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I have had it confirmed by three sources, all of which were adamant that they go unnamed, that MLG Columbus would have participants from South Korea. Each of the sources were either close to or affiliated with the Major League Gaming organization. While details are still scarce, I have been told that official news from MLG about who in particular will be attending will be released by the end of this weekend.
The Major League Gaming circuit was already considered by many to be America’s shining star when it came to ‘offline’ Starcraft events. It would seem that now, with the South Korean attendees confirmed, that the international community realizes its merit as a first class competition. While I’m almost certain Korean players would have always loved to participate in the MLG events, Columbus marks the first time that they actually have. This means that the MLG tournaments are now considered either lucrative or prestigious enough by the South Korean teams to warrant the travel expenses from overseas. While that might not seem like a big admission, I assure you it is. I know that American teams currently spend between $800 and $1,000 per player to get them to the larger domestic tournaments; I can only imagine it would be at least two or three times that per player that comes from Korea.
Major League Gaming CEO Sundance DiGiovanni has stated on numerous occasions that he thought 2011 would be a standout year for the company, and it would seem like he is a man of his word. This is significant news. Korean players participating in the tournaments is a big step forward for both the company and the competitive scene. Often the community asks how the Americans, Europeans, and Koreans stack up against one another, and now we’ll have a event every two months that we can cite in our region-to-skill based arguments.
It will be interesting to see what this does to the MLG Bracket. If one takes a second and reflects on the IEM World Finals in Hanover from earlier this year, we might be inclined to think that the Koreans will blow through the foreign competition without a problem. After all, at IEM we saw two relatively unknown Korean players do work against some of the most well known and respected foreigners in the world. Then again, the Koreans didn’t do as well as I was expecting them to do in the TSL. Thorzain even managed to drop oGsMC when they both played from the same region.
As details come in, I’ll be sure to post updates. I’ve had a difficult time trying to get confirmations on the players that will be in attendance, but it’s something that I’m working on.
Source: http://www.sixjaxgaming.com/wp/scii/2011/05/12/mlg-columbus-to-feature-korean-participants/
Soo stoked for Columbus!
EDIT: ![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/m/854/7086/streamu.jpg)
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Wow that's awesome. Helps improve the prestige of MLG tournaments even more, and we now get to see some foreign vs korean games whose validity isn't undermined by latency issues.
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Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on
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Amazing news. This makes MLG Columbus way more enjoyable in my eyes(probably wouldn't have even watched live before this news).
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Be interesting to see how many do come over since it is right in the middle of the super tournament and they'd have to deal with jetlag for the matches. Exciting stuff nonetheless. Would love to see some IM players in there!
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On May 12 2011 13:40 SweetAs wrote:
Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on
GSL made openings for MLG
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Good news, to me at least. I've always disagreed with the view that foreigners need to be coddled and that foreign tournaments should be foreigner exclusive. Not only does it make the competition more interesting but it simply raises the skill bar for everyone involved. Being a foreigner should not be an excuse to lose to a Korean. Its unarguable that MLG wins will simply mean that much more now.
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If you saw Sundance's last Tweet you'd also be expecting this also, I'm so pumped for columbus :D
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On May 12 2011 8:45 MLGSundace wrote:
MLG and GSL. Hmmmm. This could be cool.
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Doubt we'll see top Koreans there though with the GSL Super Tournament in the way. If anything, some teams will just send their middling non-GSL players, much like what happened in IEM. Besides, the prize money for the tournament is tiny when you take into account the expenses... If you don't get top 3, you're going to lose a ton of money.
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On May 12 2011 13:42 sickoota wrote:
Good news, to me at least. I've always disagreed with the view that foreigners need to be coddled and that foreign tournaments should be foreigner exclusive. Not only does it make the competition more interesting but it simply raises the skill bar for everyone involved. Being a foreigner should not be an excuse to lose to a Korean. Its unarguable that MLG wins will simply mean that much more now.
This is actually what I've always agreed with. I believe that NA pros have the potential and skill to beat Koreans, but they have to play them in order to prove that.
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lols cant wait to watch bitbybitprime play against idra
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On May 12 2011 13:44 Powerfoe wrote:
Doubt we'll see top Koreans there though with the GSL Super Tournament in the way. If anything, some teams will just send their middling non-GSL players, much like what happened in IEM. Besides, the prize money for the tournament is tiny when you take into account the expenses... If you don't get top 3, you're going to lose a ton of money.
Sometimes team sponsors help pay for expenses, etc.
Plus, its good "tourney experience" practice to get jitters out etc 
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Lol goodbye american players
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Oh man the Koreans are coming on over here, time to really see if what they say about lag is true ^^
MLG gettin' serious!!
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This is so awesome. I wondered what the tweet about MLG and GSL was about, and now I know. I can't wait to see the power of Koreans at an American LAN! I just wish they had come to Dallas, haha.
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Idc if they roll us bring em over!
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Finally we get to see Naniwa take on some Koreans :0
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On May 12 2011 13:41 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 13:40 SweetAs wrote:
Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on GSL made openings for MLG
Lol, they are taking the weekend off. I'm sure the Koreans will want to fly all the way to America miss out on practice time, get tired as hell then travel all the way back to participate in a much bigger tournament. Seems logical to me.
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2011 is really a standout year for MLG so far ... NOT
Anyway would be happy to see Koreans participate.
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Considering that MLG occurs over the weekend, it might not make a huge impact over GSL schedules besides jet lag.
great news though, hoping for great games
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will be interesting to see who goes
will say a lot of about which team sponsors see value in SC2 e-sports and and are willing to expand beyond just South Korea
MLG Columbus payout structure certainly isn't good enough to risk the cost of flight & room and board
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By the time MLG columbus rolls around many of the koreans will already be eliminated from the super tournament. And you can bet there will be some top level players that get eliminated early (there are always upsets in every tournament). So there will likely be atleast a few top tier korean players.
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My picks (MC,Nestea or MVP, July Zerg, MKP) or (July Zerg, Nada, Slayersboxer, MC)
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This is exactly what i want. Koreans, Americans and Europeans without the lag factor (beyond that which Bnet kindly gives us by default).
So excited.
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More of this please.
Also i'm interested in how they all go in the MLG format. If we assume open bracket like Naniwa's win, then they have to go through a crazy amount of games to win, which is super awesome. GSL you don't get a hell of a lot of games, and the preparation factor is another neat difference between MLG and GSL which could be hugely important.
I really feel this is the optimal format for a big money SC2 event.
IM SO EXCITED TASTELESS.
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I really, really hope that MLG will have the required infrastructure in place for their streaming this time. It's only going to be worse than the last with Korean participants. Please Sundance, account for enough viewers!
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On May 12 2011 13:58 Defeat wrote:
Finally we get to see Naniwa take on some Koreans :0
I really feel strongly that he may be headed to Korea soon. I hope this will draw some strong Korean players over. I'm not certain what to expect though, since it would cost more to come over than the reward for winning the tournament.
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That sounds awesome, can't wait to watch MLG Columbus!!!!!
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I hope Ace has a chance to make it over.
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I feel like someone said on SotG or something that at least 2 koreans were going to MLG? I dunnu maybe its just in my imagination, I've been studying all day -_-
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Its gonna be a good old good one in Columbus! Really hope to see an incredible group of talent!
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Anyone else think it's going to be like IEM? Top 3 people are koreans(or was it 2, don't remember)
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On May 12 2011 14:11 Nexic wrote:
I feel like someone said on SotG or something that at least 2 koreans were going to MLG? I dunnu maybe its just in my imagination, I've been studying all day -_-
Sundance confirmed 4 koreans and tastosis.
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IM needs to get a damn sponsor and send their superstars abroad
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As much as I want to take credit for this fantastic scoop (which I originally thought I had), it's worth noting that Sundance DiGiovanni tweeted about this a week ago.
I had missed it, and I guess a lot of us had, but it was already out there for those who managed to catch it.
Twitter link: http://twitter.com/#!/MLG_Sundance/status/66466392462991360
He responds to someone asking about Korean players at Columbus in the link above.
