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+ Show Spoiler +Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HJEk7.jpg) Q: Congrat on winning! Feelings? A: Very happy to be the 1st zerg player to take 2 GSL championship. Today matches went out the same as during practice, thus making me very excited. Q: You seemed to win easily. A: I am feeling distressed back then, because I kept on thinking whether to cheese on the 1st set or the 3rd set. In the end I felt that the 1st set is very important, and the result is good too. Opponent seemed to lose his flow due to the failure of 1st set. Q: How do you prepare against the new patch? A: When I play I do not feel an major difference. I feel there is not much change. Q: As of now, Team IM has never lose a final. A: MVP is a really great player. Basically, Mvp and I will never get nervous during a final. Ro32 or Ro16 might feel a little nervous. The higher we climb the more stable we get. Thus able to play out exactly like during practice. Q: To take the throne during the zerg darkest hour. As a leading zerg player, are you stress? A: Very stress but, this is also my motivation to work hard. If there is no such things happening I might turn lazy. Therefore on the contary, this has helped me greatly. Q: The difference of prize money between you and MC is only 500w thousand korea money. A: I can see the money ranking at GSL official webpage. When I was ranked #1 I thought I could slowly play, then MC caught up. This revelation shocked me, and it became my turning point to work hard. I hope within this year I could earn 2.5 billion korea money. Q: If you are in Super Tournament finals, who do you want to face? A: Mc or Mvp. Q: Give some vZ tips to other zerg players. A: I dont know what to say, basically you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand. Q: Last words? A: Finally taking another championship after 6 months. I feel these 6 month is awfully long. After taking the championship today I will not become overconfident nor will I turn lazy. Even as of now, I don't feel zerg is strong. Still, I will use next championship as my goal to work hard. Seed helped me alot, as though as it was his final. I greatly thank him. Mother is always supportive of me, thus giving me strength to keep on fighting. I thank my mother and my brother from my heart. My girlfriend's support helped me practice comfortably, I would like to use this opportunity to tell her I love her. Also, thank my fans for always supporting me. I will not let any of you down. I will perform even more exciting matches as a tribute for all of you. Also thank Coka-Cola company as IM team sponser.
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Bomber will dominate Nestea
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Yay! Gj with the interview.
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On May 15 2011 02:52 namedplayer wrote:
Bomber will dominate Nestea
What does that have to do with anything? Also, spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler + NesTea was great last night. Inca obviously opened DTs to try to prevent the Roach/Ling pressure that Zergs have been using but NesTea adapted easily and won every game with sick attacks.
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Nestea is the definition of a baller, great interview....all hail the god zerg!!
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I thank my mother and my brother from my heart. Girlfriend taking care of household is truely effective, I would like to use this opportunity to tell her I love her.
This man is a fucking boss.
God damn I love watching him stomp on nerds.
TY for the translation xD
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Q: If you are in Code A GSL Final, who do you want to face?
A: Mc or Mvp.
What does this mean?
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"Girlfriend taking care of household is truely effective."
The wording of that is rofl XD
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On May 15 2011 02:52 namedplayer wrote:
Bomber will dominate Nestea
I have big hopes about Bomber,this guy is obviously beast of all match ups!
in Bomber we trust!
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GIRLFRIEND uses CLEAN!
It's super effective!
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On May 15 2011 03:00 Mirl wrote:I have big hopes about Bomber,this guy is obviously beast of all match ups! in Bomber we trust!
yeah bomber is not related to this thread... but i also want to support for Bomber
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thanks for the interview, nice read. Nestea seems like such a friendly chap!
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Thanks for the interview!
Thanks Nestea for sponsoring Nestea.
What Nestea really means to say:
YES WE GET TO DRINK FREE NESTEA ALL DAY!!!
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"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments
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On May 15 2011 02:51 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I hope within this year I could earn 2.5 billion korea money.
2.5billion won?
