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On May 19 2011 08:59 Thetan wrote:I just wanted to say that some the lyrics included in your "response to the haters on this thread" were immature, awful, and hateful. Show nested quote +Don't think i'm really bad, if you think i'm bad, you're a fag
You better get down cause all u haters is gay
yea you take it up the butt and then squirt in ur ass
then i put you in the highest of the mother fucking gay class
We don't carry guns, we just shoot nuns up their ass cause they're bitches and they Catholic If you think that crap is fine, I don't want you in my community. Shit like that actually isn't funny or okay. And while I'm on it, you're rapping isn't *terrible* - but it's definitely not as good as you're making it out to be. This I feel is the heart of most of our criticisms of your music. That you brush aside people who don't enjoy your own music as much as you do as "trolls" rather than people with different musical tastes adds to this fire. You insist that you're music is "dope", and that anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out "wrong" and must be "trolling". That, my friend, is the definition of arrogance. If you were more well-mannered, maybe you wouldn't be catching so much flak.
Someone needs to relax. Those are raps. Not our opinions. It's a rap, why so serious?
Your opinion on my rapping saying its not good is invalid until you show me you can rap better.
Then, after you prove to me you can rap better I'll listen to your advice. Because seriously, If you don't rap, you don't know therefore your opinion is meaningless.
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On May 19 2011 12:05 Bacon-X wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 08:59 Thetan wrote:I just wanted to say that some the lyrics included in your "response to the haters on this thread" were immature, awful, and hateful. Don't think i'm really bad, if you think i'm bad, you're a fag
You better get down cause all u haters is gay
yea you take it up the butt and then squirt in ur ass
then i put you in the highest of the mother fucking gay class
We don't carry guns, we just shoot nuns up their ass cause they're bitches and they Catholic If you think that crap is fine, I don't want you in my community. Shit like that actually isn't funny or okay. And while I'm on it, you're rapping isn't *terrible* - but it's definitely not as good as you're making it out to be. This I feel is the heart of most of our criticisms of your music. That you brush aside people who don't enjoy your own music as much as you do as "trolls" rather than people with different musical tastes adds to this fire. You insist that you're music is "dope", and that anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out "wrong" and must be "trolling". That, my friend, is the definition of arrogance. If you were more well-mannered, maybe you wouldn't be catching so much flak. Someone needs to relax. Those are raps. Not our opinions. It's a rap, why so serious? Your opinion on my rapping saying its not good is invalid until you show me you can rap better. Then, after you prove to me you can rap better I'll listen to your advice. Because seriously, If you don't rap, you don't know therefore your opinion is meaningless.
"Someone needs to relax...It's a rap, why so serious?"
Just because it's a rap doesn't excuse it for being incendiary and hate-filled. Such speech should not be said lightly -- and *is not* within a respectable community. There is absolutely no need for that crap -- and that you think it's fine to proudly associate yourself with such bullshit makes me think less of you as a man and a person.
It doesn't matter whether you really believe what you say or not. The fact that you're even willing to *say* it is something that should be admonished -- not celebrated.
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"Your opinion on my rapping saying its not good is invalid until you show me you can rap better"
I can say BitByBit is a terrible excuse for a Starcraft player, but he's still prob. better than me at Starcraft. I'm not comparing you to me, I'm comparing you, your music, and your claims that your rapping is "good" not to myself but to rap music that *I* think is "good".
I don't need to rap to enjoy rap. And I did not enjoy your rapping. And for you to brush my judgment (as well as those of others) aside merely because I did not agree that your rap fell within the standards I have for "good" rap as "meaningless" and "trolling" -- using only your claim that you're a better rapper than I as grounds for your judgment -- is both insulting and is the very *definition* of "arrogance".
Do you honestly believe that every rapper better than you would look at what you put out and call it "dope"? Because that is what you've been implying...