Edit: I want to give credit to both Chobopeon and Adebisi for humbling me with this twitter link shortly after I posted the article.
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Fingers crossed that we won't have Dallas issues springing up.
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I hope MLG can get their shit together... With all this attention they need to show they can be taken seriously. For the good of Esports! GOGO MLG
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On May 12 2011 14:13 evoli wrote:As much as I want to take credit for this fantastic scoop (which I originally thought I had), it's worth noting that Sundance DiGiovanni tweeted about this a week ago. I had missed it, and I guess a lot of us had, but it was already out there for those who managed to catch it. Twitter link: http://twitter.com/#!/MLG_Sundance/status/66466392462991360He responds to someone asking about Korean players at Columbus in the link above. Edit: I want to give credit to both Chobopeon and Adebisi for humbling me with this twitter link shortly after I posted the article.
Sundance later tweeted and confirmed Tastosis at Columbus and 4 special guests from Asia, Which i would assume the korean pro players.
http://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance/status/66539653297217536
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Really looking forward to this event. It will be great to see some NA v Korea v Europe matches.
Even tables!
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My level of excitement depends on who it is... if they're top stars like MVP then this is great. If it's someone from Code A or something it'll still be great but be less exciting IMO...we have NASL if we want to see middle-tier Koreans play foreigners.
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does anyone else feel that some Europeans play in a Korean play style? example, naniwa?
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On May 12 2011 14:11 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 14:11 Nexic wrote:
I feel like someone said on SotG or something that at least 2 koreans were going to MLG? I dunnu maybe its just in my imagination, I've been studying all day -_- Sundance confirmed 4 koreans and tastosis.
Is there a link that goes with this statement?
Because that would be AMAZING.
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This just makes mlg's seeding system even worse.
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what does that mean? koreans are gonna be seeded? or have to do same thing that Naniwa did last MLG?
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if it costs so much to send a player from korea to the US, i dont think it would be profitable, unless mlg increases their prize pool a lil more - cuz i honestly dont see a good reason to send multiple players from a team, it may make sense to send the best player from a team since they ahve good chance to win the top prize and make a profit so to speak
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On May 12 2011 13:39 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Wow that's awesome. Helps improve the prestige of MLG tournaments even more, and we now get to see some foreign vs korean games whose validity isn't undermined by latency issues.
Agreed. Foreigners vs Koreans where lag isn't an issue are few and far between. We need more information on this subject to have some evidence to say whos better atm.
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I hope someone tells them not to drink all the free Dr Pepper. People at their first MLG tend to overload on free soda then have a sugar crash while they play lol.
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Was really hoping that some of the strong strong foreigners could just walk over the competition at Columbus. but with many other tip top competitors coming from Korea might bring some really good competition. Will be nice to see a more US based clash of styles at Columbus, as it seems most foreigners who go to Korea fall into dominant Korean styles. Time to see how the Koreans fare against the US players and styles without the latency cop out (although i'm sure it's every bit as detrimental and it's said to be)
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I think it's gonna be either Code B players like IEM or those eliminated from the Super Tournament, since top players wouldn't gamble on jet lag and less practice time before any Super Tournament match. Players could be out of the tournament with just 2 matches, so no one would risk flying back and forth.
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calling it right now ... Idra upsets a Korean in the finals
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We should all remember that Maka, Genius, Boxer, Fruitdealer, TLO, and Loner were at Blizzcon in the middle of GSL Open 2. I'm sure there's scheduling they can work out if any of them are indeed going to be super tournament participants.
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Whos ready for a top 4 korean finish?
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Having koreans playing on equal footing (LAN) will be really interesting. In a lot of the cross-server games it looks like they're really struggling to deal with the latency/time difference.
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MLG definitely needs to up the prize pool or else the international players aren't likely to keep going to their events. The sooner, the better.
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On May 12 2011 14:20 backtoback wrote:
does anyone else feel that some Europeans play in a Korean play style? example, naniwa?
If the Korean style is winning, then yes.
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On May 12 2011 14:50 ShooTouts wrote:
calling it right now ... Idra upsets a Korean in the finals
you mean just like GSL?
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well standard
slog select and moonan
tadaaa
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On May 12 2011 15:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
well standard
slog select and moonan
tadaaa
Not to derail the thread any but how long as Select been in the U.S.? Was he playing enough SC2/BW in Korea to really be counted as a Korean in the SC sense? Because if he started playing in the US I don't think it's quite the same thing.
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Isn't the HD Stream free this next MLG too? Talk about lucking out :D
Im going to Cross my fingers that Zenio or MVP goes to MLG and gets matched up against IdrA.
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On May 12 2011 15:03 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 14:50 ShooTouts wrote:
calling it right now ... Idra upsets a Korean in the finals
you mean just like GSL?
little different where all your opponents are korean in GSL and only 1 in MLG.
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it's probably going to be someone like Ace or Moon who don't have code A, will be interesting to see if they rip apart MLG the same way they did with IEM
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On May 12 2011 15:09 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 15:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
well standard
slog select and moonan
tadaaa Not to derail the thread any but how long as Select been in the U.S.? Was he playing enough SC2/BW in Korea to really be counted as a Korean in the SC sense? Because if he started playing in the US I don't think it's quite the same thing.
He's a Korean playing in the foreigner/NA scene. It's as simple as that.
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I don't mind if it's not the absolute best like MVP or Nestea or MC, will be interesting anyway. I don't mind seeing other players get the chance at getting exposure as opposed to MC being flied around to every single tournament.
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Oh man, MLG getting legit too. I love ESPORTS.
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This will be nice.
How many of those will make it through the grueling open bracket, I wonder? Just another storyline added on top for MLG. Good move on their part. :D
I wonder about the 16 seeded players. Dallas was a fresh start, right? With some players (like Socke) not going, who's next in line to take his spot? Can't wait to see the seeds and brackets.
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Hah, nice. But yeah, as a lot of people have said already, the chances of any of the top Code S players going are probably very slim unless the stars align and their schedules work out perfectly. That being said, I'm sure quite a few Koreans are interested in the easy money.
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Awesome!!!!
Hope it turns out well.
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Well considering it APPEARS oGs and zenix have within the past week or so added NAaccts and started laddering them. You never know, maybe they are
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Looking forward to it. Hopefully the stream holds up. 
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I *think* zenixzero just got NA acct and is laddering atm.
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Did anyone else read hangover instead of Hanover? I should probably get some sleep...
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On May 12 2011 15:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
well standard
slog select and moonan
tadaaa I know Moonan and Select are Korean, but I didn't know about Slog. :o
Thought he was a North American with Korean roots like Kawaiirice and dde.
edit: TLPD and Liquipedia say he's US, but they've been wrong before and are possibly fed from the same source. I'd update the Liquipedia at least when there's official confirmation for this.
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Really hope that the korean players are top level code s players instead of code a / code b players
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On May 12 2011 15:13 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 15:09 DystopiaX wrote:On May 12 2011 15:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
well standard
slog select and moonan
tadaaa Not to derail the thread any but how long as Select been in the U.S.? Was he playing enough SC2/BW in Korea to really be counted as a Korean in the SC sense? Because if he started playing in the US I don't think it's quite the same thing. He's a Korean playing in the foreigner/NA scene. It's as simple as that. ------------------------------- I don't mind if it's not the absolute best like MVP or Nestea or MC, will be interesting anyway. I don't mind seeing other players get the chance at getting exposure as opposed to MC being flied around to every single tournament.
Doesn't really answer my question...I know he's Korean, what I was asking is if he actually played SC in Korea.
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Does this mean that Tastosis + koreans will form their own team in the MLG Columbus relays??
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select is one hell of an amazing player, but for some reason we consider him as one of our own >_>
lol
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Was there ever any doubt? I thought it was pretty much confirmed for awhile. =/
Having said that though, I can't wait to see who decides to take the trip. If a few top tier Koreans come over one of them will take first place for sure. ^^
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I just hope MLG don't have the same problems they had last time.
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This doesnt make any sense, the cost to benefit ratio is astronomical, not to mention the slanted tournament set up of MLG which will place these players into the open bracket.