Thats ~1,6m euro.
..what the fuck?
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Q: Give some vZ tips to other zerg players.
A: I dont know what to say, basically you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand.
Hahaha, I love this.
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On May 15 2011 02:57 Navillus wrote:What does this mean?
At the time i read this interview, i had the impression it was translated by some tool (especially because the money thing). Sorry if i am wrong ^^. Probably meaning another Code S finals or the Superchampion thing.
Thanks in any way. Was understandable  GJ
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Sorry, I do not noe how 2 translate money value. Because I translate from chinese source and chinese do not use multiplier of x3 x6 x9 in their money. So I have many troubles.
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On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments
Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos.
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To all those people who makes posts about being nervous to ladder and stressed about losing:
Q: Give some vZ tips to other zerg players.
A: I dont know what to say, basically you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand.
You have to lose to understand this game. It's necessary. Words from the wise GSL champion. :-)
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Q: How do you prepare against the new patch?
that made me laugh xD
and he deserves the korea money!
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On May 15 2011 03:12 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 02:57 Navillus wrote:Q: If you are in Code A GSL Final, who do you want to face?
A: Mc or Mvp. What does this mean? At the time i read this interview, i had the impression it was translated by some tool (especially because the money thing). Sorry if i am wrong ^^. Probably meaning another Code S finals or the Superchampion thing. Thanks in any way. Was understandable GJ
Sorry, I translate fast today, so my english is bit bad than previously.
Anyway I translate from this question
Q：要是在超级联赛晋级决赛的话你希望和谁交手?
A：我想和Mvp或MC打决赛。
If u wan me to do direct translation, it would be
Q: If you are in Super League Advancement Final, who do you want to face against?
A: I want to face against Mvp or MC in the Final
I am pretty sure Super League Advancement Final is Code A GSL.
And the money value is wrong sorry.
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Xiao- would it be the upcoming GSL super tournament perhaps? Thanks for the great translation!
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On May 15 2011 03:14 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Sorry, I do not noe how 2 translate money value. Because I translate from chinese source and chinese do not use multiplier of x3 x6 x9 in their money. So I have many troubles.
no problem, thank you for the translation :p
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On May 15 2011 03:21 Speny wrote:Xiao- would it be the upcoming GSL super tournament perhaps? Thanks for the great translation!
Aha maybe, sorry I dont know about this. All I know is Code S and Code A ahaha.
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No worries man, it is a tournament made up of the top (32 or 64 players, I forget which lol) in terms of GSL ranking points. Really cool cause some Code A guys who could easily be in Code S will have the chance to compete against top talent. Thanks again!
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On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos.
Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say:
"...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."
Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race.
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On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race.
What he's saying is that Nestea outplayed Inca so badly that you can't say wich race is strong or not based on those results since one player was so dominant.
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On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race.
How about, dont rush DTs and get some sentries? He rushed DTs, Nestea was ready for it. Did that 3 games in a row...
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I'm so glad that Nestea won. He's such a good player and deserved to win another championship.
I recently switched races from zerg to terran but Nestea is still one of my favorite players.
Too bad that we couln't see Nada vs Nestea in the finals though. I'm pretty sure that would have been a much closer and more exiting final (but I think Nestea would have won anyways).
By the way: Why is everyone talking about "Zerg's darkest hour" all the time?
Seems like it has been their darkest hour since GSL season 1... it was probably true around that time, but right now I feel that Zerg are stronger than ever before.
I'm not saying that there are no problems at all with the game but its definitely not their darkest hour.
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On May 15 2011 03:42 NeonFox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. What he's saying is that Nestea outplayed Inca so badly that you can't say wich race is strong or not based on those results since one player was so dominant.