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On May 19 2011 13:46 Thetan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 12:05 Bacon-X wrote:On May 19 2011 08:59 Thetan wrote:I just wanted to say that some the lyrics included in your "response to the haters on this thread" were immature, awful, and hateful. Don't think i'm really bad, if you think i'm bad, you're a fag
You better get down cause all u haters is gay
yea you take it up the butt and then squirt in ur ass
then i put you in the highest of the mother fucking gay class
We don't carry guns, we just shoot nuns up their ass cause they're bitches and they Catholic If you think that crap is fine, I don't want you in my community. Shit like that actually isn't funny or okay. And while I'm on it, you're rapping isn't *terrible* - but it's definitely not as good as you're making it out to be. This I feel is the heart of most of our criticisms of your music. That you brush aside people who don't enjoy your own music as much as you do as "trolls" rather than people with different musical tastes adds to this fire. You insist that you're music is "dope", and that anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out "wrong" and must be "trolling". That, my friend, is the definition of arrogance. If you were more well-mannered, maybe you wouldn't be catching so much flak. Someone needs to relax. Those are raps. Not our opinions. It's a rap, why so serious? Your opinion on my rapping saying its not good is invalid until you show me you can rap better. Then, after you prove to me you can rap better I'll listen to your advice. Because seriously, If you don't rap, you don't know therefore your opinion is meaningless. "Someone needs to relax...It's a rap, why so serious?" Just because it's a rap doesn't excuse it for being incendiary and hate-filled. Such speech should not be said lightly -- and *is not* within a respectable community. There is absolutely no need for that crap -- and that you think it's fine to proudly associate yourself with such bullshit makes me think less of you as a man and a person. It doesn't matter whether you really believe what you say or not. The fact that you're even willing to *say* it is something that should be admonished -- not celebrated. ---------------------- "Your opinion on my rapping saying its not good is invalid until you show me you can rap better" I can say BitByBit is a terrible excuse for a Starcraft player, but he's still prob. better than me at Starcraft. I'm not comparing you to me, I'm comparing you, your music, and your claims that your rapping is "good" not to myself but to rap music that *I* think is "good". I don't need to rap to enjoy rap. And I did not enjoy your rapping. And for you to brush my judgment (as well as those of others) aside merely because I did not agree that your rap fell within the standards I have for "good" rap as "meaningless" and "trolling" -- using only your claim that you're a better rapper than I as grounds for your judgment -- is both insulting and is the very *definition* of "arrogance". Do you honestly believe that every rapper better than you would look at what you put out and call it "dope"? Because that is what you've been implying...
I agree with this post, you say you take criticism, but when infact, when most of us tell you somethign that has problems you go to the "if you can do it better" or you dont know this cuz you dont like rap. Honestly, i find your "raps" really offensive, and yeah a lot of people say things they dont think, but when you post it onto TL, and on youtube, people done know who you are, and all we know is what you put up.
The video about responding to haters/trollers, did you seriously need to get someone to say "yeah hes a good rapper" because that just seems sad to need to get someone to say you're good. The people who determine an artist is good isn't the artists themselves, but their audience, the people who listen to it. If you check your videos, you can see the ratio of likes to dislikes, i can sit here all day and argue im the best sc player in the world, when im not, and even if i think that, am i really the best? no. You can think you're the best, and be defensive all you want, but in the end, its not for you to judge how good your rapping is, its the rest of the community, because you decided to share your raps with everyone else.
"Because seriously, If you don't rap, you don't know therefore your opinion is meaningless."
This line is the most idiotic response, basically you only care about the people that like it, and disregard the people who don't because "they don't know rap".
P.S. If you really think your music is good, add a poll to your OP, and see how many people actually like it
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Because you don't take well to constructive criticism (see lennon) I will ask you questions.
