone elses) rankings. World championship which had bo3's, not bo1's. You can't really judge from one month, especially not the GTSL because the format puts some players at a huge disadvantage( for example, Prime is not very good so MarineKing has huge pressure on him everytime they play since they rely on him. oGs is.. not great so MC has huge pressure on him everytime he plays.) I love the GTSL but people don't judge Power Rank by bo1's in BW and they definitely shouldn't in a volatile game like Starcraft2 since bo1's favour the worse player. Also to the poster above you, do you have any clue what Power Rank means? Anyway you're right, good luck with the idea eventhough it'll just be like Just Desserts writeup. Terribly biased.
MC has won in TL MKP has not. The pressure that you talk of is something that MMA has to go through 10x this. I don't personally have MMA or MKP in my korean top 10 but to say MKP is top 4 in a power ranking is borderline rediculous.
And Really, flamewheel doesnt use proleague results in his power rankings of broodwar?
Come on you're either trolling or talking completely out of your ass.
Power rankings are always biased, look at ESPN's power rankings. Do they always have the higher win percentage team at the top? No, they have who they feel and from what they have seen is the strongest team of the week or month.
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GSTL is a very bad measure because it involves bo1's and thus players can train for specific maps to snipe specific players. Thats why MMA and DRG do good there.
But put them in a bo3/5 situation where they can't prepare for a specific snipe and they flounder
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On May 26 2011 02:09 1Eris1 wrote:
GSTL is a very bad measure because it involves bo1's and thus players can train for specific maps to snipe specific players. Thats why MMA and DRG do good there.
But put them in a bo3/5 situation where they can't prepare for a specific snipe and they flounder
DRG was 5 and 1 this GSTL not just sniping but winning after his initial map. MMA doesn't really snipe as much as he is an ace. There is no telling who he will face in the last 1 or 2 games of a series yet he does fantasically against them all.
The bo3/5/7 situation gives players atleast 7 times the amount of prep time for 1 opponent of 1 race. I don't really understand where you are going with this preperation argument. I'm sure when OGS plays SlayerS MC prepares hardest for PvT for MMA knowing they will both be sent out last. GSTL is only like 4 days long how much time do these guys really have to prepare to be snipers if one teams ace is p and others are z and t. Aces of teams (MMA, DRG, MC, Nestea/MVP, SC, MKP) have to prepare for any race in the highest of pressure situations.
The entire first round of Code S is Bo1 should we throw away those results too.
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On May 26 2011 02:04 ditkaordie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 22:41 dunc wrote:On May 25 2011 22:22 ditkaordie wrote:On May 25 2011 22:10 dunc wrote:
These rankings will be shit because TL overhypes people like Bomber/MMA. Saying either of those 2 are better than MarineKing is absolutely hilarious.
Top4 should be MC/MVP/Nestea/MarineKing and based on results, players(who actually have a clue) opinions on those 4 players and the fact that those 4 are ALWAYS the favourites unless going against eachother I don't see how any argument is possible.
Also DRG and MMA both won Bo1's against good players. I love DRG but really, that's not a measurement of skill. We saw how MMA ended up when he had to play a bo3 against one of the four players. There is a time limit for achievements of ~1 month. MKP got to the finals in february and hasn't got out of the first round in the last 2 code s tournies. Also he has almost no GSTL results, unlike MMA who has been (unrightfully so) deemed the legend killer. Bomber beat MVP, MMA, Ryung, and Lyn. Can you name a more impressive list of terran players beaten by someone else? DRG is not Code A yet so should not be considered for top 15 in korea yet however if he makes it to Code A and dominates there like we all expect him to he will shoot up mine (and probably everyone elses) rankings. World championship which had bo3's, not bo1's. You can't really judge from one month, especially not the GTSL because the format puts some players at a huge disadvantage( for example, Prime is not very good so MarineKing has huge pressure on him everytime they play since they rely on him. oGs is.. not great so MC has huge pressure on him everytime he plays.) I love the GTSL but people don't judge Power Rank by bo1's in BW and they definitely shouldn't in a volatile game like Starcraft2 since bo1's favour the worse player. Also to the poster above you, do you have any clue what Power Rank means? Anyway you're right, good luck with the idea eventhough it'll just be like Just Desserts writeup. Terribly biased. MC has won in TL MKP has not. The pressure that you talk of is something that MMA has to go through 10x this. I don't personally have MMA or MKP in my korean top 10 but to say MKP is top 4 in a power ranking is borderline rediculous. And Really, flamewheel doesnt use proleague results in his power rankings of broodwar? Come on you're either trolling or talking completely out of your ass. Power rankings are always biased, look at ESPN's power rankings. Do they always have the higher win percentage team at the top? No, they have who they feel and from what they have seen is the strongest team of the week or month.
You know that all teams on SPL play every week right?And the guys on top 10 of Power Rank play every week on SPL+individual tournaments like OSL and MSL.
Not just one big tournament, where if you are knocked out early, you have no chance to prove what you are able to do til next month.
If you are counting TL to choose MC and MKP ranks, you should consider MMA and DRG too.If not, GSLWC was a month ago, and MKP was 2nd place, i don't think he dropped below 10th in such a short time.
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i'm curious. is this for april or may? cause may has not ended yet.
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