I would agree that this game says absolutely nothing about balance, but zergs have been doing really well in zvp recently, Ive heard quite a few P pros say zvp is their hardest matchup now and ive heard zergs like vibe say zvp is probably their easiest matchup now. So i would say its pretty balanced even though currently zerg is doing better in zvp if you look at statistics for major tournaments in the past 1 1/2 months zerg will be 3-5% percent ahead of protoss. Also NASL statistics show them to be about 5% ahead last time i checked.
I think a few months ago it was really bad for zergs, but they are starting to understand their race better and the tables are turning, no one can deny the success zergs have been having against protoss recently.
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Nestea telling it like a boss.
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Nestea is far more delicious to drink
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It's hilarious that people still think Zerg is severely underpowered, enough so that every single time they win something, the interview will always contain something about "Zerg weakness" or in this case "Zerg's darkest hour."
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On May 15 2011 03:19 XiaoJoyce- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:12 HolydaKing wrote:On May 15 2011 02:57 Navillus wrote:Q: If you are in Code A GSL Final, who do you want to face?
A: Mc or Mvp. What does this mean? At the time i read this interview, i had the impression it was translated by some tool (especially because the money thing). Sorry if i am wrong ^^. Probably meaning another Code S finals or the Superchampion thing. Thanks in any way. Was understandable GJ Sorry, I translate fast today, so my english is bit bad than previously. Anyway I translate from this question Q：要是在超级联赛晋级决赛的话你希望和谁交手? A：我想和Mvp或MC打决赛。 If u wan me to do direct translation, it would be Q: If you are in Super League Advancement Final, who do you want to face against? A: I want to face against Mvp or MC in the Final I am pretty sure Super League Advancement Final is Code A GSL. And the money value is wrong sorry.
It's the super tournament I think (the big code A + code S 64 man GSL open format that comes soon)
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Q: To take the throne during the zerg darkest hour. As a leading zerg player, are you stress?
wtf?
not too much information this interview
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it is always zergs darkest hour :D
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Go Nestea! Anyone know what how he cheesed first game?
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On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race.
Inca reached dt tech before those timing attacks..... but it would have been impossible to reach collossus tech?
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Awesome! Thanks for the interview. Congrats to Nestea for winning another GSL!!
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the games were absolutely terrible by InCa, GSL finals make me sad, the only good season was season 2 with NesTea vs MKP the rest have the finals curse
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On May 15 2011 03:02 annul wrote:
GIRLFRIEND uses CLEAN!
It's super effective!
haha, nice interview though
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LOL does anyone else feel like it is ALWAYS "Zerg's darkest hour". Not trying to start a balance discussion or take anything away from NesTea (he played amazing) I just think its funny.
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It's Zerg's darkest hour? Why, are they blocking out the sun with all their tournament trophies?
Nice interview!
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Nestea is such a baller, he single handedly ended the reign of the Eunjung blessing with such decisive victories.
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On May 15 2011 06:18 Paradice wrote:It's Zerg's darkest hour? Why, are they blocking out the sun with all their tournament trophies? Nice interview!
What trophies? Zergs have been doing badly since gsl s2. Look at tsl, mlg dallas, iem and all the other gsls. Barely any zergs in top 8.
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Talk about free advertisement for "nestea" lol
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On May 15 2011 06:24 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 06:18 Paradice wrote:It's Zerg's darkest hour? Why, are they blocking out the sun with all their tournament trophies? Nice interview! What trophies? Zergs have been doing badly since gsl s2. Look at tsl, mlg dallas, iem and all the other gsls. Barely any zergs in top 8.
Zerg has been in the finals in the two most recent GSLs (one of them being a win); Zerg won Code A last GSL; ZvZ finals in Assembly; Zerg got second in IEM (no Terrans made it through groupstage, 4Z and 2P); Zerg won IPL; 3 Zergs in Ro8 of StarsWar despite there being no Terrans. Don't act like Zerg hasn't won anything.
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On May 15 2011 03:51 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. How about, dont rush DTs and get some sentries? He rushed DTs, Nestea was ready for it. Did that 3 games in a row...