1. What lines in your raps do you see as complex rhyme schemes (aka not nursery rhyme format)? To illustrate my point, I kill your units so quick i leave your vision blurred,
cause i'm starcraft elite status, ain't a nerd,
Quickly kill your expansion then off to your main,
Wreck it up easily I bring you the pain,
Killed all your workers, erased your economy,
When I be playing starcraft II there ain't no stoppin' me,
of course you lost haha.. I'm #1,
GG well played that was alot of fun
is the most simple rhyme scheme of just rhyming the last word every 2 lines... Even Drake knows you have to go at least 4 lines of rhyming
2. Please point out any word play or clever lines that you used.
tanks sieged up yeah nigga now what
gonna push these tanks and ram you in the butt
This is an awful lyrically... "ram you in the butt" makes you sound like a 5th grader and you went immediately from the tanks being sieged up to moving which creates a disconnect in your lyrics
3. (This isn't a question just criticism) It is hard to express in words a criticism of flow. My attempt would be that good flow makes lines that are too long or too short for the beat of the song sound right effortlessly. When you have a line thats too long or too short you can immediately tell because when you are too short you either add filler words that are completely unnecessary in the nuke you (i.e. all the niggas and cursing) or you elongate words and pauses in protoss rap (like you betttttttter believe). This all causes me to notice your poor lyrical structure which shouldn't happen if you had good flow.
*edit: It looks like the only valid types of criticism you want to hear sound something like "yo man this is dope but i couldn't hear you well enough" or "man that rap was tight but your quality of sound is all messed up" or "you got potential but you need to put more production into your raps"
btw rapping while getting a haircut and walking around and in a cypher doesnt make you a rapper nor does it make you good... I think you need to let the people you claim love your rapping do the talking for you... you think real rappers get deals and fans by telling everyone how great they are. No they drop mixtapes and create a following so that someone big will hear them and bring them into the limelight... they may rap about how amazing they are but if they dont live up to that standard they will be disregarded
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On May 19 2011 14:30 ditkaordie wrote:Because you don't take well to constructive criticism (see lennon) I will ask you questions. 1. What lines in your raps do you see as complex rhyme schemes (aka not nursery rhyme format)? To illustrate my point, Show nested quote + I kill your units so quick i leave your vision blurred,
cause i'm starcraft elite status, ain't a nerd,
Quickly kill your expansion then off to your main,
Wreck it up easily I bring you the pain,
Killed all your workers, erased your economy,
When I be playing starcraft II there ain't no stoppin' me,
of course you lost haha.. I'm #1,
GG well played that was alot of fun is the most simple rhyme scheme of just rhyming the last word every 2 lines... Even Drake knows you have to go at least 4 lines of rhyming 2. Please point out any word play or clever lines that you used. Show nested quote + tanks sieged up yeah nigga now what
gonna push these tanks and ram you in the butt This is an awful lyrically... "ram you in the butt" makes you sound like a 5th grader and you went immediately from the tanks being sieged up to moving which creates a disconnect in your lyrics 3. (This isn't a question just criticism) It is hard to express in words a criticism of flow. My attempt would be that good flow makes lines that are too long or too short for the beat of the song sound right effortlessly. When you have a line thats too long or too short you can immediately tell because when you are too short you either add filler words that are completely unnecessary in the nuke you (i.e. all the niggas and cursing) or you elongate words and pauses in protoss rap (like you betttttttter believe). This all causes me to notice your poor lyrical structure which shouldn't happen if you had good flow. *edit: It looks like the only valid types of criticism you want to hear sound something like "yo man this is dope but i couldn't hear you well enough" or "man that rap was tight but your quality of sound is all messed up" or "you got potential but you need to put more production into your raps" btw rapping while getting a haircut and walking around and in a cypher doesnt make you a rapper nor does it make you good... I think you need to let the people you claim love your rapping do the talking for you... you think real rappers get deals and fans by telling everyone how great they are. No they drop mixtapes and create a following so that someone big will hear them and bring them into the limelight... they may rap about how amazing they are but if they dont live up to that standard they will be disregarded
Anyone who doesn't like it simply doesn't appreciate and try to feel the fun of it. This is just for enjoyment. It's all for fun. Anyone feeling hate, I must tell you, It's coming from yourself.
Not from these raps.
Just watch em for enjoyment.
Go find something better to do then flame this. End of discussion really. Thanks for your time anyways though.
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On May 19 2011 17:01 Bacon-X wrote:
Anyone who doesn't like it simply doesn't appreciate and try to feel the fun of it. This is just for enjoyment. It's all for fun. Anyone feeling hate, I must tell you, It's coming from yourself.
Not from these raps.
