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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
December 30 2011 23:36 GMT
#821
Sweden and Canada.
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llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
December 30 2011 23:37 GMT
#822
On December 31 2011 08:36 Aunvilgod wrote:
Sweden and Canada.

No way, has to be Sweden, USA and then canada.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
Ventor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States336 Posts
December 30 2011 23:37 GMT
#823
USA has only 3-4 top players. IdrA, HuK (Also Canadian), Sheth and Gatored ( I think if this guy was picked up by a big team, he would shine; I love you gatored). Sweden also has a very strong lineup with Nani, Sase, Thorzain and Morrow.
oGsMc - EGHuK - White-Ra - SlayerSBoxeR - STBomber Fighting!~
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
December 30 2011 23:37 GMT
#824
On December 31 2011 08:26 hZi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 07:23 Supert0fu wrote:
Can you really say USA behind France??? Idea, sheth, qxc, gatored vs Stephanie and them a. Bunch of people I never heard of...

Plus players like spanishiwa and destiny, who revolutionize the game.


Well, destiny and spanishiwa wouldn't stand a chance agaisnt players such as Adel, who beat IMMvp or SarenS who beat Sen in one of the most macro and multitask oriented bo3 ive seen and also faced IdrA in the finals of one the first IEM. I mean, their creativity is very entertaining but in the end their level isn't just high enough.

No need to mention Stephano, whos just the best foreign zerg imo. So yeah, even though Idra, sheth, qxc are top foreign players I don't think they that the overall level reaches the french top 5.

And yes my opinion is biased cause im french :}


You're really citing Adelscott vs IMMvp as a piece of evidence? Those games, like most of TSL3, were played with horrendous lag. Don't you remember the Genius lagfields? Or Mvp, arguably the best Korean terran, losing a reaper to a probe surround? Or him missing entire cycles when hes kiting his bio army?

If Adelscott played Mvp right now, he wouldn't win a single game out of ten.
powerade = dragoon blood
pewpew444
Profile Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
December 30 2011 23:40 GMT
#825
On December 31 2011 08:37 Ventor wrote:
USA has only 3-4 top players. IdrA, HuK (Also Canadian), Sheth and Gatored ( I think if this guy was picked up by a big team, he would shine; I love you gatored). Sweden also has a very strong lineup with Nani, Sase, Thorzain and Morrow.


What about the guy who all killed IM?
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
December 30 2011 23:44 GMT
#826
On December 31 2011 08:37 Lebzetu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 08:36 Aunvilgod wrote:
Sweden and Canada.

No way, has to be Sweden, USA and then canada.


Ukraine and Germany before USA tbh
Im better than Stefan
Belki
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 23:52:00
December 30 2011 23:51 GMT
#827
USA so overhyped!
For me :
-Sweden(Naniwa, Thorzain , Morrow, Sase, Bischu)
-Ukraine ( Kas,DIMAGA, White-Ra, Strelok, Bly)
-Poland ( Nerchio, Mana,Tarson, Diestar, Tefel or Paranoid)
-France(Stephano, ToD, SarenS, Adelscott, Kenzy)
-Germany(Socke, Goody, Hasuobs, Darkforce,Xlord)
-US(Idra,Sheth, qxc, Gatored and a last one)
CptCutter
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom370 Posts
December 30 2011 23:56 GMT
#828
what happened to the UK?

demuslim > all
Shortynut
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 23:59:59
December 30 2011 23:56 GMT
#829
On December 31 2011 07:06 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
The gap between Korea and the rest of the world is too big to give a fair assessment. We've seen so many foreigners go to Korea only to have a short lived career. Even the international TLPD is littered with code S and code A players and the foreigners that manged to squeeze into top 40 only have raised ELO because they were beating other foreigners and the occasional Korean but haven't won anything in a while.


Korea's >decade of professional BW competition is probably the biggest factor. Barely any foreigners could afford to even get to Korea before the exchange program. Looking at how insanely huge the foreign community has grown since the release of Starcraft 2 I'd say It's only a matter of time before we see a non-K GSL champion, the 2012 prophecy comes to mind :D


On December 31 2011 08:51 Belki wrote:
USA so overhyped!
For me :
-Sweden(Naniwa, Thorzain , Morrow, Sase, Bischu)
-Ukraine ( Kas,DIMAGA, White-Ra, Strelok, Bly)
-Poland ( Nerchio, Mana,Tarson, Diestar, Tefel or Paranoid)
-France(Stephano, ToD, SarenS, Adelscott, Kenzy)
-Germany(Socke, Goody, Hasuobs, Darkforce,Xlord)
-US(Idra,Sheth, qxc, Gatored and a last one)


add Huk to the USA
Belki
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark9 Posts
December 31 2011 00:14 GMT
#830
On December 31 2011 08:56 Shortynut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 07:06 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
The gap between Korea and the rest of the world is too big to give a fair assessment. We've seen so many foreigners go to Korea only to have a short lived career. Even the international TLPD is littered with code S and code A players and the foreigners that manged to squeeze into top 40 only have raised ELO because they were beating other foreigners and the occasional Korean but haven't won anything in a while.


