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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 09 2012 13:43 blade55555 wrote: Incontrol said something about huk tweeting something bad and got in trouble for it any details on that? Never heard of that :o. Only thing I can think of is when he tweeted "Nigga" Could be wrong though. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
BOGGLES THE MIND | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:07 Duravi wrote:If the recent weeks have shown anything, it is that going straight to the sponsors is the BEST way to get your point across, and most effective way to bring about change. By doing this you are undermining weeks/months of communication between teams and sponsors to set up a relationship in the first place. And for what? To punish somebody you have never met for behaving the same way that any anonymous individual can behave on the internet? Going to sponsors as a first resort is just silly. Maybe everything shouldn't be handled in-house (so to speak), but it should be the first thing that happens. People aren't saying "only go to sponsors for positive things!", they're saying "if you're going to talk to sponsors about negative things, please talk to them about positive things as well". | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:07 Duravi wrote: I honestly don't understand the whole debate about contacting sponsors. If the recent weeks have shown anything, it is that going straight to the sponsors is the BEST way to get your point across, and most effective way to bring about change. All these points about esports being a fragile industry are completely moot, if you are a consumer and want to get your point across you go to the sponsors. The fact that people in esports want us to contact sponsors about positive things but handle negative things internally, screams of hypocrisy, and ultimately is not what is going to happen. If people don't like something you are doing they will bitch at your sponsors, deal with it, because that is what the reality is. If Incontrol thinks he can convince people to do otherwise, he is dreaming. Keep in mind, sponsors don't fall off trees like in main stream athletic sports. It's hard for teams to obtain sponsors, let alone maintain them for a long period of time. This industry is not shitting money, so we have to be careful. If you go directly to the sponsors, you run the risk of them pulling their support of a team and in the process you hurt the innocent members of the team simply because of one guy who's considered offensive. And as Geoff mentioned on ITG, you run the risk of that same sponsor who supports other teams from pulling their support of them as well. That being said, you should still voice your concerns absolutely. Personally, I would go to the player first, then the team, and if no action is taken....then well, maybe sponsors as a last resort. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:12 iNcontroL wrote: duravi never ceases to amaze me. He has 0 experience in esports, no idea of how things work and he is consistantly wrong on all things regarding esports yet he still posts like anybody cares. BOGGLES THE MIND hey incontrol lets hang out :D But in all seriousness I think going directly to the sponsers is not a good thing to do. I think we should let teams police themselves. I think the better way of handling destiny was going to quantic's team bosses and saying "hey this player is saying these things on his stream and its offensive" but another solution is just simply don't tune into his stream? As far as I know no one at an MLG has totally said offensive things to another player at an event and if they had they most likely would be banned from the event. Sometimes this community bothers me with how we over react to things. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:22 HeeroFX wrote: Sometimes this community bothers me with how we over react to things. it's not unique to this community, but most communities know better than to attack the bottom line of the industry around which it is formed. | ||
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dronefarm
United States260 Posts
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:07 Duravi wrote: I honestly don't understand the whole debate about contacting sponsors. If the recent weeks have shown anything, it is that going straight to the sponsors is the BEST way to get your point across, and most effective way to bring about change. All these points about esports being a fragile industry are completely moot, if you are a consumer and want to get your point across you go to the sponsors. The fact that people in esports want us to contact sponsors about positive things but handle negative things internally, screams of hypocrisy, and ultimately is not what is going to happen. If people don't like something you are doing they will bitch at your sponsors, deal with it, because that is what the reality is. If Incontrol thinks he can convince people to do otherwise, he is dreaming. It is clear that contacting sponsors "work". In the sense that you can likely get a certain team member fired if enough people complain loudly enough. However it usually comes with far larger consequences, that it seems most people do not even imagine, and I feel that this may be what incontrol is just trying to get us to keep in mind. Yes it got orb and destiny fired, and if you feel they deserved that, then ok. However what it also did is that it gave certain sponsors a bad image of sc2 esports as a whole. You think Razer would have tried to establish an open training house if they got racist complaints every week. Do you feel it would make them more inclined to sponsor more in esports? How about newer or smaller sponsors who may not be as understanding as Razer? We never really see what could have been if we had all been positive and nice all around, but I suspect it would only be better than the present state of affairs. And with orb he got fired and certainly felt like he was being punished, but if you are doing this to "punish" destiny you are going about it the wrong way. As has been said countless times Destiny basically could care less whether he is on quantic's roster. In fact this whole situation has likely helped his popularity (measured in ad revenue) once his TL ban expires. The only people you could possibly hurt by contacting sponsors in this case is people who are not Destiny. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On May 09 2012 10:55 Hashbaz wrote: Episode 41 MP3 is up Soundcloud: http://snd.sc/JesHPc Torrent: http://db.tt/MdmdtHO9 http://itg-audio.blogspot.com/2012/05/inside-game-41.html hashbaz hashbaz hashbaz! | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:04 Dosey wrote: Only thing I can think of is when he tweeted "Nigga" Could be wrong though. No way lol omg if he got in trouble for that rofl  | ||
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Aakoz
Sweden45 Posts
 Though you guys should have talked about 4-0 Morrow - Idra and Kiwikaki retired also. | ||
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RedBack
Australia102 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:07 Duravi wrote: I honestly don't understand the whole debate about contacting sponsors. If the recent weeks have shown anything, it is that going straight to the sponsors is the BEST way to get your point across, and most effective way to bring about change. All these points about esports being a fragile industry are completely moot, if you are a consumer and want to get your point across you go to the sponsors. The fact that people in esports want us to contact sponsors about positive things but handle negative things internally, screams of hypocrisy, and ultimately is not what is going to happen. If people don't like something you are doing they will bitch at your sponsors, deal with it, because that is what the reality is. If Incontrol thinks he can convince people to do otherwise, he is dreaming. So your confused as to why they want you to say positive and not negative things to the people providing the money keeping any of this afloat? its not hypocrisy its fucking logic asshat | ||
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TheSir
1830 Posts
On May 09 2012 14:17 ThreeActPlay wrote: By doing this you are undermining weeks/months of communication between teams and sponsors to set up a relationship in the first place. And for what? To punish somebody you have never met for behaving the same way that any anonymous individual can behave on the internet? Going to sponsors as a first resort is just silly. Maybe everything shouldn't be handled in-house (so to speak), but it should be the first thing that happens. People aren't saying "only go to sponsors for positive things!", they're saying "if you're going to talk to sponsors about negative things, please talk to them about positive things as well". Everything about this is just ridiculous.... Who the hell wants to talk to sponsors anyway? Only in esports people care about silly stuff like this. Why would i care about sponsors and who sponsors what? There is no reason to care about sponsors as a consumer and there's no reason to talk to sponsors as a consumer. For example why would i thank a sponsor? Again there is no reason to do so. It's business, a sponsor puts money in something to get something out of it and if a company/organization stops sponsoring then to bad, another one will step in and if they dont and you cant get any sponsors then you might think about the future cause maybe there isn't one. And complaining to sponsors about things they dont have jack to do with is even more ridiculous, thats the job of the teams and sponsors but i guess people like the feeling thinking they are important when they do silly things like this, but in fact no one cares about it but themselves and well ok the other braindead idiots. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On May 09 2012 20:24 RedBack wrote: So your confused as to why they want you to say positive and not negative things to the people providing the money keeping any of this afloat? its not hypocrisy its fucking logic asshat Nowhere did I say it was a good thing, and clearly the teams don't want any negative feedback going to their sponsors. The thing is, they can't control it. So why whine about it? No matter what Incontrol says, people are still going to complain to sponsors if they see something they don't like. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On May 10 2012 00:56 Duravi wrote: Nowhere did I say it was a good thing, and clearly the teams don't want any negative feedback going to their sponsors. The thing is, they can't control it. So why whine about it? No matter what Incontrol says, people are still going to complain to sponsors if they see something they don't like. Yeah, why try to change the community for the better, right? | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:02 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Yeah, why try to change the community for the better, right? If you think four guys on a talk show are going to change the attitude of an entire community, the majority of which probably doesn't even watch the show, then I don't know what to tell you. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On May 09 2012 17:21 blade55555 wrote: No way lol omg if he got in trouble for that rofl afaik that is actually the reason. First tweet was like : "hey I want to join that TB my nigga" and a couple of hours later he apologized and tweeted "Dear TB, I would like to join that." or something similar. IIRC it was for TB's Monobattles tournament (was definitely something with TotalBiscuit at least). But yeah, even though it was a joke EG's management took it seriously and ever since HuK has never said anything similar. Ordered the J!NX hoodie Wheat was wearing last show. That was one badass hoodie :p | ||
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