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On October 24 2012 10:43 mjnbowlgod wrote:
Destiny TY for trying to defend SC,I love your commitment to this game, I feel your passion ...this is your job.Your out there legitimately training and If SC doesnt succeed you wont have a job. Wheat will always have a job in Esports.....whether SC fails or not he will simply cast the next game,you dont have that luxury so I get it.
So and Destiny cant go do something else then SC2? Or is Wheat just that much more awesome and does have a brain, now i think of it... yes he does.
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On October 24 2012 10:41 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:39 jmbthirteen wrote:
Its what we have been doing for 2 years and despite this doom and gloom bullshit, things have been going pretty damn well. That's a great philosophy while in decline: Just keep going! We can last another year guys, like, at least! Maybe two! Omg! So much StarCraft 2 ahead of us!
except the decline isnt as severe as people are making it out to be. people look at peak viewership as everything, when it actually means little. the important thing is unique viewership and the average viewing time. and viewership numbers in general are just one thing that needs to be looked at in the scene. This year we saw EG pick up a huge sponsorship in RaidCall, lead by their sc2 team btw. We saw coL open up a house for their players. Liquid continued to strengthen their roster. We see MLG giving away way more money in sc2. DH held additional tournaments for sc2. NASL is looking stronger than ever.
This "decline" people always talk about is peak viewership. which means next to nothing. Fucking NBC Sports Network's highest peak viewership last week was 147k. 147k peak viewership on a cable sports network. We just had a tournament with over 100k. The sky isn't falling.
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Tonight, my friends, we have witnessed the evil of factions in the form of very passionate individuals expressing vastly different opinions without restraint.
James Madison was truly onto something. Now how can we harness this knowledge to benefit and unite the community instead of allowing the negativity to persist and divide and harm the community?
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the whole discussion was a piece of crap ;D as soon as destiny got mad i noped out of the episode asap. dont even care what happened.
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On October 24 2012 10:47 neurosx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:43 mjnbowlgod wrote:
Destiny TY for trying to defend SC,I love your commitment to this game, I feel your passion ...this is your job.Your out there legitimately training and If SC doesnt succeed you wont have a job. Wheat will always have a job in Esports.....whether SC fails or not he will simply cast the next game,you dont have that luxury so I get it. Yeah destiny isn't the type of guy to stream the game where he has the most views right .. so biased
Thats why hes living at the MOW house specifically practicing SC2 , cause he cares about his views.
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On October 24 2012 10:42 Shirohige wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:36 JPSke wrote:
I think it is complete bullshit that they are shitting on Destiny for trying to do something, anything to get Blizzard's attention when they acknowledge everything he said is a problem and yet Blizzard isn't making any more than token efforts to address them. Then they have the gall to mock the community's pitiful attempts to help things, tweeting, etc, as being ineffectual, when the same method they've been proclaiming to be "THE RIGHT WAY" has accomplished jack and shit itself. At some point, if you want to effect real change, maybe you have to make some waves. If no one with any real influence is gong to do anything about it I guess the community will just have to continue with the pitiful, ineffective methods you guys seem to take so much glee in making fun of.
I'm not even a Destiny fan but it's about time someone tried to get this community to try and do something about this, and it clearly isn't going to be the people on this show. You are really not getting it at all. They are not shitting on him for trying to do something. They want to do something themselves. That's what they are all about, doing something. They just stated that yelling at Blizzard isn't the only and probably not the best way. How can you not get that? They want to do something too, just like Destiny, but in another way.
Their way can only achieve modest success. Fixing the problems without Blizzard is like trying to come up with a more efficient way of cleaning up dog poop from your lawn rather than confronting your neighbor for taking his dogs into your yard to take a crap. It may make you feel better or achieve some minor improvement to the situation but unless you actually confront the people responsible you aren't really addressing the problem.
The choice is simple:
A) Make the best of the situation as is, try to make things better, hope Blizzard decides to make a change. Pretend the major issues impacting the community without Blizzard's direct intervention aren't as important as they really are.
B) Find a way to get Blizzard's attention.
If all the important people within the community have already decided on A then we're all wasting our time. Sure the game can survive as it is, but it can't thrive, and if Blizzard isn't going to take any action does it really deserve all the time and effort people are putting into it?