Korea's >decade of professional BW competition is probably the biggest factor. Barely any foreigners could afford to even get to Korea before the exchange program. Looking at how insanely huge the foreign community has grown since the release of Starcraft 2 I'd say It's only a matter of time before we see a non-K GSL champion, the 2012 prophecy comes to mind :D


Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 08:51 Belki wrote:
USA so overhyped!
For me :
-Sweden(Naniwa, Thorzain , Morrow, Sase, Bischu)
-Ukraine ( Kas,DIMAGA, White-Ra, Strelok, Bly)
-Poland ( Nerchio, Mana,Tarson, Diestar, Tefel or Paranoid)
-France(Stephano, ToD, SarenS, Adelscott, Kenzy)
-Germany(Socke, Goody, Hasuobs, Darkforce,Xlord)
-US(Idra,Sheth, qxc, Gatored and a last one)


add Huk to the USA

I don't know what is so hard to understand.
Huk claims that he is canadian first even if he is American too so we can't count him in the US team.
You know, Zidane is also algerian, but he was competing for France and Algerians didn't say that he could play for their team.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
December 31 2011 05:41 GMT
#831
On December 31 2011 08:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 08:12 Oreo7 wrote:
I think what USA has going for it is tons of random B-rank pros. As in S-rank is HuK, Naniwa, Idra, Stephano etc, A-Rank is like Sheth, Demuslim, etc. I mean we have:

QXC
Tyler
Gatored
Kawiirice
Axslav
All of team Vile, It's Gosu, most of EG

etc etc. I don't think any other country has a roster quite as deep as ours. So we'd lose Winners League to Canada, Sweden or France, but we'd beat France in proleague bo5, beat Canada bo7 and beat Sweden bo11 or so.

Anyway, it's really hard to measure.

I think the most proper way to assess country dominance would be

"If all countries got to send a 5 man team to the GTSL, which team would win?", since GTSL and IPL team arena are both 5 man, right? So we should be thinking of this in terms of who has the 5 best players.

In such a case, I think Sweden wins. naniwa, Thorzain, Sase, Morrow, Jinro

I feel like there is another Swedish heavy hitter I am missing, but I do think that Sweden has the strongest 5 man team. Ukraine and Germany are of course also really strong countries, but they don't have as strong of a 5 man team.



GSTL is winners league, so the teams with the best aces would win - the bo's I was referring to were proleague style.
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akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
December 31 2011 05:46 GMT
#832
On December 31 2011 09:14 Belki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 08:56 Shortynut wrote:
On December 31 2011 07:06 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
The gap between Korea and the rest of the world is too big to give a fair assessment. We've seen so many foreigners go to Korea only to have a short lived career. Even the international TLPD is littered with code S and code A players and the foreigners that manged to squeeze into top 40 only have raised ELO because they were beating other foreigners and the occasional Korean but haven't won anything in a while.


Korea's >decade of professional BW competition is probably the biggest factor. Barely any foreigners could afford to even get to Korea before the exchange program. Looking at how insanely huge the foreign community has grown since the release of Starcraft 2 I'd say It's only a matter of time before we see a non-K GSL champion, the 2012 prophecy comes to mind :D


On December 31 2011 08:51 Belki wrote:
USA so overhyped!
For me :
-Sweden(Naniwa, Thorzain , Morrow, Sase, Bischu)
-Ukraine ( Kas,DIMAGA, White-Ra, Strelok, Bly)
-Poland ( Nerchio, Mana,Tarson, Diestar, Tefel or Paranoid)
-France(Stephano, ToD, SarenS, Adelscott, Kenzy)
-Germany(Socke, Goody, Hasuobs, Darkforce,Xlord)
-US(Idra,Sheth, qxc, Gatored and a last one)


add Huk to the USA

I don't know what is so hard to understand.
Huk claims that he is canadian first even if he is American too so we can't count him in the US team.
You know, Zidane is also algerian, but he was competing for France and Algerians didn't say that he could play for their team.


i'm surprised he considers himself canadian.

if i was born and raised in USA and then moved to france when i was 16 (22 now), i would definitely call myself an american.
PandaMonk
Profile Joined June 2011
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 05:56:01
December 31 2011 05:55 GMT
#833
I feel like the USA has a good team
IdrA, Sheth, Select, Rain, Incontrol, Tyler, Gatored, qxc, and Destiny.
But for the best, probably sweden OVERALL.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
December 31 2011 06:03 GMT
#834
On December 31 2011 09:14 Belki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 08:56 Shortynut wrote:
On December 31 2011 07:06 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
The gap between Korea and the rest of the world is too big to give a fair assessment. We've seen so many foreigners go to Korea only to have a short lived career. Even the international TLPD is littered with code S and code A players and the foreigners that manged to squeeze into top 40 only have raised ELO because they were beating other foreigners and the occasional Korean but haven't won anything in a while.