I think the only reason Inca bothered to DT rush all the games is because DTs hard counter the roach/ling aggression.
If he 3gate expoed every game and Nestea went roach/ling, Nestea would've won every time.
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Nesteaaa 2x GSL Champ up there with MC. Now terran needs to step it up 
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Getting so sick of Nestea's responses. He's 17-3 against some of the best protoss' in the world lately and he still says zerg dont feel strong. Its such an annoying perspective when the good zerg players post awesome results with insane win ratios. This entire season zerg has posted better results vP than PvZ. Nestea's a great player, but I seriously wish he would put a lid on all his ridiculous balance comments
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A: I dont know what to say, basically you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand.
Truer words have never been spoken.
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On May 15 2011 06:52 Jayrod wrote:
Getting so sick of Nestea's responses. He's 17-3 against some of the best protoss' in the world lately and he still says zerg dont feel strong. Its such an annoying perspective when the good zerg players post awesome results with insane win ratios. This entire season zerg has posted better results vP than PvZ. Nestea's a great player, but I seriously wish he would put a lid on all his ridiculous balance comments
Ehh I don't know about you but if what Nestea and Losira showed this season is the future of PvZ then imo it's still an extremely terrible matchup. Zergs still haven't really found an answer to toss late game they have just found a bunch of new timings to kill protoss players before they get to that late game. Once/If Toss finds an answer to these new timings it will just revert right back to what it was before.
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On May 15 2011 08:07 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 06:52 Jayrod wrote:
Getting so sick of Nestea's responses. He's 17-3 against some of the best protoss' in the world lately and he still says zerg dont feel strong. Its such an annoying perspective when the good zerg players post awesome results with insane win ratios. This entire season zerg has posted better results vP than PvZ. Nestea's a great player, but I seriously wish he would put a lid on all his ridiculous balance comments Ehh I don't know about you but if what Nestea and Losira showed this season is the future of PvZ then imo it's still an extremely terrible matchup. Zergs still haven't really found an answer to toss late game they have just found a bunch of new timings to kill protoss players before they get to that late game. Once/If Toss finds an answer to these new timings it will just revert right back to what it was before.
nope, zergs have been doing a lot of crazy shit in the mid and lategame and have been having pretty good success with it.
basically zergs all realized that hive tech and infestors were the key to beating the deathball and then figured out their own ways to get those without dying. we'll see what happens if tosses switch to immortal/ht because that's a pretty brutal composition which we haven't seen much of, it might swing back into toss favour or it might not.
also, roach/ling isn't necessarily allin, so it's not like the earlygame of the matchup would become the only part which gets played if roach/ling becomes standard.
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On May 15 2011 05:26 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. Inca reached dt tech before those timing attacks..... but it would have been impossible to reach collossus tech?
Your homework for today: Compare dt buildtime to colossus buildtime.
Hint:
+ Show Spoiler +You can have a good amount of dts 5 seconds after dark shrine finished. You cant do this with colossi.
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On May 15 2011 06:46 I)etox wrote:Nesteaaa 2x GSL Champ up there with MC. Now terran needs to step it up
Did you miss MVP winning 2 GSLs?
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Nestea is boss Zerg, I love him! <3
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On May 15 2011 06:39 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:51 L3gendary wrote:On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. How about, dont rush DTs and get some sentries? He rushed DTs, Nestea was ready for it. Did that 3 games in a row... I think the only reason Inca bothered to DT rush all the games is because DTs hard counter the roach/ling aggression. If he 3gate expoed every game and Nestea went roach/ling, Nestea would've won every time.
That's a great assumption, seeing as 3 gate sentry expand is probably the safest thing you can do against roach ling. He never did one properly so he lost. Even the first game he went for hallu phoenix and used up 4 ff worth of energy just before nestea attacked, not to mention the cost to research it and chronoboosts wasted. And I dont think you realize how much of a setback the dt tech was.
edit: If was using dts to counter roach ling then why didn't he? Instead he tried to kill Nestea with them. A stargate - voidray build would've been a cheaper and more effective counter if that's wat he wanted to do.