Just watch em for enjoyment.
Go find something better to do then flame this. End of discussion really. Thanks for your time anyways though.
I don't think all the "hate" is directed at your music per se, but rather the way you've been conducting yourself throughout this thread - especially how you've treated the other posters in the thread.
You obviously enjoy what you're doing. There's nothing wrong with that. If you're proud of what you do you shouldn't care what other people doing.
Most of the real flak that you've been getting are from responses in the thread like:
+ Show Spoiler +"anyone who says its terrible obviously doesn't listen to rap music."
"All you haters who say it's bad don't even appreciate all the awesome lines i threw in there."
"I'm honestly convinced that anyone who flames me for making these rap videos is either
1. a troll (Most of them are this, I think)
2. someone who is against rap (for some of those really negative responses)
3. someone who is easily offended by cursing
4. someone stupid
These videos are dope. no doubt about it. if you like rap, and you're a rap listener, you will like my raps. "
"Your opinion on my rapping saying its not good is invalid until you show me you can rap better.
Then, after you prove to me you can rap better I'll listen to your advice. Because seriously, If you don't rap, you don't know therefore your opinion is meaningless. "
Nobody is "flaming you for making these rap videos". Nobody, as far as I can tell, has told you that you shouldn't be. They're just commenting that they don't enjoy what you do.
They are not trolls, against rap, easily offended by cursing, or stupid. They are people giving their actual judgments about what you presented to them.
To us, you seem like someone who's committed on the notion that what he has produced is "good", and has thrown away others opinions - calling them "trolls". Instead of brushing them off as people with "different musical tastes", or a simple "I can see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree", you indirectly insult everyone by assuming they're just a "troll", don't like rap, or are "stupid".
It seems that you think that no, educated person in their right mind (who isn't trolling, against rap, easily offended, or stupid) would not find your raps enjoyable. That, as you should be able to see, is plainly false. That, despite overwhelming evidence that at least some people do not enjoy your music, you continue to pretend that what you've done is the best thing ever.
This is not confidence. This is arrogance. And arrogance pisses people off.
I just want you to know that people are, at this point, less "flaming" your music as they are of your attitude and mindset that you've shown throughout this thread. Since about page 3, most of the "troll" posts have been people trying to break this arrogance that you've been showing.
I also notice you did not (at least yet) respond to the points I made in my last post. I'd be thankful if you could touch on those points, if you have the time 
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he is just trolling, leave him alone.
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think this one is better "They See Me Trolling They Hating"
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stop hatin on baconx this is great.
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Meh.
Your flow reminds me of Lil Wayne.
I thought the raps were ok...definitely not bad.
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you starcraft rap is tyt pls learn me how to learn that day and night because i be rappin twic a fourth night
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On May 19 2011 18:06 Thetan wrote:
Nobody is "flaming you for making these rap videos". Nobody, as far as I can tell, has told you that you shouldn't be. They're just commenting that they don't enjoy what you do.
They are not trolls, against rap, easily offended by cursing, or stupid. They are people giving their actual judgments about what you presented to them.
To us, you seem like someone who's committed on the notion that what he has produced is "good", and has thrown away others opinions - calling them "trolls".
Dude, It's very simple. I think its good. If you don't like it thats fine with me, doesn't bother me.
I don't throw away their opinions... I just completely disagree. There are obviously trolls on this thread if you read some of the posts.
Instead of brushing them off as people with "different musical tastes", or a simple "I can see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree", you indirectly insult everyone by assuming they're just a "troll", don't like rap, or are "stupid".
Naaah. If they have different musical taste I respect that. In all honesty I do, everyone is different I understand that. And yeah I have knowledge of rap and I believe anyone who says its "terrible" probably doesn't even like rap at all. I think all rap is good. I enjoy it. I already said that twice in this thread.
It seems that you think that no, educated person in their right mind (who isn't trolling, against rap, easily offended, or stupid) would not find your raps enjoyable.
No thats not true. You guys making up some really retarded crap about me. This is just not true.
That, as you should be able to see, is plainly false. That, despite overwhelming evidence that at least some people do not enjoy your music, you continue to pretend that what you've done is the best thing ever.