If 4 people are coming, they are probably spending more money on travel, hotel and food than there is total prize being given away by MLG, it just doesnt make sense.
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Slect is not korean progamer! he is korean tho.
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Interesting read...
Its also possible that someone else is bringing the Koreans to the event.
Have fun! See ya in Ohio!
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On May 12 2011 15:22 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 15:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
well standard
slog select and moonan
tadaaa I know Moonan and Select are Korean, but I didn't know about Slog. :o Thought he was a North American with Korean roots like Kawaiirice and dde. edit: TLPD and Liquipedia say he's US, but they've been wrong before and are possibly fed from the same source. I'd update the Liquipedia at least when there's official confirmation for this.
kawaii is chinese bro
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Fight fight! I am excited.
Everyone should practice harder now.
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plz let the stream work....... PLZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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On May 12 2011 15:46 Looky wrote:
plz let the stream work....... PLZZZZZZZZZZZZ
^^
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http://streamworksint.com/
What's more important is Sundance says they're working with someone new for the stream. I hope we get MKP, MVP, July, Boxer or MC @ MLG, but the stream being functional will be a start. (Having done work at places where if "something could go wrong, it decides to", I have some sympathy for them, but, still, it's gotta be fixed)
I think if we can guess, MC & Boxer are probably down for coming out. oGs has been shipping MC everywhere lately, lol, but it'll be really interesting to see which Koreans come out. This is a multi-day long LAN. That's a different type of player than the "practice a lot for 1 matchup" type. Kind of why we see differences in GSL & GSTL play for some players. (And why Ace was rocking at IEM but then wiped out bad in Code A/Up&Down)
Should be fun to watch, though.
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Yeah, my first post. Long time lurker.
I am so looking forward to this. Amazing.
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I hope MLG gets their previous problems fixed and we have an awesome tournament with the koreans
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Koreans going to MLG?! Perish the thought!... *shifty eyes*.
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if boxer came that would be so freakin sweet!!
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4 Koreans? Probably the usual suspects. MC, Boxer, Ace, Moon is my prediction.
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On May 12 2011 16:33 red4ce wrote:
4 Koreans? Probably the usual suspects. MC, Boxer, Ace, Moon is my prediction.
Hoping Nada comes over since we know hes going to Dreamhack.
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MLG is very lackluster compared to Dreamhack, but I suppose every continent needs its gem, even if America's is a cloudy cubic zirconia. I'd argue that IPL is better, even though it's not live.
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On May 12 2011 16:35 FilthyPout wrote:
MLG is very lackluster compared to Dreamhack, but I suppose every continent needs its gem, even if America's is a cloudy cubic zirconia. I'd argue that IPL is better, even though it's not live.
Cool superiority complex, but I doubt anyone would agree with you. IPL better than a live LAN with tons of big named pros? Please...... quit trolling
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Interesting, I hope some "new" but good players come this time. I have seen enough of MC Boxer Moon Squirtle Ace Ensnare.
But I like the idea that every MLG there are some top Koreans participating.
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I want LeenockfOu. please....
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They'll all be stuck in open bracket anyway... so what, 4 can make it out max? Doesn't seem worth it to send too many.
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Great news, hope MC,MVP or Nestea go.
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While i'm glad Koreans are likely to make it to another international tournament, i feel bad for them for choosing to go to MLG. MLGs format is not suited to people outside NA or who don't attend every one of their tournaments because the seeding process for the Top 16 makes it impossible for those players to place outside of the top 24, and almost guaranteeing their seeding for the next event etc. The Korean players meanwhile will have to go through a tiring open bracket for a day and a half. Assuming they do make it through (not a given, there are other good players in the open brackets) they then have to play against the best foreigners back to back in 4 Bo3s and THEN play through the rest of the double elim bracket, all for a first place prize of a few thousand, to barely make up the plane and accomodation costs. It's not impossible, Naniwa did just that last tournament, but even the best players will lose sometimes. I just feel bad that the Koreans will turn up and get so little reward out of it.
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Does this clash with the Super Tournament? If so, a lot of the top Koreans won't be able to make it.
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I'm guessing at least one of the four players have to be from oGs. They sent TOP and InCa to Dreamhack last winter. MC has been to like everything so far. My money is on NaDa showing up to this one. It would be awesome to have one of the best BW bonjwa competing with NA players on equal latency. I get the feeling that BoxeR will be in attendance too, since he missed the Dreamhack Invitational.
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Boxer possibly? He did go to Blizzcon for the show match. And they do have a slayers member in NA I believe as well as Cella being Cella.
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On May 12 2011 16:44 Sickshakes wrote:
While i'm glad Koreans are likely to make it to another international tournament, i feel bad for them for choosing to go to MLG. MLGs format is not suited to people outside NA or who don't attend every one of their tournaments because the seeding process for the Top 16 makes it impossible for those players to place outside of the top 24, and almost guaranteeing their seeding for the next event etc. The Korean players meanwhile will have to go through a tiring open bracket for a day and a half. Assuming they do make it through (not a given, there are other good players in the open brackets) they then have to play against the best foreigners back to back in 4 Bo3s and THEN play through the rest of the double elim bracket, all for a first place prize of a few thousand, to barely make up the plane and accomodation costs. It's not impossible, Naniwa did just that last tournament, but even the best players will lose sometimes. I just feel bad that the Koreans will turn up and get so little reward out of it.
well all the top players are usually seeded, so i think they will easily blast through the open bracket. though they have to play alots of games, im sure that doesnt bother them because they are professionals. not much rewards but im sure they are just trying to get into the national championship
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On May 12 2011 16:44 Sickshakes wrote:
While i'm glad Koreans are likely to make it to another international tournament, i feel bad for them for choosing to go to MLG. MLGs format is not suited to people outside NA or who don't attend every one of their tournaments because the seeding process for the Top 16 makes it impossible for those players to place outside of the top 24, and almost guaranteeing their seeding for the next event etc. The Korean players meanwhile will have to go through a tiring open bracket for a day and a half. Assuming they do make it through (not a given, there are other good players in the open brackets) they then have to play against the best foreigners back to back in 4 Bo3s and THEN play through the rest of the double elim bracket, all for a first place prize of a few thousand, to barely make up the plane and accomodation costs. It's not impossible, Naniwa did just that last tournament, but even the best players will lose sometimes. I just feel bad that the Koreans will turn up and get so little reward out of it.
agree. All they need to do in the GSL is ride the subway to GOMtv studio and play 2 or 3 games. That's all. It cost nothing, whereas traveling to MLG would cost 10k for a team of 4 players.
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On May 12 2011 16:52 omegan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 16:44 Sickshakes wrote:
While i'm glad Koreans are likely to make it to another international tournament, i feel bad for them for choosing to go to MLG. MLGs format is not suited to people outside NA or who don't attend every one of their tournaments because the seeding process for the Top 16 makes it impossible for those players to place outside of the top 24, and almost guaranteeing their seeding for the next event etc. The Korean players meanwhile will have to go through a tiring open bracket for a day and a half. Assuming they do make it through (not a given, there are other good players in the open brackets) they then have to play against the best foreigners back to back in 4 Bo3s and THEN play through the rest of the double elim bracket, all for a first place prize of a few thousand, to barely make up the plane and accomodation costs. It's not impossible, Naniwa did just that last tournament, but even the best players will lose sometimes. I just feel bad that the Koreans will turn up and get so little reward out of it. agree. All they need to do in the GSL is ride the subway to GOMtv studio and play 2 or 3 games. That's all. It cost nothing, whereas traveling to MLG would cost 10k for a team of 4 players.
I think winning money is a big part of going to MLG, but I also think (as has been mentioned before) that there is also a lot of value in developing highly competitive tournament experience. And with the GSL basically being all that there is in South Korea, successful pro teams may see that 10k as an investment in promising players to develop the experience and stability to perform well in tournaments like the GSL. It also gets players outside of Korea and opens them up to the foreign SC2 scene, which I think is going to play a larger role down the line when compared to BW.
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Very nice, finally a solid reason to look forward to the MLG. \o/
Let's hope they've learned from all the problems they had in Dallas.