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Thanks! Congratz on your shoutouts!
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DJ Wheat inviting Destiny on Inside the Game to talk about SC2 and Blizzard was about as constructive as JP McDaniels inviting Avilo on State of the Game to talk about Terran and balance.
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On October 24 2012 10:50 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:47 neurosx wrote:On October 24 2012 10:43 mjnbowlgod wrote:
Destiny TY for trying to defend SC,I love your commitment to this game, I feel your passion ...this is your job.Your out there legitimately training and If SC doesnt succeed you wont have a job. Wheat will always have a job in Esports.....whether SC fails or not he will simply cast the next game,you dont have that luxury so I get it. Yeah destiny isn't the type of guy to stream the game where he has the most views right .. so biased Thats why hes living at the MOW house specifically practicing SC2 , cause he cares about his views.
Is he? Every time I see the stream up it's either marked as misc or LoL.
This whole thing reeks of destiny begging for more attention.
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Can't believe Incontrol & Idra just told Destiny to go back to lol and high-five themselves afterward. How mature of them :/
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On October 24 2012 10:53 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Can't believe Incontrol & Idra just told Destiny to go back to lol and high-five themselves afterward. How mature of them :/
It wasn't but he deserved it
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On October 24 2012 10:46 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:36 OblivionMage wrote:
Amazing that incontrol and idra said they've given up on Blizzard doing anything while admitting that SC2 viewers are down while LoL viewers are (way) up (and that total viewers are up (like that means anything at all)). They're saying that SC2 is totally doomed unless HotS does something to stop the viewer bleed. Then, they berate Destiny for 'going all-in on Blizzard', and for 'being negative' (yeah, they're being totally positive, guys).
Are they completely retarded? At least Destiny is trying to change something instead of sitting on his EG salary bragging about getting a raise while bragging about his 'debate background'. Unbelievable behavior from Incontrol, I held him in higher regard.
Painuser was reasonable, as always, and djWHEAT was too emotionally invested to really say much. hes advocating doing the same thing we've been doing for the last two years, just being a lot more bombastic and obnoxious about it. hes not trying to change anything. he just wants attention.
Well if it does not work try again, but more obnoxious. I guess worked for his SC2 career. So he wants to try it here too :D
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now I was not into the BW scene at all - but as far I've let myself understand, BW was pretty dead outside of Korean for a long time..
so why exactly is BW put on this pedestal as the ideal, when the discussion is about mass appeal and growing the audience?
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On October 24 2012 10:46 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:36 OblivionMage wrote:
Amazing that incontrol and idra said they've given up on Blizzard doing anything while admitting that SC2 viewers are down while LoL viewers are (way) up (and that total viewers are up (like that means anything at all)). They're saying that SC2 is totally doomed unless HotS does something to stop the viewer bleed. Then, they berate Destiny for 'going all-in on Blizzard', and for 'being negative' (yeah, they're being totally positive, guys).
Are they completely retarded? At least Destiny is trying to change something instead of sitting on his EG salary bragging about getting a raise while bragging about his 'debate background'. Unbelievable behavior from Incontrol, I held him in higher regard.
Painuser was reasonable, as always, and djWHEAT was too emotionally invested to really say much. hes advocating doing the same thing we've been doing for the last two years, just being a lot more bombastic and obnoxious about it. hes not trying to change anything. he just wants attention.
To be honest, as someone who was writing posts about how shit Blizzard was two years ago, I feel like the only thing that will change their path is poor HotS sales. These forum posts are probably as futile as anything has ever been.
If you look at Starcraft 2 from a business perspective, they haven't had a gauge on their success since initial release. Maybe there have been less people playing in league games, but will that rebound during HotS (like it does whenever they release a new Call of Duty game)? I think it's out of our control entirely (its' very difficult to say how well HotS will sell from our current perspective at TL), and we'll just have to wait and see.
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On October 24 2012 10:53 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:53 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Can't believe Incontrol & Idra just told Destiny to go back to lol and high-five themselves afterward. How mature of them :/ It wasn't but he deserved it
why does he deserve that?
