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BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
May 08 2011 23:35 GMT
#261
Sweden,Ukraine and from there its a little harder for me to deside. When looking at amount of players compared to the amount of top gamers produced some countries should be doing far far better :X
theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
May 08 2011 23:35 GMT
#262
USA, EG > all foriegn teams.
thebullfrog
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
May 08 2011 23:36 GMT
#263
I think ATM the swedes are holding down #1. They were good in BW too, on iccup they were always on of the top countries.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Bacondemon
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden149 Posts
May 08 2011 23:36 GMT
#264
It's hard to tell, but if you disregard earnings, medals, population etc and go purely for lineup (like BoX team format) my list would look something like this:

1. Sweden - a lineup of Jinro, Sjow, Naniwa, Morrow, Thorzain (Lalush, Bischu, Haypro) both has huge depth and starpower.

2. Ukraine - The beastly four, White-ra, Dimaga, Strelok and Kas, these names have been dropped again and again in this thread, all extremely solid players with a good mix of races. Yeah, that does look very scary indeed, but it doesn't have the much depth, are there other good Ukrainian players?

3. Germany - German efficiency, right: Socke, Hasuobs, Goody, TLO, Darkforce (Mondragon) makes for a solid, stable, always performing line-up, but lacks a bit of punch, if Germany had a real superstar like White-ra they'd be on top of my list.

4. Canada - Huk, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, Slush (Stalife, dde) is looking very good also, the three protoss all being monsters.

5. Poland - Everyone seems to forget Poland! Mana and Tarson backed by players like Nerchio and Diestar makes for a dangerous lineup, with both some starpower and solidity.

6. France - Moman, Saracens, Adelscott, Stephano seems like a light version of the Ukraine lineup, with the same solidity, but lacking some real punch

7. USA - I got stuck for a while after "Idra,", but USA has an nearly unlimited pool of upcoming talent, and could at any moment explode into being a top tier country, right now the line-up would perhaps look something like this: Idra, Qxc, Incontrol, Cruncher, which isn't looking bad, but not too hot either

8. Russia - My knowledge of the Russian scene is limited, but power players like Brat_ok and the new face Happy along with lesser known, but surely talented players out of Russia could do pretty good

9. Finland - Finland could scrape together a great, solid lineup with Namaa, Satiini and Elfi.

10. Holland - Grubby and Ret have strong backs, they could carry many lesser players and still do well.

venage
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden65 Posts
May 08 2011 23:37 GMT
#265
Sweden have dominated the foreigner scene throughout sc2 with jinro and haypro attacking korea with various success and morrow battleing it out in both germany and finland while sjow took on the ukrainians on their homesoil and won. Jinro and Naniwa both claiming an MLG title in America.
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And now a thorzain and naniwa claiming nr 1 and 2 in the tsl
with pure titles Sweden is extremely far a head from the rest of the foreigners with Korea the only real place left to conquer.

1,Korea
2,Sweden
3.Usa
4.Ukraine
5.Germany

imo. but I'm biased
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
May 08 2011 23:40 GMT
#266
On May 09 2011 08:37 venage wrote:
Sweden have dominated the foreigner scene throughout sc2 with jinro and haypro attacking korea with various success and morrow battleing it out in both germany and finland while sjow took on the ukrainians on their homesoil and won. Jinro and Naniwa both claiming an MLG title in America.
+ Show Spoiler +
And now a thorzain and naniwa claiming nr 1 and 2 in the tsl
with pure titles Sweden is extremely far a head from the rest of the foreigners with Korea the only real place left to conquer.

1,Korea
2,Sweden
3.Usa
4.Ukraine
5.Germany

imo. but I'm biased



as you should be. you are fielding some badass players atm.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
May 08 2011 23:40 GMT
#267
As much as I want to see nation vs nation events, I fear that most nations have enough good players to compete. Some have not enough players and some have not enough that are really good.

As Idra and as far as I heard Sheth say, the player level in the EU Battlenet is higher than in the US.
Kind of sad, that.