(ensuring stable internet, stable stream but also having a decent schedule for the players)
On May 12 2011 16:52 omegan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 16:44 Sickshakes wrote:
While i'm glad Koreans are likely to make it to another international tournament, i feel bad for them for choosing to go to MLG. MLGs format is not suited to people outside NA or who don't attend every one of their tournaments because the seeding process for the Top 16 makes it impossible for those players to place outside of the top 24, and almost guaranteeing their seeding for the next event etc. The Korean players meanwhile will have to go through a tiring open bracket for a day and a half. Assuming they do make it through (not a given, there are other good players in the open brackets) they then have to play against the best foreigners back to back in 4 Bo3s and THEN play through the rest of the double elim bracket, all for a first place prize of a few thousand, to barely make up the plane and accomodation costs. It's not impossible, Naniwa did just that last tournament, but even the best players will lose sometimes. I just feel bad that the Koreans will turn up and get so little reward out of it. agree. All they need to do in the GSL is ride the subway to GOMtv studio and play 2 or 3 games. That's all. It cost nothing, whereas traveling to MLG would cost 10k for a team of 4 players.
Think of it that way: the moment they manage to finish high and get a good seed in the next tournament, it might become a lucrative investment from then on.
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Pretty cool, maybe Ace will come over :D
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On May 12 2011 16:44 Sickshakes wrote:
While i'm glad Koreans are likely to make it to another international tournament, i feel bad for them for choosing to go to MLG. MLGs format is not suited to people outside NA or who don't attend every one of their tournaments because the seeding process for the Top 16 makes it impossible for those players to place outside of the top 24, and almost guaranteeing their seeding for the next event etc. The Korean players meanwhile will have to go through a tiring open bracket for a day and a half. Assuming they do make it through (not a given, there are other good players in the open brackets) they then have to play against the best foreigners back to back in 4 Bo3s and THEN play through the rest of the double elim bracket, all for a first place prize of a few thousand, to barely make up the plane and accomodation costs. It's not impossible, Naniwa did just that last tournament, but even the best players will lose sometimes. I just feel bad that the Koreans will turn up and get so little reward out of it.
Maybe mlg paid for their travels?
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In before, "Koreans own white people," part 2. I hope MLG Columbus will have sick games.
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On May 12 2011 17:06 supdubdup wrote:In before, "Koreans own white people," part 2. I hope MLG Columbus will have sick games.
I wonder if this could lead a larger discrepancy in general attendee interest in favor of SC2 over the other major aspects of MLG.
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my guess is that it's just going to be players who didn't make the super tournament.
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On May 12 2011 17:09 GTR wrote:
my guess is that it's just going to be players who didn't make the super tournament.
yeah, this.
Anyways it's still very exciting to see that tournaments become more international.
Really fun when there is a mix of koreans and non-koreans in tournaments.
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MLG had south koreans in WoW arena first!
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Sixjax has so many great articles lately on their website, gj evoli yea columbus will have sick competition !
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On May 12 2011 17:09 GTR wrote:
my guess is that it's just going to be players who didn't make the super tournament.
Most definitely, still should be very good competition and I'm excited to see how well they can do in the MLG format where a majority of english speaking players complained about not even knowing when they were going to play due to the horrible scheduling.
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well atleast we allready know the winner now.. :/
Don't get me wrong I love to see korean players but they won every LAN they attended, takes the fun away for me.
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ive heard that mlg is not even a good event. i dont know cause i havent been but they are just bad all round so far with everything i have seen the the stream is fucking terrible. they are supposed to have this big budget and almost anyone off the street could have done better than what they did.
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On May 12 2011 16:45 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Does this clash with the Super Tournament? If so, a lot of the top Koreans won't be able to make it.
Games won't be played during MLG and I think if GOM is in partnership with MLG, I would think they would reschedule matches for players leaving and coming back from MLG. So it could still be Super Tournament players.
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Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_-
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Would be strange if there was no koreans at MLG, they have already been at several euorpean tournaments.
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On May 12 2011 17:32 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 16:45 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Does this clash with the Super Tournament? If so, a lot of the top Koreans won't be able to make it. Games won't be played during MLG and I think if GOM is in partnership with MLG, I would think they would reschedule matches for players leaving and coming back from MLG. So it could still be Super Tournament players.
speaking of partnership hm...
![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/m/17/8683/gslmlg.jpg)
http://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance/status/68476392303624192
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On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_-
Are Americans still foreigners when they are playing in the US? lol
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this is cool, but considering the MLG seed system, you need to be significantly better than almost everyone attending to come from the qualifiers and take the tournament in the manner of nani.
so while it will be nice to mix it up with koreans for more drama, it won't be anything worthy of citing in assessing the 'skill difference between regions', which on the whole is a bad concept for people to be following, since this skill difference thing is only relevant in any sense for ladder -and the order is quite clear there anyway- not for the top level of players.
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Hope all the top players go to MLG, including the top Euros.
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On May 12 2011 18:15 LwReisen wrote:
Hope all the top players go to MLG, including the top Euros.
Soon euros won't have to fly to America to participate in MLG.
![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/m/560/7803/yeaaa.jpg)
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would prefer if they just stay in america, we have decent tournaments here already, mlg would just embarrass our continent.
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Hope it works out good for both parts, would be nice to see koreans at MLG.
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On May 12 2011 18:27 Azuroz wrote:
would prefer if they just stay in america, we have decent tournaments here already, mlg would just embarrass our continent.
not sure what you were trying to accomplish with this post
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whoa whoa whoa...no one has asked or answered the most important question in relation to this rumor...
Will the Koreans be participating in the relay race?
I'd pay to see the ST team with July as their anchor.
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Highly doubt MLG Columbus will have the same problems MLG Dallas did. They got some great people this round to ensure that does not happen again.
Cannot wait to know which Koreans will be going though Makes the trip a little more worthwhile!
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On May 12 2011 18:27 Azuroz wrote:
would prefer if they just stay in america, we have decent tournaments here already, mlg would just embarrass our continent.
It all depends on if they will let MLG take a marketshare, Dreamhack is really the only one in europe able to make MLGs plans crash and burn depending on how they will work with SC2 in the future.
Now they have only had som invites and DHS and DHW. IF Dreamhack would make a euroleague they would give MLG a headache. Until something like that happends MLG will probably fill a need not being adressed in europe at the moment. ESL have failed and pulled back almost all leagues outside of Germany.
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On May 12 2011 18:39 yujinx wrote:Highly doubt MLG Columbus will have the same problems MLG Dallas did. They got some great people this round to ensure that does not happen again. Cannot wait to know which Koreans will be going though Makes the trip a little more worthwhile! ^^
well if the internet problems really were a local issue, then it should be fine. plus they are going to over-prepare for columbus if anything after the dallas failure. i'll at least wait for day 1 before paying for HQ though =X
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On May 12 2011 18:47 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:39 yujinx wrote:Highly doubt MLG Columbus will have the same problems MLG Dallas did. They got some great people this round to ensure that does not happen again. Cannot wait to know which Koreans will be going though Makes the trip a little more worthwhile! ^^ well if the internet problems really were a local issue, then it should be fine. plus they are going to over-prepare for columbus if anything after the dallas failure. i'll at least wait for day 1 before paying for HQ though =X
Yes, they have lot of trust to regain. That trust is only obtained by an excellent production and a better run tournament.
What people most remember from Dallas is the stream not working, but the production during stream time was not so impressive and players were complaining about scheduling issues and lack of information.
MLG needs to up the ambition on all levels to make the stream a success. A part of this is a nice line up of players, but we must be able to follow them and not watch so much dead air time as in Dallas.
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On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_-
lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous
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Why would they even travel all that way to MLG for such a tiny prize pool :o Team exposure?
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Would like to see Koreans we havent seen apart from GSL so far, maybe Keen hehe...
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It should be pointed out that GOM isn't going to play *any* super tournament games during the MLG weekend. They posted a schedule during one of the more recent broadcasts that specifically pointed this out. So, there was something up already known at least 2 weeks ago.