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On October 24 2012 10:51 JPSke wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:42 Shirohige wrote:On October 24 2012 10:36 JPSke wrote:
I think it is complete bullshit that they are shitting on Destiny for trying to do something, anything to get Blizzard's attention when they acknowledge everything he said is a problem and yet Blizzard isn't making any more than token efforts to address them. Then they have the gall to mock the community's pitiful attempts to help things, tweeting, etc, as being ineffectual, when the same method they've been proclaiming to be "THE RIGHT WAY" has accomplished jack and shit itself. At some point, if you want to effect real change, maybe you have to make some waves. If no one with any real influence is gong to do anything about it I guess the community will just have to continue with the pitiful, ineffective methods you guys seem to take so much glee in making fun of.
I'm not even a Destiny fan but it's about time someone tried to get this community to try and do something about this, and it clearly isn't going to be the people on this show. You are really not getting it at all. They are not shitting on him for trying to do something. They want to do something themselves. That's what they are all about, doing something. They just stated that yelling at Blizzard isn't the only and probably not the best way. How can you not get that? They want to do something too, just like Destiny, but in another way. Their way can only achieve modest success. Fixing the problems without Blizzard is like trying to come up with a more efficient way of cleaning up dog poop from your lawn rather than confronting your neighbor for taking his dogs into your yard to take a crap. It may make you feel better or achieve some minor improvement to the situation but unless you actually confront the people responsible you aren't really addressing the problem. The choice is simple: A) Make the best of the situation as is, try to make things better, hope Blizzard decides to make a change. Pretend the major issues impacting the community without Blizzard's direct intervention aren't as important as they really are. B) Find a way to get Blizzard's attention. If all the important people within the community have already decided on A then we're all wasting our time. Sure the game can survive as it is, but it can't thrive, and if Blizzard isn't going to take any action does it really deserve all the time and effort people are putting into it?
Very well said, quoted for truth.
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On October 24 2012 10:54 CrugerDK wrote:
now I was not into the BW scene at all - but as far I've let myself understand, BW was pretty dead outside of Korean for a long time..
so why exactly is BW put on this pedestal as the ideal, when the discussion is about mass appeal and growing the audience?
Because people eat this nostalgic crap up. Same way as the 1%, #saveW/E, It tooks too long for them to fix anything crap. :D
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[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 11:00 Seldentar wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 10:51 JPSke wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 10:42 Shirohige wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 10:36 JPSke wrote:
I think it is complete bullshit that they are shitting on Destiny for trying to do something, anything to get Blizzard's attention when they acknowledge everything he said is a problem and yet Blizzard isn't making any more than token efforts to address them. Then they have the gall to mock the community's pitiful attempts to help things, tweeting, etc, as being ineffectual, when the same method they've been proclaiming to be "THE RIGHT WAY" has accomplished jack and shit itself. At some point, if you want to effect real change, maybe you have to make some waves. If no one with any real influence is gong to do anything about it I guess the community will just have to continue with the pitiful, ineffective methods you guys seem to take so much glee in making fun of.
I'm not even a Destiny fan but it's about time someone tried to get this community to try and do something about this, and it clearly isn't going to be the people on this show. [/QUOTE]
You are really not getting it at all. They are not shitting on him for trying to do something. They want to do something themselves. That's what they are all about, doing something. They just stated that yelling at Blizzard isn't the only and probably not the best way.
How can you not get that? They want to do something too, just like Destiny, but in another way.[/QUOTE]
Their way can only achieve modest success. Fixing the problems without Blizzard is like trying to come up with a more efficient way of cleaning up dog poop from your lawn rather than confronting your neighbor for taking his dogs into your yard to take a crap. It may make you feel better or achieve some minor improvement to the situation but unless you actually confront the people responsible you aren't really addressing the problem.
The choice is simple:
A) Make the best of the situation as is, try to make things better, hope Blizzard decides to make a change. Pretend the major issues impacting the community without Blizzard's direct intervention aren't as important as they really are.
B) Find a way to get Blizzard's attention.
If all the important people within the community have already decided on A then we're all wasting our time. Sure the game can survive as it is, but it can't thrive, and if Blizzard isn't going to take any action does it really deserve all the time and effort people are putting into it? [/QUOTE]
Agreed
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