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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 01:49:23
January 16 2013 01:48 GMT
#7781
I don't get it. People break the news because it's the news and people want to hear. If Slasher gets wind of something, why wouldn't he publish it? People get to know and his website gets views. It's not like we all didn't spend half the day F5ing EG's crashed website when they put up the JD page anyway.

Sounds like Garfield is just mad that some of his thunder got stolen because his organization sucks at keeping a lid on inside info.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 16 2013 01:48 GMT
#7782
demuslim alt tabbing, checking facebook.

idra looking like he's playing a ladder game :D
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
January 16 2013 01:48 GMT
#7783
On January 16 2013 10:44 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:40 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:33 corpuscle wrote:
Alex is just ripping Slasher apart, this is hilarious.

There is more to "good for esports" than just "good for the teams". Slasher has been breaking this news on Gamespot. That's a huge site, that reaches a huge number of people. and has showed little interest in esports in the past. Just how happy are Gamespot with the page views Slasher's articles are getting? Pretty happy I would expect. Encouraging mainstream gaming sites like Gamespot to get further involved in esports can only be a good thing. Not to mention that Slasher has his own career to look out for. How many people can make a successful career out of esports journalism? That being possible is an important step forward too. Listening to Alex right now, he is basically saying "if it's not good for us then it's not good for esports". Sour grapes.

Journalists pissing people off by leaking information is nothing new. It's an arms race and if teams are losing then that's their problem and it's not Slasher's responsibility to back off for him. Don't expect the fans who just want to get the news to side against Slasher either.


He can post it on Gamespot after the team announces it. Other media outlets do it all the time.


Breaking the news first is a huge deal. He can write his article after and get a fraction of the views. And that's the basis for Alex's annoyance, that he isn't getting the biggest slice of the pie.


That doesn't support your "he's getting views for ESPORTS on Gamespot!" argument, though. If he was reaching some audience that otherwise wouldn't be seeing it, then it would not matter in the least if he waits until EG posts their announcement. He's not. He gets views from Reddit and TL who go to his Gamespot, people who would have gone to the team website instead.


The more successful his articles are, the more Gamespot is pleased with their investment, the more likely they will be to expand their eSports coverage, to further invest in it, to potentially to spread it to many who are unfamiliar with it. Slasher getting hugely successful eSports articles on huge gaming sites like Gamespot is fantastic for everyone involved in the industry. Even if Alex is too short sighted to see it.
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
January 16 2013 01:48 GMT
#7784
yeah well he got his point across but theres no reason to insult slasher that way
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
January 16 2013 01:49 GMT
#7785
On January 16 2013 10:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:46 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
This is worse than when Destiny came on.

only if slasher says they are bad and hangs up like a bitch.

Alex did that.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
January 16 2013 01:49 GMT
#7786
There is no point trying to counter argue in ITG if they are so clearly EG biased. Of course Alex wouldn't want people to leak his team's info.. What is there even to discuss? You can't have a real discussion when 4/5 people there are blatantly in favor of one position because of their jobs..
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 16 2013 01:49 GMT
#7787
Hahahaha, this guy talking who isn't Slasher is coming across as really childish.

"i'm done with you, you burned that bridge"

LOL!

This is eSports. I just hope not too many people watched this. Oh man. Embarrassing.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
January 16 2013 01:49 GMT
#7788
This is a pretty interesting discussion so far. The problem is this issue has gotten personal for the people involved, so keeping it neutral is kind of hard.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7789
On January 16 2013 10:38 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:35 Finrod1 wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:33 corpuscle wrote:
Alex is just ripping Slasher apart, this is hilarious.


I feel the "save esports train" is in full mode. Journalism doesnt needs to justify in front for anyone. Its journalism. It's not endangering any human beeing so its legit...


He is being a complete hypocrite by calling Slasher selfish. Alex is also only thinking of his own interests here. Does anyone think for a second that he would be getting this worked up about it if it weren't HIS information being leaked? And justifying it by resorting to the old "killing esports" as if that and his own interests are one and the same.


That's exactly what I was thinking. EGAlex is only concerned about the bottom line, just like anyone else who's making a living.

It seems that in spite of the preface by DJWheat, Slasher was set up pretty hardcore, though he's probably had many chances to prepare counterarguments.

Everyone on EG is operating on the basis that something needs to change, and Slasher isn't. All EGAlex can do is say why things would work better his way, but it ultimately puts Slasher on a leash.