Korea's >decade of professional BW competition is probably the biggest factor. Barely any foreigners could afford to even get to Korea before the exchange program. Looking at how insanely huge the foreign community has grown since the release of Starcraft 2 I'd say It's only a matter of time before we see a non-K GSL champion, the 2012 prophecy comes to mind :D


On December 31 2011 08:51 Belki wrote:
USA so overhyped!
For me :
-Sweden(Naniwa, Thorzain , Morrow, Sase, Bischu)
-Ukraine ( Kas,DIMAGA, White-Ra, Strelok, Bly)
-Poland ( Nerchio, Mana,Tarson, Diestar, Tefel or Paranoid)
-France(Stephano, ToD, SarenS, Adelscott, Kenzy)
-Germany(Socke, Goody, Hasuobs, Darkforce,Xlord)
-US(Idra,Sheth, qxc, Gatored and a last one)


add Huk to the USA

I don't know what is so hard to understand.
Huk claims that he is canadian first even if he is American too so we can't count him in the US team.
You know, Zidane is also algerian, but he was competing for France and Algerians didn't say that he could play for their team.


Where did Huk say he was Canadian first? AFAIK everytime he's asked he considers himself half and half.
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
December 31 2011 07:13 GMT
#835
On December 31 2011 15:03 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 09:14 Belki wrote:
On December 31 2011 08:56 Shortynut wrote:
On December 31 2011 07:06 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
The gap between Korea and the rest of the world is too big to give a fair assessment. We've seen so many foreigners go to Korea only to have a short lived career. Even the international TLPD is littered with code S and code A players and the foreigners that manged to squeeze into top 40 only have raised ELO because they were beating other foreigners and the occasional Korean but haven't won anything in a while.


Korea's >decade of professional BW competition is probably the biggest factor. Barely any foreigners could afford to even get to Korea before the exchange program. Looking at how insanely huge the foreign community has grown since the release of Starcraft 2 I'd say It's only a matter of time before we see a non-K GSL champion, the 2012 prophecy comes to mind :D


On December 31 2011 08:51 Belki wrote:
USA so overhyped!
For me :
-Sweden(Naniwa, Thorzain , Morrow, Sase, Bischu)
-Ukraine ( Kas,DIMAGA, White-Ra, Strelok, Bly)
-Poland ( Nerchio, Mana,Tarson, Diestar, Tefel or Paranoid)
-France(Stephano, ToD, SarenS, Adelscott, Kenzy)
-Germany(Socke, Goody, Hasuobs, Darkforce,Xlord)
-US(Idra,Sheth, qxc, Gatored and a last one)


add Huk to the USA

I don't know what is so hard to understand.
Huk claims that he is canadian first even if he is American too so we can't count him in the US team.
You know, Zidane is also algerian, but he was competing for France and Algerians didn't say that he could play for their team.


Where did Huk say he was Canadian first? AFAIK everytime he's asked he considers himself half and half.


No where. There is just a lot of US hate from many TL members and you just have to roll with it.
br0t0ss
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia92 Posts
December 31 2011 07:18 GMT
#836
Australia - RandyChuggs
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
December 31 2011 07:27 GMT
#837
In my opinion, it's definitely Sweden, and I don't think many would disagree.
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 07:46:33
December 31 2011 07:43 GMT
#838
Sweden, China. Sweden in terms of notoriety, but honestly, there are some serious monsters lurking in the Chinese scene. That Zerg who played MVP in the finals of WCG was far more terrifying than any foreigner I've ever seen competing in Korea thus far. I'm only sorry I forgot his name before starting this, and even more sorry that I'm in a hurry to burn one and don't care to check.

EDIT: Xi Gua
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Resonance
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada113 Posts
December 31 2011 07:43 GMT
#839
1)Sweden for sure: Thorzain, nani and jinro. No Sase morrow and the others aren't that great.
2)USA: IdrA(pronounced ih-dra, kinda like idiot), Sheth
3) Canada: HuK, combatex, HairZerg(firezerg)
something high)France: definitely not. You have stephano kbye
I play protoss because it's imbalanced. :D
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
December 31 2011 07:50 GMT
#840
Canada I think has the best individual player with HuK, with a Strong Follow-up in Kiwikaki.

Sweden has a strongest Top 5 in total...

So I think comes down to what the match was. Pokemon style, I'd take Canada. If it was set matchups, Sweden.

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