EPTOn December 31 2011 08:56 CptCutter wrote:
what happened to the UK?
demuslim > all
what happened to the UK?
demuslim > all
right so there's demuslim and then there's...
Which Non-Korea Nation has the best pro lineup? - Page 43
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Vildhjarta
Sweden126 Posts
right so there's demuslim and then there's... | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On December 31 2011 16:58 Vildhjarta wrote: right so there's demuslim and then there's... Right and when you look at what Demuslim has done then there's....OH wait he hasn't done anything significant in starcraft. | ||
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jonathan1
United States395 Posts
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Mise
Finland580 Posts
And if the Chinese really take a liking in SC2 they could get as big or bigger than Korea. | ||
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
Anyways, my vote would be Sweden. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I'd love nothing more than to see a TEAM SWEDEN in the GSTL at some point. | ||
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giorgio
Poland32 Posts
On December 31 2011 16:43 Resonance wrote: 1)Sweden for sure: Thorzain, nani and jinro. No Sase morrow and the others aren't that great. 2)USA: IdrA(pronounced ih-dra, kinda like idiot), Sheth 3) Canada: HuK, combatex, HairZerg(firezerg) something high)France: definitely not. You have stephano kbye C'mon. Idra is TOP player ? He's kinda good, but not a very high level. USA so hype  From Europe it's Sweden. Can't say who on 2nd place, bcuz have many strong national teams. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
But I think that Sweden got the best non-korean players + there are so many of them, not just in SC2. then I think its Germany - Ukraine - USA - Poland maybe | ||
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DeadCell
Canada256 Posts
Team Sweden would be really hard to deal with if it came to a nationality team tournament lol. Canada, without me being too biased because I love this country; Has good players but most notably HuK, KiWiKaKi , Drewbie, and Stalife. HuK being our all-star most improved player by far would be our ace. But Honestly you can't count out any foreign players in that sense because you never know what could happen. The qxc all-kill against IM really shocked the hell out of me; you never know what to expect. I'm just happy to see a foreign player beat a high level Korean pro because it shows we have potential. | ||
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jcc
United States472 Posts
People actually making strong impacts at most tournaments are people from 1) Korea (obviously) 2) Sweden / USA / Ukraine 3) China / Germany / Poland 4) Canada / France I sort of group Huk into USA, but IdrA, sheth, rain, Huk, and qxc have all had pretty good tournament presence / rankings, and i would say on par numbers with sweden as of now. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
In that order. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
i think germany could need some results! (besides goody winning every cup that ever has been played) i believe! | ||
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tehneXus
Australia38 Posts
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box-killa
Australia13 Posts
You've got idra from the US Huk from canada stephano from france whiteRA and Kas from ukraine they are the best foreigners to be honest. sweden has a lot of good pros but no "super pros" if you know what I mean. I'd have to say the best is ukraine because it has the best protoss and terran in europe. It makes me think that sc2 is going to end up like sc1 in korea. We've already got way more korean uber pros, hero, DRG, Nestea, MMA, MVP. That's already more than uber pro's than the entire foreign scene. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2609 Posts
On December 31 2011 16:43 Resonance wrote: 1)Sweden for sure: Thorzain, nani and jinro. No Sase morrow and the others aren't that great. 2)USA: IdrA(pronounced ih-dra, kinda like idiot), Sheth 3) Canada: HuK, combatex, HairZerg(firezerg) something high)France: definitely not. You have stephano kbye LOL, so Adelscott, ToD, MoMaN, Aures, KenZy, Sarens is worse then Combat-Ex and HairZerg (I heard that nick the first time ever on TL...) ? I do not think so, buddy. France is on par, if not better then Canada. For Canada you can make a good team too: HuK, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, JF (does he still play some?) I think it would be close in an all-kill format Canada vs France. Pretty even: HuK =< Stephano Kiwikaki = ToD TT1 >= Sarens Drewbie >= MoMaN JF = Aures/KenZy Imho. My top 10 (with 5 players each): 1) Sweden (Naniwa, SaSe, Morrow, ThorZaiN, (Sjow/Bischu/Jimpo/JinrO/merZ one of these) ) 2) Ukraine (White-Ra, Kas, DIMAGA, Strelok, (Bly/Alf/HappyZerg) ) 3) Poland (MaNa, Nerchio, Tarson, Diestar, Tefel/ParanOid/Slider) 4) France (Stephano, ToD, Sarens, MoMaN, KenZy) 5) Canada (HuK, TT1, Drewbie, Kiwikaki, JF) 6) Germany (Socke, HasuObs, DarKForCe, GoOdy, Delphi/Mondragon/XlorD/RINE) 7) USA (IdrA, Sheth, qxc, Attero, Gatored) 8) BeNeLux (Grubby, Ret, Feast, DabOo, Orly) 9) Finland (Naama, Satinii, Fuzer, elfi, SeiN) 10) Russia (Brat_OK, TitaN, Aristeo, slivko , Abver/VERDI/Roll/Ho8ot) Rank 8-10 is really close tho. | ||
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
On December 31 2011 18:51 giorgio wrote: C'mon. Idra is TOP player ? He's kinda good, but not a very high level. USA so hype From Europe it's Sweden. Can't say who on 2nd place, bcuz have many strong national teams. Which American do you think is better than IdrA? | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
 But seriously, we have alot of good players  .ThorZaIN, Naniwa, Sase, Morrow, Jinro, (SjoW, Merz, Bischu ->list goes on) Man i would love to see a National Team League where countries can battle it out with teams of say 5-10 players. That would be AWESOME | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On December 31 2011 19:20 box-killa wrote: Its kind of spread out across the entire globe You've got idra from the US Huk from canada stephano from france whiteRA and Kas from ukraine they are the best foreigners to be honest. sweden has a lot of good pros but no "super pros" if you know what I mean. I'd have to say the best is ukraine because it has the best protoss and terran in europe. ...I'm kind of puzzled why you consider whitera/kas "super pros" but not Naniwa. 1st at MLG Global/2nd at MLG providence...neither Whitera nor Kas have had any tournament wins in a place with a korean presence, which seems to be what you define as a "super pro." This is really a tough question to settle because different tournament formats and the variables of a team league mean that the "best team" on paper doesn't always pan out - look at GSTL. While there's lot of talk about the US being overrated, you can never underestimate US players. There's the obvious top lineup for Idra, Sheth, qxc, and Gatored, but you have those like Trimaster or wbc that can always snipe/pull off upsets out of nowhere (trimaster beating idra/hwangsin, wbc beating Oz, hell even Gatored's great performance being so recent). There's a lot of talent that just doesn't get that much exposure, imo. Of course, Sweden, Ukraine, and Poland are up there. France, while having a solid enough lineup, doesn't exactly have many players with strong wins in big tournaments besides Stephano - this could be an issue of exposure like the US, but the plenitude of european tournaments says otherwise. Awhile ago Germany would've been near the top, but players like Socke, Darkforce, and TLO are all a bit far from their last big tournament performances. If Canada had Huk, they'd be solid, too. Huk, Kiwikaki, Slush, Drewbie, TT1, dde. Of course, my bias would want Huk on the US team ^^, in which the US would really be a force to reckon with. I also think a lot of people are underrating China. At WCG, the Chinese players seemed to be consistently a level above others (with the exception of the koreans of course). Personally, I'd put: 1. China 2. Sweden 3. US 4. Ukraine 5. Poland 6. France 7. Germany 8. Canada [last 4 are pretty arbitrarily arranged, and #3 is if US has Huk, otherwise I'd say it'd be the last 5 that could be interchangeable] | ||
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