On a more cheerful note, I find it hilarious that most people who mention germany don´t mention TLO first, but Darkforce/Socke/Goody, probably depending on their race bias.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 23:42:38
May 08 2011 23:40 GMT
#268
On May 09 2011 08:15 Navillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:04 thirnaz wrote:
Sweden probably atm, and thats quite weird seeing how we have less citizens in our entire country then there is in new york (:


And it's Sweden for the same reason that Sweden has a better education system on average than the US, the average person in your country would be upper middle class if not higher in the US while the average US citizen is probably lower middle class if not working class, the Swedish government has much less to deal with than the US and it's people do too. (less taxes in addition to the fact that they're already making more on average)

This is not true according to random graph on wikipedia, Sweden has one of the highest tax % in the world.

The reason could honestly be many. You could just as easily argue that atheism is responsible (both Skorea and Sweden have 50%< atheists.) but its pointless as arguing why since it is simply not something you can prove.

Also Poland and Finland is pretty good, I think that they may be able to compete with of the "t2" countries.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
hongo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
207 Posts
May 08 2011 23:44 GMT
#269
I'd probably have to say Sweden but the US might have a chance with Idra, InControl, and Tyler. Would be interesting to see a tournament!
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 23:54:46
May 08 2011 23:46 GMT
#270
America
LiquidTyler
EGiNcontroL
EGIdrA
DAY9! <-----Win.
FXOSheth
FXOqxc
EDIT: Forgot about SelecCt (Sorry SELECT)
Probably Sweden though.
GrandMaster Terran NA Server / Mod @ justin.tv/incontrol
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 08 2011 23:47 GMT
#271
Sweden, Ukraine, Germany, Canada, USA, France

Then pick two out of Poland, Russia, Finland, Holland

And you've got a pretty sweet 8 member tournament.
bananafisho
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
23 Posts
May 08 2011 23:48 GMT
#272
Sweden has to be number 1 with a lineup that includes names like Thorzain, Naniwa, Jinro.
Though Ukraine and Germany are pretty hot too.



KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
May 08 2011 23:49 GMT
#273
USA has Idra, Select, Tyler, qxc, Incontrol, Sheth and dozens more seriously good players.

Of course, Sweden is just ridiculous though. Naniwa, Morrow, Sjow, Jinro...
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ePAttack
Profile Joined September 2010
United States112 Posts
May 08 2011 23:53 GMT
#274
On May 09 2011 04:00 Horse...falcon wrote:
Ukraine's pretty beastly.

WhiteRa, Dimaga, Strelok, Kas


Sweden's probably the winner

Morrow, Jinro, Thorzain, Naniwa, Sjow


Canada

Huk, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, lots of others

Germany

TLO, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Socke



Thanks for taking the time to make a list.
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
May 08 2011 23:57 GMT
#275
This should be settled with a Team Based Tournament of Sweden vs USA :D Top 6 Players. 5 Matches (Additional player to choose who to match who) Would be cool but due to lag would be very hard to actually determine who is the actual better team.
GrandMaster Terran NA Server / Mod @ justin.tv/incontrol
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
May 09 2011 00:00 GMT
#276
On May 09 2011 07:57 Twistacles wrote:
Sweden an Ukraine are tied, with Canada/Germany/USA are a notch under. France/China/Thailand would probably be another notch under


Wait, why Thailand?
G.K.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States105 Posts
May 09 2011 00:00 GMT
#277
Korea = Sweden = Ukraine > Germany = Canada > USA

not biased
Hearthstone // LoL
Jhax
Profile Joined July 2010
Ireland201 Posts
May 09 2011 00:04 GMT
#278
Ireland IMO. We're a step ahead of everyone else, we're too good for your amateur NASL and ESL...
Fast and Free
dmans
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden358 Posts
May 09 2011 00:06 GMT
#279
On May 09 2011 09:00 G.K. wrote:
Korea = Sweden = Ukraine > Germany = Canada > USA

not biased

UK have 2gd, the greatest host ever

and the english archon.

but i can agree that sweden and ukraine are in the top.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
May 09 2011 00:06 GMT
#280
On May 09 2011 08:49 KevinIX wrote:
USA has Idra, Select, Tyler, qxc, Incontrol, Sheth and dozens more seriously good players.

Of course, Sweden is just ridiculous though. Naniwa, Morrow, Sjow, Jinro...

Select is Korean...
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
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