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Anyone else wish ITG had another person? Maybe an occasional "guest" appearance (specifically pro player).
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PainUser is great. It would be hard to find another T to withstand the stupid word twisting by Incontroll. He can make even Machine look like ass, last time he was on. So I wish him well I am happy he can be on most of the time.
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On September 12 2012 09:01 nface wrote:
Painuser definitly not needed on the show. Can only keep saying that... he shouldn't be invited ever..
If I see him on the show again I'll have to stop watching it.
If I were you I'd call the sponsors as well.
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PainUser likes talking tonight.
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On September 12 2012 09:27 Corrupted wrote:
PainUser likes talking tonight.
Which would not be a problem even in the slightest if he didn't make it sound so awkward every single time. I can't help but cringe a little every time he says something rather misguided, gets corrected and then goes back to "oh I completely agree". It's just painful to listen to but thankfully the content of the show is worth it.
It seems as though he has no chemistry with none of the other guys on the show and just interjects at random times with more or less unnecessary things.
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PainUser likes talking every night. And always. And he always needs to get a word in. Sometimes it's nice, sometimes it's... not as much.
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On September 12 2012 09:31 Nimic wrote:
PainUser likes talking every night. And always. And he always needs to get a word in. Sometimes it's nice, sometimes it's... not as much.
I don't know...this seems like a whole 'nother level.
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On September 12 2012 09:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
I don't have any reason to actually hate PainUser, in fact this is the first time I listen to him in a very, very long time. Yet I have to say he sounds extremely awkward. And I know it's a somewhat overused word on the internet, but seriously. It seems to me like he tries to say something funny or insightful and is then shot down back to earth really hard (without any passive-aggressiveness or negativity from the EG guys or Wheat) and it's pretty awkward.
Again, not to bash him but I feel like it needs saying.
On a different note, I found myself agreeing with a lot of what IdrA had to say about HotS. That's interesting. ^^
Exactly how I feel, thanks for taking the time and writing it down.
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Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs!
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Wow I am wondering if the grammar or logic is the most screwed up part of the statement.
I have to go with logic, because I am not a grammar nazi. Please do try to reverse arguments if you do not understand them. If there is zero relevance between idra making a commercial and his skill, then there is no truth in your statement.
Also Jaedong, Flash a quite possibly even MVP has been on several talk shows and commercials and videos. It is just the fact, that they waste it so much. Even Fruitdealer has more exposure than MVP and he retired long time ago.
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On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs!
I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it.
He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way.
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On September 12 2012 09:03 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
I don't have any reason to actually hate PainUser, in fact this is the first time I listen to him in a very, very long time. Yet I have to say he sounds extremely awkward. And I know it's a somewhat overused word on the internet, but seriously. It seems to me like he tries to say something funny or insightful and is then shot down back to earth really hard (without any passive-aggressiveness or negativity from the EG guys or Wheat) and it's pretty awkward.
Again, not to bash him but I feel like it needs saying.
On a different note, I found myself agreeing with a lot of what IdrA had to say about HotS. That's interesting. ^^
Got to agree. Awkward and uninteresting, adds nothing to the show imo. I'd rather see qxc or maybe demuslim take his place. Or why not let an up and coming american terran get a shot?
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On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way.
Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP.
Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content":
- Nestea
- MVP
- MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it)
- MarineKing (same thing - reddit loves him but there's no weekly marineking youtube series)
- Violet
- Dongraegu
- Boxer
- ..
To imply that all these people are 'dry as shit' is more xenophobic western esports talk, basically. If the korean audience cared more about marketing than gameplay, there would be a marineking sitcom airing every night of the week. It's been said a million times, but it's a cultural difference. Top korean players aren't incapable of performing for cameras and that side of things...they just don't care about it and don't need to.
The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us"
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On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us"
His entire rant was a response to the criticism of the idea that EG players sacrificing being better players in order to put this content out there. If you really think that these sorts of things are the only gap between being incontrol and being MVP then I don't know what to tell you. You are taking one simple sentance of something he said to drive a point home and trying to start an argument about it. I dont understand.
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On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - MarineKing (same thing - reddit loves him but there's no weekly marineking youtube series) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. To imply that all these people are 'dry as shit' is more xenophobic western esports talk, basically. If the korean audience cared more about marketing than gameplay, there would be a marineking sitcom airing every night of the week. It's been said a million times, but it's a cultural difference. Top korean players aren't incapable of performing for cameras and that side of things...they just don't care about it and don't need to. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us"
Koreans don't care about performing for cameras?
Quick, pass on a memo that ceremonies and manner mules and all that are now banned. And let's not forget group selections, they aren't allowed anymore.
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On September 12 2012 10:14 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us" His entire rant was a response to the criticism of the idea that EG players sacrificing being better players in order to put this content out there. If you really think that these sorts of things are the only gap between being incontrol and being MVP then I don't know what to tell you. You are taking one simple sentance of something he said to drive a point home and trying to start an argument about it. I dont understand.
I'm trying to start a discussion, because that didn't happen on the show. If people are so interested in discussing the inner workings of the esports industry, this is a perfect topic to debate. Every time it comes up, though, EG has the definitive answer (the stephano video, Incontrol filibustering on ITG...). It's boring and completely transparent.