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On May 15 2011 08:51 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 06:39 K3Nyy wrote:On May 15 2011 03:51 L3gendary wrote:On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. How about, dont rush DTs and get some sentries? He rushed DTs, Nestea was ready for it. Did that 3 games in a row... I think the only reason Inca bothered to DT rush all the games is because DTs hard counter the roach/ling aggression. If he 3gate expoed every game and Nestea went roach/ling, Nestea would've won every time. That's a great assumption, seeing as 3 gate sentry expand is probably the safest thing you can do against roach ling. He never did one properly so he lost. Even the first game he went for hallu phoenix and used up 4 ff worth of energy just before nestea attacked, not to mention the cost to research it and chronoboosts wasted. And I dont think you realize how much of a setback the dt tech was. edit: If was using dts to counter roach ling then why didn't he? Instead he tried to kill Nestea with them. A stargate - voidray build would've been a cheaper and more effective counter if that's wat he wanted to do.
No 3gate sentry expand is not safe vs roach/ling. If you build mass sentries, you'd have nothing to kill the roaches. DT builds hard counter roach/ling allin (the one that hits around when the Nexus is complete) but Nestea didn't do that.
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On May 15 2011 09:51 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 08:51 L3gendary wrote:On May 15 2011 06:39 K3Nyy wrote:On May 15 2011 03:51 L3gendary wrote:On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. How about, dont rush DTs and get some sentries? He rushed DTs, Nestea was ready for it. Did that 3 games in a row... I think the only reason Inca bothered to DT rush all the games is because DTs hard counter the roach/ling aggression. If he 3gate expoed every game and Nestea went roach/ling, Nestea would've won every time. That's a great assumption, seeing as 3 gate sentry expand is probably the safest thing you can do against roach ling. He never did one properly so he lost. Even the first game he went for hallu phoenix and used up 4 ff worth of energy just before nestea attacked, not to mention the cost to research it and chronoboosts wasted. And I dont think you realize how much of a setback the dt tech was. edit: If was using dts to counter roach ling then why didn't he? Instead he tried to kill Nestea with them. A stargate - voidray build would've been a cheaper and more effective counter if that's wat he wanted to do. No 3gate sentry expand is not safe vs roach/ling. If you build mass sentries, you'd have nothing to kill the roaches. DT builds hard counter roach/ling allin (the one that hits around when the Nexus is complete) but Nestea didn't do that.
That's why you make a forge when you expand or get a stargate. No need for dts.
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On May 15 2011 08:17 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 08:07 JJH777 wrote:On May 15 2011 06:52 Jayrod wrote:
Getting so sick of Nestea's responses. He's 17-3 against some of the best protoss' in the world lately and he still says zerg dont feel strong. Its such an annoying perspective when the good zerg players post awesome results with insane win ratios. This entire season zerg has posted better results vP than PvZ. Nestea's a great player, but I seriously wish he would put a lid on all his ridiculous balance comments Ehh I don't know about you but if what Nestea and Losira showed this season is the future of PvZ then imo it's still an extremely terrible matchup. Zergs still haven't really found an answer to toss late game they have just found a bunch of new timings to kill protoss players before they get to that late game. Once/If Toss finds an answer to these new timings it will just revert right back to what it was before. nope, zergs have been doing a lot of crazy shit in the mid and lategame and have been having pretty good success with it. basically zergs all realized that hive tech and infestors were the key to beating the deathball and then figured out their own ways to get those without dying. we'll see what happens if tosses switch to immortal/ht because that's a pretty brutal composition which we haven't seen much of, it might swing back into toss favour or it might not. also, roach/ling isn't necessarily allin, so it's not like the earlygame of the matchup would become the only part which gets played if roach/ling becomes standard.