Also, pretty much *everyone* good is qualified for the Super Tournament. Along with the foreigners over for the World tournament. So, there's going to be a possible solid mix of people around for both the Super Tournament & MLG. Oh, and Tastosis will be at MLG as well. (And Day9 might be casting GSL as well, we don't know, but he'll be in Korea...)
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Man I was thinking of getting tickets for MLG Columbus now i am really going to have to sweet talk the wife
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That's great news imho. One more event where the regional boundaries are undone, and more and more players from every background and country compete with each other. Maybe some day the whole Korea vs Rest of the World debate will be gone as well (I wish for that!).
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You do realize by finishing in top whatever in SC2 you qualify for the championship which is worth a whole bunch more money? Plus, I think MLG pays travel stipends for top 8 or 16 players also.
Surprised no one considered Jinro as being a possibility in this announcement. I don't see him staying in Korea any longer, and he would fall under "special guest from Asia".
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On May 12 2011 19:35 Corrik wrote:
Surprised no one considered Jinro as being a possibility in this announcement. I don't see him staying in Korea any longer, and he would fall under "special guest from Asia".
Yeah, him writing in this very forum that there's no way he's gonna leave Korea doesn't matter?
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On May 12 2011 18:25 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:15 LwReisen wrote:
Hope all the top players go to MLG, including the top Euros. Soon euros won't have to fly to America to participate in MLG.
lets hope they do it in the UK
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On May 12 2011 19:16 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_- lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous
True enough the chances of foreigners beating Koreans are slim at best, but in order for foreigners to close the skill gap they'll have to compete with Koreans and adjust to their play. By isolating the foreign scene it'll always be way behind, simply because the Korean scene is more developed and has a much better practice environment.
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I was already excited to attend, but this makes it even more exciting.
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well lets hope MLG will get a decent stream running this time
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On May 12 2011 13:39 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Wow that's awesome. Helps improve the prestige of MLG tournaments even more, and we now get to see some foreign vs korean games whose validity isn't undermined by latency issues.
Why do people keep beating the dead horse about latency
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ive been pretty quiet around here lately but i saw this and wanted to comment just briefly on the koreacyntric viewpoint from which this article was written:
While it is nice to see that some foreigners will be competing at MLG Columbus Im saddened to see that hidden deep within the anouncement is a shocking a horrible truth about the author and many many south koreans no doubt
+ Show Spoiler +
please see the following:relatively unknown Korean players do work against some of the most
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oh man MVP and MKP <3 i hope so ! :D
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On May 12 2011 13:41 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 13:40 SweetAs wrote:
Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on GSL made openings for MLG
Not enough time for them to travel I think. I would think the Koreans that will be going to MLG are the ones that got knocked out or the ones that arent in the top 64.
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I hope the koreans are actually good instead of random mediocre players who are korean. This isn't BW where even B team scrubs dominate the best foreigners... unless you're one of the best koreans (Marineking, nestea, mvp, MC etc) then you aren't much better than anyone else (if even)
may as well have got more European players if you're going to do that, its expensive as hell to fly over there
i dont have any interest in a bunch of no name koreans
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Hopefully Koreans won't be too confused by MLG's weird format
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Baah, imagine if 10 KR pros + some very good Europeans come over. GL in the open bracket guys! lol
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On May 12 2011 21:44 Maliris wrote:
I hope the koreans are actually good instead of random mediocre players who are korean. This isn't BW where even B team scrubs dominate the best foreigners... unless you're one of the best koreans (Marineking, nestea, mvp, MC etc) then you aren't much better than anyone else (if even)
may as well have got more European players if you're going to do that, its expensive as hell to fly over there
i dont have any interest in a bunch of no name koreans
dont watch then lol?
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On May 12 2011 22:12 mburke05 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 21:44 Maliris wrote:
I hope the koreans are actually good instead of random mediocre players who are korean. This isn't BW where even B team scrubs dominate the best foreigners... unless you're one of the best koreans (Marineking, nestea, mvp, MC etc) then you aren't much better than anyone else (if even)
may as well have got more European players if you're going to do that, its expensive as hell to fly over there
i dont have any interest in a bunch of no name koreans dont watch then lol?
Then he doesn't get to watch MLG. The purpose of 'hopes' and feedback in general is to create an ideal situation where this is not the case. And I, too, hope that the korean players can provide good games.
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i dont have any interest in a bunch of no name koreans
MLG isn't flying the Koreans over. It is the Korean teams/sponsors. They aren't going to spend all that money to fly over some no-name player unless that no-name player decides to just enter and pay his own way.
Although I'd be surprised if it was the TOP players, I don't see why it wouldn't be known and respected players since it makes no sense for a team to fly some scrub player over. Perhaps boxer?
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wow the news about the partnership with streamworks is much more exciting to me than the one about koreans attending (which is obviously great as well).
at least now we can hope to be able to see the matches live! :D that's a step in the right direction MLG, rock on!
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On May 12 2011 22:33 CursedFeanor wrote:
wow the news about the partnership with streamworks is much more exciting to me than the one about koreans attending (which is obviously great as well).
at least now we can hope to be able to see the matches live! :D that's a step in the right direction MLG, rock on!
Yeah, it /looks/ like this could be the most solid stream outside of GSL. I scoured streamworks' website, as well as a bunch of Sundance tweets - the stream setup is very impressive:
- Satellite link-up
- Redundancy all over the place
- 5 data centers via streamworks distributed worldwide
- No Octoshape (haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, plus streamworks has their own Flash player, apparently)?
I'm curious as to how much $$$ MLG is dropping on this setup. Looks crazy expensive.
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On May 12 2011 19:41 fortheGG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:25 zaii wrote:On May 12 2011 18:15 LwReisen wrote:
Hope all the top players go to MLG, including the top Euros. Soon euros won't have to fly to America to participate in MLG. lets hope they do it in the UK
Would better fit in Sweden or Germany.
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looking forward to it, new stream seems promising, and i´d love to see more korean and foreigner action
Just gonan be weird translating the MLG rules to the koreans
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where else streamworks is used?
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On May 12 2011 19:41 fortheGG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:25 zaii wrote:On May 12 2011 18:15 LwReisen wrote:
Hope all the top players go to MLG, including the top Euros. Soon euros won't have to fly to America to participate in MLG. lets hope they do it in the UK
You haven't read this?
MLG to expand to Europe, South America
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I wonder.....
are the Korean teams going to get invited to the relay race? Would be hilarious to see that. Can't wait for MLG Columbus, hope all the problems get fixed this time around.
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i hope streamworks can deliver unlike justlag.tv or the setup they used on the last mlg.
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Send some email to Korean Air - filthy rich company especially asia-NA route is real big cash cow for them. Send like"Be sponser GSL players too Korean Air!!!"
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You have to give props to MLG for going out and getting Tastosis if that's true, along with 4 Koreans. Just shows that they are making a real effort for SC2.
As far as the logic behind why they would all come over, I am sure MLG is fronting some money. It would be a smart investment if it at all increases the over all value and validity of their Starcraft 2 tournament.
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Be patient announcements coming VERY soon. Really good and exciting news, as we try and take MLG to the next level for the SC2 community.
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It will probably be difficult for them to deal with the severe jet lag (almost opposite time for am pm) and then have to fight all the way through the open bracket. Yet, it almost makes me feel bad for the unknowns who are trying to get through open bracket at Columbus, almost....
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Gah. I want to go to MLG so bad now! :O
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Oh my, this is exciting news. <_< I don't think that they'd have tasteosis out though would they? It seems awfully expensive when you have day9 in the country. I can understand them flying tastetosis out for blizzcon though :D That was epic (albeit weird with day9 there too :D )
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On May 12 2011 23:50 MLGrben wrote:
Be patient announcements coming VERY soon. Really good and exciting news, as we try and take MLG to the next level for the SC2 community.
Great, looking forward to it. MLG hwaiting!!!
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On May 12 2011 23:51 Reborn8u wrote:
It will probably be difficult for them to deal with the severe jet lag (almost opposite time for am pm) and then have to fight all the way through the open bracket. Yet, it almost makes me feel bad for the unknowns who are trying to get through open bracket at Columbus, almost....