Yes!!! I combined StarCraft with Rapping. Of course I think its the best thing ever!!! Those are my 2 passions in life.
This is not confidence. This is arrogance. And arrogance pisses people off.
If it pisses you off that I like rap music and starcraft thats your problem. Keep that problem to yourself please.
I'm not arrogant. You don't know me bro. I'm open minded and a nice person overall.
I already said that in this thread before. People are just too quick to flame me...
I just want you to know that people are, at this point, less "flaming" your music as they are of your attitude and mindset that you've shown throughout this thread. Since about page 3, most of the "troll" posts have been people trying to break this arrogance that you've been showing.
break the arrogance I'm showing? What are you crazy? First of all, you're crazy if you think I'm gonna let anyone from the internet (who I don't know in real life) change me. That's so retarded.
So I hope you're not actually crazy and think that would really happen.
Again, I'm not arrogant. I'm doing this for fun, just dont hate it.
And if you do go find something else to do other then flame me.
I also notice you did not (at least yet) respond to the points I made in my last post. I'd be thankful if you could touch on those points, if you have the time
I just read your post. It was really dumb. I don't even know whats the point of you trying to communicate to me. These are just flame posts. Find something better to do other then flame someone's music.
My raps are tight. Haters are haters.
Just watch my response video over and over again until you get the point I was giving to all the haters in the video. I just don't care haha. Say what you like. I'm still gonna be myself and kick it and flow and have fun.
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Last response I'm gonna give.
Again, if I'm "flaming" anything, it isn't your music but rather your attitude. Many of the posts you consider "trolls" in the thread I think are clearly giving their actual, honest, sometimes constructive opinion - and that's not a good attitude.
"And yeah I have knowledge of rap and I believe anyone who says its "terrible" probably doesn't even like rap at all."
Again, you're implying that anyone that *doesn't* like your music doesn't actually enjoy rap, and that's insulting to the people that *do* like rap but *don't* like your music. Music is a personal thing - tastes differ widely from person to person, even within genres. If you seriously believe that *every* rap fan out that WILL enjoy your rap, that not *one* serious rap fan will think your work is "terrible"...that's not confidence dude. That's straight up arrogance.
And trust me. The quality of your work is not good enough to live up to such arrogance. I wouldn't call it bad - I would say what you've done is good for an amateur who does this as a hobby. But it's "terrible" compared to the works of artists like Tupac - and I (as well as most other rap fans) would be appalled if you disagreed with this.
My entire point has to been trying to show you that, up to this point, you've been an arrogant dick on the forums.
Arrogance: overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors.
You have pride in what you've done - but such pride has made you think that any "inferiors" that call your work "terrible" are below you, and should not be taken seriously. You call legitimate posts expressing their opinions "trolls" - indicating how you don't think their "inferior" claims are valid.
Again. Your actions in this thread are the *definition* of arrogance.
You're proud of what you've done - and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. There *is* something unsettling about how you've treated the other people in this thread. This isn't about your music - this is about how you treat community members that have responded to you.
I'm not trying to bring you down, I'm not trying to change who you are. I encourage you to continue what you're doing, continue doing what you enjoy. I'm just trying to tell you why you've pissed me (and others) off with how you've acted in this thread - and hope that you'll stop being such an ass on the forums.
And no, I am most definitely not gonna watch that disgustingly, meaninglessly hate-filled, misogynistic, homophobic "response video" again.
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Why is everyone trolling the OP? If he wants to rap and post it let him. Who cares? If you don't like it don't say anything.. :/
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ahaha, i laughed so hard about your answer-video to the haters
made my day
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OP. The trolls. Feed them moar.
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On May 20 2011 06:14 ReasoN- wrote:
ahaha, i laughed so hard about your answer-video to the haters
made my day
I'm glad to hear that haha.
Yup, I think its hilarious too. xD!
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On May 20 2011 06:14 BushidoSnipr wrote:
OP. The trolls. Feed them moar.
Yeah I want to stop.
The problem is that they insist they aren't really trolls so I try to give my serious response back to them.