Umm no they really haven't. Mondragon lost to Cruncher with the new agressive mass drop style. IdrA barely beat kiwikaki who he is far superior to. In fact I can't remember every game but at least 2 of IdrA's wins were these roach/ling timings. When Losira tried out a new infestor style vs Genius he ended up getting completely rolled. Nestea played 8 games against protoss this season. Only one truly went past the mid game and he was way ahead due to anypro going double stargate. Leenock lost against some unknown protoss player in code a. Overall protoss are still dominating games that aren't decided by a zerg timing rush.
It's pretty all-in. When/If protoss find a way to shut them down without losing too much then the zerg will definitely be way behind.
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Is this english...
Just being real man, but If he was speaking english and he wasn't doing it correctly put it in quotations or you sound like a 6th grader.
Thanks for the interview, but i know for a fact that this wasn't said.
Q: To take the throne during the zerg darkest hour. As a leading zerg player, are you stress?
A: Very stress but, this is also my motivation to work hard. If there is no such things happening I might turn lazy. Therefore on the contary, this has helped me greatly.
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Most likely it's actually 250 million won. Chinese has a new word for 100million so that would make more sense. I'm not surprised if you got it wrong though because it's different than most other languages.
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On May 15 2011 15:40 toson1 wrote:
Is this english...
Just being real man, but If he was speaking english and he wasn't doing it correctly put it in quotations or you sound like a 6th grader.
Thanks for the interview, but i know for a fact that this wasn't said.
Q: To take the throne during the zerg darkest hour. As a leading zerg player, are you stress?
A: Very stress but, this is also my motivation to work hard. If there is no such things happening I might turn lazy. Therefore on the contary, this has helped me greatly.
This was a interview done in korean and someone on the forum was nice enough to try to translate it for us...
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On May 15 2011 15:40 toson1 wrote:
Is this english...
Just being real man, but If he was speaking english and he wasn't doing it correctly put it in quotations or you sound like a 6th grader.
Thanks for the interview, but i know for a fact that this wasn't said.
Q: To take the throne during the zerg darkest hour. As a leading zerg player, are you stress?
A: Very stress but, this is also my motivation to work hard. If there is no such things happening I might turn lazy. Therefore on the contary, this has helped me greatly.
Apart from the grammatical issues with the translation, I can vouch that based on the Chinese translation of the Korean interview (which I think the OP was using), the essence of the question and the answer is what was said.
And to the guy 2 posts above me, yea I think it's 250million won too
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Haha, zerg darkest hour when they win the biggest league in the world. I wonder what will happen when zerg is in its brightest hour?
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On May 15 2011 03:17 Aterons_toss wrote:
Zerg darkest what ?
Yea, I think we need to start letting go of this idea.
No not because a Zerg just 4-0'd a Toss in the finals, that's irrelevant. But recent tournament results, ladder winrates, individual quotes and even a few statistical references all seem to point toward Zerg is slowly, but surely, rising from the ashes.
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On May 15 2011 09:54 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 09:51 K3Nyy wrote:On May 15 2011 08:51 L3gendary wrote:On May 15 2011 06:39 K3Nyy wrote:On May 15 2011 03:51 L3gendary wrote:On May 15 2011 03:30 Belha wrote:On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos. Wtf. Have you seriuosly watched the finals? Are you bronze or Silver? In that case its ok. If not, how the fu... can Inca reach collosi before those timming attacks?? Nestea outplayed Inca badly, but still proves that Z is an amazing race to play....if you play it correctly. As he say: "...you have to lose alot in order to know it. If you lose alot, slowly you will understand."Wise words. Some Z´s must stop qq'ing a bit, and start to understand their race. How about, dont rush DTs and get some sentries? He rushed DTs, Nestea was ready for it. Did that 3 games in a row... I think the only reason Inca bothered to DT rush all the games is because DTs hard counter the roach/ling aggression. If he 3gate expoed every game and Nestea went roach/ling, Nestea would've won every time. That's a great assumption, seeing as 3 gate sentry expand is probably the safest thing you can do against roach ling. He never did one properly so he lost. Even the first game he went for hallu phoenix and used up 4 ff worth of energy just before nestea attacked, not to mention the cost to research it and chronoboosts wasted. And I dont think you realize how much of a setback the dt tech was. edit: If was using dts to counter roach ling then why didn't he? Instead he tried to kill Nestea with them. A stargate - voidray build would've been a cheaper and more effective counter if that's wat he wanted to do. No 3gate sentry expand is not safe vs roach/ling. If you build mass sentries, you'd have nothing to kill the roaches. DT builds hard counter roach/ling allin (the one that hits around when the Nexus is complete) but Nestea didn't do that. That's why you make a forge when you expand or get a stargate. No need for dts.