Alex's jabs at Slasher's work is lower than I expected. Lol the "bridge is burnt". Another EG bullying--this time by the big boss.
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7790
Oh wow.. Burned bridge :S

Well if Alex actually offered an exclusive interview with JD and Slasher never got back to him, and instead leaked the news, then Slasher really fucked up imo.
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7791
lol TB is coming on now? This gets better and better!
Rocor
Profile Joined January 2011
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 01:51:10
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7792
Interesting debate on jounalism..

One thing that wasn't said, the value that a journalist does bring,is somewhat more unbiased reporting than press releases from the direct sources.

Slasher may be rough around the edges but his reporting is much less biased than most official information released by teams such as EG..

Dune, the building of
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7793
On January 16 2013 10:49 Glurkenspurk wrote:
There is no point trying to counter argue in ITG if they are so clearly EG biased. Of course Alex wouldn't want people to leak his team's info.. What is there even to discuss? You can't have a real discussion when 4/5 people there are blatantly in favor of one position because of their jobs..

it was 99% 1 on 1 discussion as alex said for his players to keep there mouths shut....
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 01:52:28
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7794
I have to say, I have a problem with Slasher's journalism. That's not to say I believe journalists should keep a tight lip because of organizations or people wanting to control their own PR, but I believe that journalists should, at the very least, have some integrity in making their own work quality.

A lot of Slasher's leaks/news releases are in the form of quick snippets or single line tweets with absolutely no context, no relevant information, no history, no back-story, or even anything that shows the slightest amount of research or care about the information he's been given.

In many ways, he's like that guy posting "First" on every single article, who cares more about what order he's in than writing/speaking about engaging, interesting content...and frankly, that's unacceptable for anyone in any kind of writing job.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7795
On January 16 2013 10:49 dubRa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:46 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
This is worse than when Destiny came on.

only if slasher says they are bad and hangs up like a bitch.

Alex did that.

not even close to what destiny did.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
January 16 2013 01:50 GMT
#7796
I agree with most of what Alex said but I also love knowing everything ASAP!
xPliCt
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany143 Posts
January 16 2013 01:51 GMT
#7797
On January 16 2013 10:49 Goibon wrote:
Hahahaha, this guy talking who isn't Slasher is coming across as really childish.

"i'm done with you, you burned that bridge"

LOL!

This is eSports. I just hope not too many people watched this. Oh man. Embarrassing.


Well this is the game slasher plays. You can go on and leak everything you hear, you get attention this way, but when nobody else profits from this you lose your sources and your fucked earlier or later
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
January 16 2013 01:51 GMT
#7798
On January 16 2013 10:50 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2013 10:38 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:35 Finrod1 wrote:
On January 16 2013 10:33 corpuscle wrote:
Alex is just ripping Slasher apart, this is hilarious.


I feel the "save esports train" is in full mode. Journalism doesnt needs to justify in front for anyone. Its journalism. It's not endangering any human beeing so its legit...


He is being a complete hypocrite by calling Slasher selfish. Alex is also only thinking of his own interests here. Does anyone think for a second that he would be getting this worked up about it if it weren't HIS information being leaked? And justifying it by resorting to the old "killing esports" as if that and his own interests are one and the same.


That's exactly what I was thinking. EGAlex is only concerned about the bottom line, just like anyone else who's making a living.

It seems that in spite of the preface by DJWheat, Slasher was set up pretty hardcore, though he's probably had many chances to prepare counterarguments.

Everyone on EG is operating on the basis that something needs to change, and Slasher isn't. All EGAlex can do is say why things would work better his way, but it ultimately puts Slasher on a leash.

Alex's jabs at Slasher's work is lower than I expected. Lol the "bridge is burnt". Another EG bullying--this time by the big boss.


Because fucking over just about the only guy who is actually managing to make a career out of esports journalism is a fantastic step forward for the industry.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 16 2013 01:52 GMT
#7799
oh shit TB burying that poster on stream.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
January 16 2013 01:52 GMT
#7800
On January 16 2013 10:50 dangerjoe wrote:
Oh wow.. Burned bridge :S

Well if Alex actually offered an exclusive interview with JD and Slasher never got back to him, and instead leaked the news, then Slasher really fucked up imo.


I would agree with this. Slasher's answer was "I didn't need it, only wanted the news", so it sounds like that's what happened to me.

Journalists can get a lot of publicity by doing interviews, opinion pieces, and by doing actual work. Simply leaking news is the lowest thing a journalist can do.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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