HUK pulled it off last MLG . He was seeded, but I imagine it will be similar for whoever they are inviting (for the benefit of everyone I think)
I hope Huk goes to MLG... unless he if doing well at the GSL super torney.
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On May 12 2011 23:24 Tenks wrote:
MVP can stay at my house
Yeah, I'd probably let him ladder on my SC2 account.
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This is fantastic news, alongside previous news that they would hire additional casters to cast off-stage games or replays. However, I will miss the Decorah baby eagles stream if MLG Columbus works near flawlessly.
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I just hope we get to see the tournament this time without any techncal hiccups with the stream. Dont want to watch Mr.Eagle again.
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On May 12 2011 18:27 Azuroz wrote:
would prefer if they just stay in america, we have decent tournaments here already, mlg would just embarrass our continent.
That's not nice.
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On May 12 2011 22:12 mburke05 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 21:44 Maliris wrote:
I hope the koreans are actually good instead of random mediocre players who are korean. This isn't BW where even B team scrubs dominate the best foreigners... unless you're one of the best koreans (Marineking, nestea, mvp, MC etc) then you aren't much better than anyone else (if even)
may as well have got more European players if you're going to do that, its expensive as hell to fly over there
i dont have any interest in a bunch of no name koreans dont watch then lol?
Thats probably the worst thing that could happen for MLG
the whole point of even having koreans in their tournament is to make it more prestigious. if its just a bunch of random guys whose nationality is Korean then it isn't very interesting. Less views -> less ad revenue and less sponsor interest
You are aware of how a business functions, right "lol"?
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On May 12 2011 19:16 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_- lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous
lol. thorzain beat MC once in an online tournament and now everyone is saying like he's the best player on the planet. Look how he choked at "Road to Korea". Naniwa won nothing but 5k in MLG so far. so funny. Ace is just a code B player. There are about a couple hundred players like him in Korea.
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On May 12 2011 23:40 shappens wrote:
Send some email to Korean Air - filthy rich company especially asia-NA route is real big cash cow for them. Send like"Be sponser GSL players too Korean Air!!!"
I demand president Protoss to fly in this plane!
http://www.gamepron.com/imagery/StarCraft2-KoreanAir4.jpg
Korean air teehee.
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To those saying GSL supertournament will interfere, or that they wouldn't want to waste the break time on a 2 or 3 day trip to America. The MLG lands right in the middle of the round of 32 and since the MLG isn't something you can very specifically prepare they have a 6 day period in which they have to fit one round of 32 match and the 2-3 day trip with 2-3 days to rest/practice no matter what.
They could theoretically send anyone to the MLG.
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On May 12 2011 23:24 Tenks wrote:
MVP can stay at my house
No. It's confirmed that he's gonna stay at my house.
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TSL is nothing like MLG. MLG is an offline (well technically B.net >.>) event, so everyone has equal latencies. TSL is obviously the opposite. TSL has weeks in between every MU. MLG has an hour or less sometimes.
In tournaments like MLG, solid players shine, like Jinro, IdrA, Naniwa etc. Players like ThorZain who prepare meticulous Build Orders against there opponents do not do so well in tournaments like this, but rather tournaments like TSL. Afterall "the best foreigner terran" lost pretty early in his only big offline event, The Gathering.
Although this is an opinion, most people will agree that Foreigners are in general the creative inovative players... and the Koreans are the solid, mechanical beasts. That's why Ace Moon and Squirtle dominated IEM... but the Koreans got destroyed in TSL. Everyone will be on equal footing in MLG... but more importantly, players like ThorZain (I don't even know if he's going to MLG, just an example) don't have any time to create build orders for each specific player, and will fall to simply solid players like IdrA... Naniwa.............. and the Koreans.
The players who are successful in tournaments like TSL and GSL does automatically mean they will do good in events like IEM and MLG.
HOWEVER. Players can be both of these 'types' too.
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On May 13 2011 00:43 omegan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 19:16 CoR wrote:On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_- lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous lol. thorzain beat MC once in an online tournament and now everyone is saying like he's the best player on the planet. Look how he choked at "Road to Korea". Naniwa won nothing but 5k in MLG so far. so funny. Ace is just a code B player. There are about a couple hundred players like him in Korea.
Ace is actually the best player in the world provided he's playing in a foreign tournament. Ace is going to win NASL and StarsWar easily.
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As someone living in Columbus, I apologize to all Koreans coming here expecting to go sightseeing. Columbus is damn boring.
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On May 13 2011 01:15 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 00:43 omegan wrote:On May 12 2011 19:16 CoR wrote:On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_- lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous lol. thorzain beat MC once in an online tournament and now everyone is saying like he's the best player on the planet. Look how he choked at "Road to Korea". Naniwa won nothing but 5k in MLG so far. so funny. Ace is just a code B player. There are about a couple hundred players like him in Korea. Ace is actually the best player in the world provided he's playing in a foreign tournament. Ace is going to win NASL and StarsWar easily.
This is so true. Kind of like Kas for online events. Ace for foreign events.
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they better get the streams of this event right..
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On May 13 2011 01:15 price wrote:
As someone living in Ohio, I apologize to all Koreans coming here expecting to go sightseeing. Ohio is damn boring.
Fixed, and yes I live in Ohio.
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looking forward to watching MLG now!
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Who are these streamworks guys? Which other events have they been responsible for?
It was only a matter of time before more and more Koreans jet to international tournaments. One 64 man tournament every other month isn't enough to sustain all the Korean pros out there - even if it's the biggest in the world.
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On May 13 2011 02:46 Bobster wrote:
Who are these streamworks guys? Which other events have they been responsible for?
It was only a matter of time before more and more Koreans jet to international tournaments. One 64 man tournament every other month isn't enough to sustain all the Korean pros out there - even if it's the biggest in the world.
if you look at their site
it says they did the Royal Wedding
didn't billions watch that?>
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On May 12 2011 13:58 SweetAs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 13:41 zaii wrote:On May 12 2011 13:40 SweetAs wrote:
Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on GSL made openings for MLG Lol, they are taking the weekend off. I'm sure the Koreans will want to fly all the way to America miss out on practice time, get tired as hell then travel all the way back to participate in a much bigger tournament. Seems logical to me.
not all of them have to play on the first day, fuck probably only a 5 out of 64 have to play on the first day and an other 5 the next after that.
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Something to look forward to
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Lol, and now MLG stream will crash again because they will have even more viewers than last time.
He better be prepared for 5x the viewers...
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On May 13 2011 01:15 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 00:43 omegan wrote:On May 12 2011 19:16 CoR wrote:On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_- lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous lol. thorzain beat MC once in an online tournament and now everyone is saying like he's the best player on the planet. Look how he choked at "Road to Korea". Naniwa won nothing but 5k in MLG so far. so funny. Ace is just a code B player. There are about a couple hundred players like him in Korea. Ace is actually the best player in the world provided he's playing in a foreign tournament. Ace is going to win NASL and StarsWar easily.
best player in the world?? Foreign tournaments?? Isn't that what koreans are SUPPOSED to do? Dominate the foreigners? But he can't manage to stay in CODE A in GSL, albe it considering that it's a live event and others are pre-recorded, also adding to the fact he's not that great of a player. MC, naniwa, white-ra, Inca, HuK (too soon to tell maybe) Alicia...all better players. Not saying he isn't a GREAT player but ACE is nowhere near top in the world, maybe top 15~20. But that's it.
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Since this is my first MLG event going to live---FUCK YEAH! :D
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Sweet, can't wait to see what Koreans can do vs. foreigners at low latency. Will be watching for sure!
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Like Alay, this is gonna be the first time I'm attending MLG live, and this just has me more excited than ever.
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On May 13 2011 02:26 Dhays9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 01:15 price wrote:
As someone living in Ohio, I apologize to all Koreans coming here expecting to go sightseeing. Ohio is damn boring. Fixed, and yes I live in Ohio.
As another Ohioian, I can also agree on this statement.
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Is Moon going to the tournament too? :p jk jk lets hope streamworks is a good streaming service too has anyone else heard of them before?