I find some of these posts so retarded. They have no point or goal, they are just aimed at flaming me. These haters got nothing better to do or something.
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On May 20 2011 05:59 Thetan wrote:
Again, if I'm "flaming" anything, it isn't your music but rather your attitude.
Then why waste your time trying to flame my attitude knowing you can't hurt me. Lol.
Hahaha. I just realized, dude, you're actually trying to put me down. Well I'll let you know something. All you trolls who feed off of making other people sad have insecurities and problems. A person who is confident and happy with himself does not seek harm to others to make himself feel better. Why not? Because that person is already happy and confident with himself.
Knowing this, How could I let anyone put me down?
I don't.
I'm strong.
All the trolls on this thread have failed to even phase me. What u think I'm actually going to care and feel bad about myself because of your retarded posts. They are meaningless, no purpose behind them either? What are you trying to accomplish?
And thats what led to my realization that all you're trying to accomplish is trying to put me down.
Well this post sums it up. Learn from someone who is confident instead of hating on someone who is confident. Because that just shows how much of a pussy you are, scared to be confident???
I'm confident because thats the only way to live bro. You're alive, Might as well live to the fullest and enjoy life.
You can't say nothing back to this. I'm sure. You can try but.... You can just come back to this post and read this again a second time. Maybe then you'll realize it.
Again, you're implying that anyone that *doesn't* like your music doesn't actually enjoy rap, and that's insulting to the people that *do* like rap but *don't* like your music. Music is a personal thing - tastes differ widely from person to person, even within genres. If you seriously believe that *every* rap fan out that WILL enjoy your rap, that not *one* serious rap fan will think your work is "terrible"...that's not confidence dude. That's straight up arrogance.
Oh stop your whining and grow some balls. Worry about yourself instead then hating on others.
And trust me. The quality of your work is not good enough to live up to such arrogance. I wouldn't call it bad - I would say what you've done is good for an amateur who does this as a hobby. But it's "terrible" compared to the works of artists like Tupac - and I (as well as most other rap fans) would be appalled if you disagreed with this.
2pac is tight yo. All rap is tight. I think its hilarious how you're trying to compare a starcraft rap to 2pac.
My entire point has to been trying to show you that, up to this point, you've been an arrogant dick on the forums.
You realize. I could throw this right back at you. Just look at your attitude. Haha.
Just get over it already. Find something better to do. Go play some StarCraft.
Arrogance: overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors.
Yup, thats not me. The reason I'm such a cool person is that I believe we are all on the same level. All humans. This proves that you just don't know me and therefore can't say I'm something when I'm actually not lol. Noone is inferior to me, I'm just cool. I love everyone.
Those who hate me can go watch the response video. It's for them.
You have pride in what you've done - but such pride has made you think that any "inferiors" that call your work "terrible" are below you, and should not be taken seriously. You call legitimate posts expressing their opinions "trolls" - indicating how you don't think their "inferior" claims are valid.
Okay you're officially retarded.
Again. Your actions in this thread are the *definition* of arrogance.
What about your actions in this thread? They're retarded.
You're proud of what you've done - and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. There *is* something unsettling about how you've treated the other people in this thread. This isn't about your music - this is about how you treat community members that have responded to you.
Dude I love StarCraft, I love my music. I love this site. I love watching streams. I occasionally post on the forums. I don't hate anyone on here. Just go bother someone else man.
I'm not trying to bring you down, I'm not trying to change who you are. I encourage you to continue what you're doing, continue doing what you enjoy. I'm just trying to tell you why you've pissed me (and others) off with how you've acted in this thread - and hope that you'll stop being such an ass on the forums.
You obviously are a troll. You come up with stupid shit and claim it to be true.
I was never mean to anyone on this thread. Read the posts over.
And no, I am most definitely not gonna watch that disgustingly, meaninglessly hate-filled, misogynistic, homophobic "response video" again.
At least you watched it once haha. That should be good enough to deliver the message.
It's funny how you said Hate-filled, It's not. LOL.
You perceive things that aren't real buddy. How is it hate filled? It was all for humor.
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