On September 12 2012 10:15 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - MarineKing (same thing - reddit loves him but there's no weekly marineking youtube series) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. To imply that all these people are 'dry as shit' is more xenophobic western esports talk, basically. If the korean audience cared more about marketing than gameplay, there would be a marineking sitcom airing every night of the week. It's been said a million times, but it's a cultural difference. Top korean players aren't incapable of performing for cameras and that side of things...they just don't care about it and don't need to. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us" Koreans don't care about performing for cameras? Quick, pass on a memo that ceremonies and manner mules and all that are now banned.
Firebathero went dancing on the beach after he won a tournament.
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weird all the EG koreans are dry as shit as well
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On September 12 2012 10:16 yeastiality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:14 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us" His entire rant was a response to the criticism of the idea that EG players sacrificing being better players in order to put this content out there. If you really think that these sorts of things are the only gap between being incontrol and being MVP then I don't know what to tell you. You are taking one simple sentance of something he said to drive a point home and trying to start an argument about it. I dont understand. I'm trying to start a discussion, because that didn't happen on the show. If people are so interested in discussing the inner workings of the esports industry, this is a perfect topic to debate. Every time it comes up, though, EG has the definitive answer (the stephano video, Incontrol filibustering on ITG...). It's boring and completely transparent. Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:15 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - MarineKing (same thing - reddit loves him but there's no weekly marineking youtube series) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. To imply that all these people are 'dry as shit' is more xenophobic western esports talk, basically. If the korean audience cared more about marketing than gameplay, there would be a marineking sitcom airing every night of the week. It's been said a million times, but it's a cultural difference. Top korean players aren't incapable of performing for cameras and that side of things...they just don't care about it and don't need to. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us" Koreans don't care about performing for cameras? Quick, pass on a memo that ceremonies and manner mules and all that are now banned. Firebathero went dancing on the beach after he won a tournament.
He performed for a camera.
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On September 12 2012 10:17 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:16 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:14 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us" His entire rant was a response to the criticism of the idea that EG players sacrificing being better players in order to put this content out there. If you really think that these sorts of things are the only gap between being incontrol and being MVP then I don't know what to tell you. You are taking one simple sentance of something he said to drive a point home and trying to start an argument about it. I dont understand. I'm trying to start a discussion, because that didn't happen on the show. If people are so interested in discussing the inner workings of the esports industry, this is a perfect topic to debate. Every time it comes up, though, EG has the definitive answer (the stephano video, Incontrol filibustering on ITG...). It's boring and completely transparent. On September 12 2012 10:15 walklightwhat wrote:On September 12 2012 10:10 yeastiality wrote:On September 12 2012 10:07 Leth0 wrote:On September 12 2012 09:59 yeastiality wrote:
Did you seriously just say MVP is 'dry as shit'?
I know western esports is all about "growing your brand" and other buzzwords, but the dude is the king of SC2. You almost make it sound like it's more important to be a reddit celebrity than it is to excel at the game.
Uggghhh. There are a lot of people who think someone winning the GSL is a much bigger event than 100 new EG youtube videos. To basically declare that they're wrong and don't understand "business models" is really intellectually dishonest (reminder: you're on a talk show). Should probably get somebody on the show with a different perspective so it isn't all softballs! I have been watching the same show and I never heard him say that. Maybe you are reading into what he's saying in a way just so you can complain about it. He made a simple comment about MVP not doing the same type of content because he is "dry as shit". I happen to agree with him in the fact that, of the koreans, MVP doesn't come off as the most charismatic. Maybe someone like an MC. But you are assuming to much from one simple comment that was said in a pretty straightforward way. Well, maybe they should address more players than just MVP. Here, I'll list some people who are wildly successful in SC2 and don't "produce content": - Nestea - MVP - MC (he's a "personality" but doesn't spend time acting in commercials and go to great lengths to justify it) - MarineKing (same thing - reddit loves him but there's no weekly marineking youtube series) - Violet - Dongraegu - Boxer - .. To imply that all these people are 'dry as shit' is more xenophobic western esports talk, basically. If the korean audience cared more about marketing than gameplay, there would be a marineking sitcom airing every night of the week. It's been said a million times, but it's a cultural difference. Top korean players aren't incapable of performing for cameras and that side of things...they just don't care about it and don't need to. The 'other side' to this topic is completely worth discussing, but instead it was just used as a springboard for EG promotion. Again, this is why you need someone from outside western esports. Put on Hwanni or Mr. Chae and see if they agree with what Incontrol said. Even if they do, I bet they would have a much more interesting way of explaining it than saying "actually, this is why EG is the best and everyone else wishes they were us" Koreans don't care about performing for cameras? Quick, pass on a memo that ceremonies and manner mules and all that are now banned. Firebathero went dancing on the beach after he won a tournament. He performed for a camera.
Yes, after he won a tournament. He excelled at his craft, and then celebrated.
He didn't just celebrate nothing and try to hang out with the other guys winning tournaments like he's their equal.
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