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I would be happy with a working stream tbh, having better competition would be the icing on the cake.
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On May 12 2011 13:40 SweetAs wrote:
Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on
they don't overlap... there is apparently a week between, huk was saying something about it on his stream
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I hope they send Artosis!
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When he was talking about travel expenses and such, I think he failed to mention that our boys have to stay and live in Korea for months at a time if they want to compete in GSL. MLG is a nice weekend vacation for the Koreans.
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I hope MC goes and gets to play LiquidTyler
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MC vs Naniwa Finals,
i'm calling it
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Bloody education stopping me from watching this, DH and GSL super tournament.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, A Levels ftl  .
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Any news on who is casting the games?
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Now I will deff have to go to MLG, the tourney is going to be stacked
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On May 13 2011 06:10 Benjef wrote:Bloody education stopping me from watching this, DH and GSL super tournament.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, A Levels ftl .
Don't worry, I'm sure the stream will be down for the rest of us.
+ Show Spoiler +
Come on Sundance don't let us down! :D
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Without the horrible lag problems I would be extremely surprised if we didn't see a completely korean dominated tournament
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Rather anxious to hear the list of the names, this seems like it'll be a rather big event if not for the notoriety alone.
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On May 13 2011 05:59 TooN wrote:
I hope MC goes and gets to play LiquidTyler
That wouldn't even be close and Tyler is kidding himself if he thinks it would.
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why the hell is it in columbus, what a horrible place to hold it. hold it in the northeast, cali, florida or texas.
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On May 13 2011 06:39 VenerableSpace wrote:
why the hell is it in columbus, what a horrible place to hold it. hold it in the northeast, cali, florida or texas.
Hahaha, what a great contribution to the thread. Good troll. We'll see if anyone takes it seriously. (MLG was in Dallas literally two months ago, will be in California and "the northeast" (Rhode Island) later in the season).
Anyway, I'm excited to see how this MLG goes. It's always a pleasure to watch, when the stream works.
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On May 13 2011 06:25 Cold-Blood wrote:
Without the horrible lag problems I would be extremely surprised if we didn't see a completely korean dominated tournament
You do know thorzain beat MC without latency right? (both were in europe when they played). So don't think it'll be korean dominated like you think, especially when its only 4 and they have too go through the open bracket.
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I live in Columbus and watch pretty much all of the sc2 tournaments that take place online. What I want to know is if it's worth it to spend my weekend at the tournament in person or if it's just as good to watch online from my house.
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On May 13 2011 06:10 Benjef wrote:Bloody education stopping me from watching this, DH and GSL super tournament.... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, A Levels ftl .
Thankfully E3 is just about safe!
On May 13 2011 04:25 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 01:15 ZAiNs wrote:On May 13 2011 00:43 omegan wrote:On May 12 2011 19:16 CoR wrote:On May 12 2011 17:45 Barca wrote:
Well great, now the foreigners won't have a shot at winning it -_- lol ? why so pathetic ? naniwa can beat any korean same for thorzain, i think MC and ACE are the only dangerous lol. thorzain beat MC once in an online tournament and now everyone is saying like he's the best player on the planet. Look how he choked at "Road to Korea". Naniwa won nothing but 5k in MLG so far. so funny. Ace is just a code B player. There are about a couple hundred players like him in Korea. Ace is actually the best player in the world provided he's playing in a foreign tournament. Ace is going to win NASL and StarsWar easily. best player in the world?? Foreign tournaments?? Isn't that what koreans are SUPPOSED to do? Dominate the foreigners? But he can't manage to stay in CODE A in GSL, albe it considering that it's a live event and others are pre-recorded, also adding to the fact he's not that great of a player. MC, naniwa, white-ra, Inca, HuK (too soon to tell maybe) Alicia...all better players. Not saying he isn't a GREAT player but ACE is nowhere near top in the world, maybe top 15~20. But that's it.
Ace lacks the blessing from the Gaming God Norazi, despite being Korean, therefore his power level drops from 'best player in the world' to bad when playing in a Korean tournament.
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This would be soo epic if somebody MC or MVP was just in the first round bracket sux for the player that would have to play them lol
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On May 13 2011 06:59 sealpuncher wrote:
I live in Columbus and watch pretty much all of the sc2 tournaments that take place online. What I want to know is if it's worth it to spend my weekend at the tournament in person or if it's just as good to watch online from my house.
Come in person, nothing can replicate that experience. Plus you get to hang out with the amazing SC2 community, it will be a blast.
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On May 12 2011 13:41 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 13:40 SweetAs wrote:
Doubt many will want to go considering mlg is right when the gsl super tournament is on GSL made openings for MLG
The three days of MLG Columbus are off, but they would still have to travel halfway around the world and probably wouldn't be performing at their best in either tournament.
Who knows though, maybe we'll get some of the Koreans who haven't been as successful in the GSL (MMA, Lyn, BoxeR, Leenock, Moon, JJUN, Squirtle, AcE, and YuGiOh). They're all great players and could all compete at the level of MLG.
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Wow this is so exciting. I wish MLG to come to Atlanta. I would sooo attend everyday. lol
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Koreans is awesome; the bigger moves we make towards an integrated esports scene the greater success SC2 will have in general. And with a company like streamworks involved, i am sort of hopeful about the broadcasting potential :p
How can it fail with a name like "streamworks"? It has to work!
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On May 13 2011 10:02 bkrow wrote:
Koreans is awesome; the bigger moves we make towards an integrated esports scene the greater success SC2 will have in general. And with a company like streamworks involved, i am sort of hopeful about the broadcasting potential :p
How can it fail with a name like "streamworks"? It has to work!
oh god. If the stream doesn't work, I can already imagine all the terrible troll image macros.
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looks like streamworks streamed teh royal wedding for billions of ppl?
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It would be nice, but thats gonna be obvious that the koreans will take the money home , but eh it would be cool seeing them, im sure all the krs in us would be closer to them than us tho :[
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On May 13 2011 10:16 KevinIX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 10:02 bkrow wrote:
Koreans is awesome; the bigger moves we make towards an integrated esports scene the greater success SC2 will have in general. And with a company like streamworks involved, i am sort of hopeful about the broadcasting potential :p
How can it fail with a name like "streamworks"? It has to work! oh god. If the stream doesn't work, I can already imagine all the terrible troll image macros.
Nah. We'll all just be watching the Decorah Baby Eagles stream. Those formerly cute chicks are now turning into strong birds of prey.
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On May 12 2011 15:37 Holcan wrote:
This doesnt make any sense, the cost to benefit ratio is astronomical, not to mention the slanted tournament set up of MLG which will place these players into the open bracket.
If 4 people are coming, they are probably spending more money on travel, hotel and food than there is total prize being given away by MLG, it just doesnt make sense.
When does it ever make sense to send players overseas when even first place might not even cover expenses? I'm guessing whoever sponsors them pays the bills for travel, but if they are paying for it themselves I'd call it stupid. If they are doing it for the lols then whatever. :o)
Besides, MLG is not as hard to get into unlike GSL which requires you to be Grand Master then slogging through Code B for a chance at Code A. You finally qualified and you get into lower tournament? At least MLG everyone plays in the same tournament. No safety of up/down matches. And all you need to qualify is $70
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This is gonna be awesome!
+ Show Spoiler +It's the first live tournament I'll be going to too!
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On May 13 2011 10:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:This is gonna be awesome! + Show Spoiler +It's the first live tournament I'll be going to too!
get as much autographs as you can!
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Never thought of buying MLG premium, but this time I might. If I have an open house in Columbus, I would invite all the Korean players over and stay for the weekend. Save some money from hotel. I would even provide free food and carpool with an eight-person SUV.
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Not sure if this was posted. CSN is sponsoring another Korean player's trip to MLG Columbus
They visited 8 team houses (ST, IM, MVP, SlayerS, ZeNEX, PRIME, TSL and HoSeo) and had a tournament within the teams.
It looks like the winners of the 8 CotH will fight for the spot.
So far the winners of the CotH have been.