& then you're economically behind if the Zergs made 2 lings at that point.. as it's going to be a while before you can apply any decent pressure with that sort of build.
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Baller NesTea wants to face MC or MvP, koolkid
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On May 15 2011 03:15 BandonBanshee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 03:09 proxima_ wrote:
"Nestea winning during zerg darkest hour making it even more exciting!"
this is definitely not zerg's darkest hour - see GSL season 1.
as time goes on it's pretty obvious that zerg is not only capable of competing with the other races but also capable of winning plenty of tournaments Lets be honest this finals showed us nothing of the current state of the game. All it showed us was that if u do the same build 3 games in a row you will get stomped. Inca never even made a colos.
To be fair to Inca he did make 1 colossus in the last game, unfortunately he killed it himself somehow.
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having a strong early game and the threat of the timing attack is really huge for the metagame, i think pvz was oversimplified for protoss for the last few months because of the lack of non-6pool zerg timing attacks and overall macro style. the less builds zerg use, the more close protoss gets to the 'best' build that overall counters zerg. if zerg could be 100% sure protoss would either timing attack or macro they could win almost every game, the problem before is zerg having to win by econ using safe builds while every build for protoss is safe. now were closer to balance where both sides can win with timings or macro. zerg still has trouble at 200/200 but thats because their 200 army costs less than protoss, if you actually have zero roaches or lings at 200 and equal or less drones than protoss has probes you have a good chance of being as strong as protoss. if you want to use lings/roaches or make more drones than protoss has probes your gonna have to timing push before 200 to make real use of your army.
also dt is better than colossus for stopping roach/ling all in, colossus is too slow, starport doesnt have enough raw dps vs those types of units. if you make like 6-8sentries/2-3 cannons then tech for colossus safely zerg can fully saturate its third before your third is finished being made. i definately dont think the matchup is zerg favored (i think its very p favored at low lvls and slightly p favored at high levels), but the only impossible scenario for zerg involves being at 200 with roaches/lings/too many drones and a overall weak army, the rest can be handled with scouting/intuition and using good offensive timings.
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lol @ the ppl hopping from one thread to the next saying "zerg is still gimp, that final doesn't mean anything!"..
especially as the very same bunch of people probably used the "protoss is imba, look at the tournament wins in the last months!" argument as well.
hypocritical scrubs ftw.
nestea is an amazing player, but the fact that he performs so well with zerg shows that tournament balance is fine. zerg has some weaknesses, but good players can press the issue and nullify the weaknesses.
the WUM "zerg darkest hour" quote is rubbish, not sure where that's come from... people were saying the same last year and then zerg dominated the GSL's... protoss are not rolling over zerg with deathball anymore, and terran seem to lose every game against zerg unless the player runs his entire ling/bling/roach army into too many siege tanks. which is even worse than a terran running his army into too many banelings.
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Someone who speaks Korean, please take our comments to a site where NesTea can read them and tell him we all love him very much and he's a badass pro-player who not only playes good but innovates and never gives up: True signs of a great player.
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