1. ST - July
2. IM - Junwi.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222492
EDIT: Made a mistake in the earlier post.. seems like it's just 8 fighting for 1 additional spot. Meaning there will be 4+1 Korean there?
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On May 13 2011 15:51 pdd wrote:Not sure if this was posted. CSN is sponsoring another Korean player's trip to MLG Columbus They visited 8 team houses (ST, IM, MVP, SlayerS, ZeNEX, PRIME, TSL and HoSeo) and had a tournament within the teams. It looks like the winners of the 8 CotH will fight for the spot. So far the winners of the CotH have been. 1. ST - July 2. IM - Junwi. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222492EDIT: Made a mistake in the earlier post.. seems like it's just 8 fighting for 1 additional spot. Meaning there will be 4+1 Korean there?
It is way to much shit going on, who can keep up.
So this has really been known by people since the beginning of april, if you have followed the CSN stuff?
I think the tournament section needs a new structure to be able to promote all the tournaments better. Now gold nuggets like this get eaten up by american college leauges and europen 100 dollar KoH etc.
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On May 13 2011 18:02 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 15:51 pdd wrote:Not sure if this was posted. CSN is sponsoring another Korean player's trip to MLG Columbus They visited 8 team houses (ST, IM, MVP, SlayerS, ZeNEX, PRIME, TSL and HoSeo) and had a tournament within the teams. It looks like the winners of the 8 CotH will fight for the spot. So far the winners of the CotH have been. 1. ST - July 2. IM - Junwi. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222492EDIT: Made a mistake in the earlier post.. seems like it's just 8 fighting for 1 additional spot. Meaning there will be 4+1 Korean there? It is way to much shit going on, who can keep up. So this has really been known by people since the beginning of april, if you have followed the CSN stuff? I think the tournament section needs a new structure to be able to promote all the tournaments better. Now gold nuggets like this get eaten up by american college leauges and europen 100 dollar KoH etc.
No this hasn't been known by those following CSN up until today. CSN hosted the initial two tournaments in the ST and IM house without the general public knowing that the events that transpired there would lead to something bigger
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LOL mlg is the shining star ? who said this ? certainly not the spectators that's for sure
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Will be interesting to see what excuses the Korean fanboys drum up when half the Koreans don't make it out of the open bracket since "lol lag" will be off the table. Personally, I can't wait to see MC do one of his famous completely unsafe builds and lose to a random.
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On May 13 2011 19:35 Noelani wrote:Will be interesting to see what excuses the Korean fanboys drum up when half the Koreans don't make it out of the open bracket since "lol lag" will be off the table. Personally, I can't wait to see MC do one of his famous completely unsafe builds and lose to a random.
Chances are that if he attends (which he won't as it clashes with GSL) he will win the whole thing. Just like he did Copenhagen and Dreamhack. MC is undefeated in foreign LAN's.
If a team of say MC, MVP, MKP, Bomber, Nestea, July, Anypro and SC were to attend MLG as the Korean contingent there is almost no chance of a foreigner winning it.
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I hope this is the announcement that was announced last night on SC center.
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On May 13 2011 19:35 Noelani wrote:Will be interesting to see what excuses the Korean fanboys drum up when half the Koreans don't make it out of the open bracket since "lol lag" will be off the table. Personally, I can't wait to see MC do one of his famous completely unsafe builds and lose to a random.
I look forward to the ignorant foreigner fudgepackers going LOOLOOLOL KOR GOT RAPED when a low level code b like junwi goes and loses.
We all know whats gonna happen if half decent koreans go.
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On May 13 2011 20:06 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 19:35 Noelani wrote:Will be interesting to see what excuses the Korean fanboys drum up when half the Koreans don't make it out of the open bracket since "lol lag" will be off the table. Personally, I can't wait to see MC do one of his famous completely unsafe builds and lose to a random. I look forward to the ignorant foreigner fudgepackers going LOOLOOLOL KOR GOT RAPED when a low level code b like junwi goes and loses. We all know whats gonna happen if half decent koreans go.
Ace-Moon-Squirtle came 1-2-3 in IEM so if Junwi went, he would have a good chance.
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On May 13 2011 00:12 Dac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 23:51 Reborn8u wrote:
It will probably be difficult for them to deal with the severe jet lag (almost opposite time for am pm) and then have to fight all the way through the open bracket. Yet, it almost makes me feel bad for the unknowns who are trying to get through open bracket at Columbus, almost.... HUK pulled it off last MLG . He was seeded, but I imagine it will be similar for whoever they are inviting (for the benefit of everyone I think) I hope Huk goes to MLG... unless he if doing well at the GSL super torney.
But did you not see how Huk looked last MLG, he was zombie-like in all the videos I saw of him, certainly couldn't have helped his play.
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glad I ordered a ticket for it.
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wow, those are fucking awesome invites
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On May 12 2011 22:40 delo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 22:33 CursedFeanor wrote:
wow the news about the partnership with streamworks is much more exciting to me than the one about koreans attending (which is obviously great as well).
at least now we can hope to be able to see the matches live! :D that's a step in the right direction MLG, rock on! Yeah, it /looks/ like this could be the most solid stream outside of GSL. I scoured streamworks' website, as well as a bunch of Sundance tweets - the stream setup is very impressive: - Satellite link-up - Redundancy all over the place - 5 data centers via streamworks distributed worldwide - No Octoshape (haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, plus streamworks has their own Flash player, apparently)? I'm curious as to how much $$$ MLG is dropping on this setup. Looks crazy expensive.
Hey Guys,
Great to hear such enthusiasm for the Streamworks system. We are very much looking forward to covering the MLG Season, we're in a beautifully unique position of being devout eSports fans (I'm not just saying that! To those who don't know me I've shoutcasted lots of WCG CS & WC3 in the past) and broadcast professionals. Our goal is to deliver you the not only the best quality eSports streams you've seen but also the most stable experience you've had to date.
We achieve this in two ways, first of all as someone rightly pointed out there will be satellite uplink from the event to prevent any onsite internet issues and secondly Streamworks have a patented encoding technology. This technology creates the most bandwidth efficient streaming possible allowing you to experience better pictures for less bandwidth.
I hope you guys enjoy the show, we're very open to any feedback so will be checking back to see what you have to say.
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On May 20 2011 00:00 TosspoT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 22:40 delo wrote:On May 12 2011 22:33 CursedFeanor wrote:
wow the news about the partnership with streamworks is much more exciting to me than the one about koreans attending (which is obviously great as well).
at least now we can hope to be able to see the matches live! :D that's a step in the right direction MLG, rock on! Yeah, it /looks/ like this could be the most solid stream outside of GSL. I scoured streamworks' website, as well as a bunch of Sundance tweets - the stream setup is very impressive: - Satellite link-up - Redundancy all over the place - 5 data centers via streamworks distributed worldwide - No Octoshape (haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, plus streamworks has their own Flash player, apparently)? I'm curious as to how much $$$ MLG is dropping on this setup. Looks crazy expensive. Hey Guys, Great to hear such enthusiasm for the Streamworks system. We are very much looking forward to covering the MLG Season, we're in a beautifully unique position of being devout eSports fans (I'm not just saying that! To those who don't know me I've shoutcasted lots of WCG CS & WC3 in the past) and broadcast professionals. Our goal is to deliver you the not only the best quality eSports streams you've seen but also the most stable experience you've had to date. We achieve this in two ways, first of all as someone rightly pointed out there will be satellite uplink from the event to prevent any onsite internet issues and secondly Streamworks have a patented encoding technology. This technology creates the most bandwidth efficient streaming possible allowing you to experience better pictures for less bandwidth. I hope you guys enjoy the show, we're very open to any feedback so will be checking back to see what you have to say.
Is streamworks a p2p streamer that eats users upload bandwidth just like octoshape?
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Nope - no plugins/p2p etc, what you would call 'traditional' flash streaming.
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On May 20 2011 00:50 TosspoT wrote:
Nope - no plugins/p2p etc, what you would call 'traditional' flash streaming.
Awesome! I was really disappointed with octoshape since I'm usually on the brink of going over my bandwidth every month.
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