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NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
November 17 2011 21:45 GMT
#3121
On November 18 2011 06:31 Philosophy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:16 djfoxmccloud wrote:
On November 17 2011 10:23 iNcontroL wrote:


I'm going to blow your mind here as well: Steve Jobs didn't invent the iPhone O_O


Actually he is noted as one of the inventor in the biggest iPhone patent :/


Steve Jobs just stole things and put them in a pretty case. Ask Xerox about it.


Someone who actually knows what they're talking about?!!?! Get off the internet sir, we have no time for people like you.
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
November 17 2011 22:02 GMT
#3122
On November 17 2011 10:48 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 10:44 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
On November 17 2011 10:16 IdrA wrote:
On November 17 2011 10:10 -_- wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote:
On November 16 2011 10:49 figq wrote:
On November 16 2011 10:27 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Calls Bisu an innovator - gets shut down. Hard.
Well it's kind of true, that what Bisu did was rather making a build viable, when nobody thought it was, because of his superior mechanics. He's not inventor of the build itself, but is the one to perfect and make it work.

But at the same token - we could have many of those in SC2 too. There are so many builds that seem unreasonable at the moment, but in the hands of the gods could become suddenly possible and powerful, because they execute them so well.


We recognized he made it popular but he did not invent the build which is what the caller was asking about...


I can't separate execution and strategy as easily as you. For me to attribute a build to a player, he has to execute it at the highest level of play. If this wasn't the case, then we'd have to rename the Bisu Build the "RandomNewbieFrom1999" build.

As far as I know, nobody else used FE Corsair DT as an every game strategy at the highest level of play before Bisu. Thus, he invented the build.

they couldnt do it every game because they couldnt do it well enough to not have significant holes in their play, that doesnt mean he invented it

Bisu wasn't an inventor. He was a Revolutionist. He took a fairly obvious concept (use corsairs to kill detection) and executed it perfectly (move in with dts and have funnnn ^^). Hell, I remember trying this too before I even knew there was a progaming scene. It made sense to me (granted I did it on 1 base with my gosu 30 apm at that time lol) but Bisu made it a viable strategy at the top level of play.

Same actually goes for July actually. Muta micro was actually around before he did it (don't remember who came up with it, but it wasn't july haha). He just popularized it.

I just don't like how idra 'pshed' bisu Hes so cute.

ya they both popularized things that other people, other progamers, were already doing.

This might be a little different, but I think it's still fair to call the build the "bisu build" even if he didn't invent it. In high level chess a lot of times lines are named after and given credit to players who did the most work to get them to work and who popularized them. This is actually why some openings have two names like the "Fischer/Sozin" attack in the sicilian (there are some technicalities here, but it's not important).

My point is really that it's still reasonable to call Bisu the inventor of that build (assuming it wasn't a coach who forced him to play it) if he was the one who made it work. We generally give credit to inventions to those who actually make them work, not those who just have the idea (i.e. Newton / Liebnitz invented calculus even if someone else had the idea for the basic framework 20 years before).
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
Vertig0
Profile Joined March 2009
United States196 Posts
November 17 2011 22:06 GMT
#3123
I usually just download the videos from twitch.tv and convert them to mp3. DjWheat, do you mind if I post download links to mp3s created this way when the official ones aren't up within a couple days? Or would you like me to send you the mp3s to make the process of uploading them to iTunes easier?
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DARKHYDRA
Profile Joined September 2006
United States303 Posts
November 17 2011 23:39 GMT
#3124
On November 18 2011 06:09 oneofthem wrote:
invention involves not merely doing something but doing that something to great effect. so the first dude to successfullly rape face with a strat can be called the inventor pretty fairly.


So let's say for example that you are an up coming comedian, you write some jokes, you get on stage and perform them and you get an ok result from the crowds. Now in the audiance is a world famous comedian, he takes your jokes and performs them on live television and due to his experiance and time in the industry he has better delivery and performance with your material and therefore more success.

Now is it fair to say that the famous comedian is the creator of the jokes that you thought up?
LingBlingMuta
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States382 Posts
November 19 2011 09:49 GMT
#3125
On November 18 2011 08:39 DARKHYDRA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:09 oneofthem wrote:
invention involves not merely doing something but doing that something to great effect. so the first dude to successfullly rape face with a strat can be called the inventor pretty fairly.


So let's say for example that you are an up coming comedian, you write some jokes, you get on stage and perform them and you get an ok result from the crowds. Now in the audiance is a world famous comedian, he takes your jokes and performs them on live television and due to his experiance and time in the industry he has better delivery and performance with your material and therefore more success.

Now is it fair to say that the famous comedian is the creator of the jokes that you thought up?



Dane Cook?
The Gracken shall be re-released... Soon
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 11:20:59
November 19 2011 11:20 GMT
#3126
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
November 20 2011 00:48 GMT
#3127
Not to sound ungrateful but could we get the VODS up to date and have the whole show...
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
November 20 2011 00:53 GMT
#3128
On November 20 2011 09:48 lim1017 wrote:
Not to sound ungrateful but could we get the VODS up to date and have the whole show...

the vods are already up on twitch. I think they get instantly uploaded
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
November 20 2011 00:54 GMT
#3129
On November 20 2011 09:53 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 09:48 lim1017 wrote:
Not to sound ungrateful but could we get the VODS up to date and have the whole show...

the vods are already up on twitch. I think they get instantly uploaded

Watching raw VODs on Twitch isn't exactly pleasant. Getting them up on Blip.tv is what goes to iTunes etc where most people prefer to get the VODs from.
JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 17:25:30
November 21 2011 14:13 GMT
#3130
Will there be an ITG this week?


edit:

nvm

djWHEAT djWHEAT
Would anyone else love to hear @EGiNconroL go more in depth on his TL BLOG (bit.ly/sAnot7) tonight on @iTG_SC2???
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
November 23 2011 00:03 GMT
#3131
where is the stream?
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
November 23 2011 00:04 GMT
#3132
Dont think they are online yet.
WarrickHunt
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 00:08:42
November 23 2011 00:04 GMT
#3133
I have an awsome idea, plan show for 10 minutes to the hour, start on the hour = $$$
fatworthlessvirgin
Profile Joined November 2011
United States34 Posts
November 23 2011 00:13 GMT
#3134
1 person show? lmfao
I am literal scum.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
November 23 2011 00:14 GMT
#3135
On November 23 2011 09:13 fatworthlessvirgin wrote:
1 person show? lmfao


But its Incontrol!

I can listen to that guy all day long.
SeRenExZerg
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States401 Posts
November 23 2011 00:14 GMT
#3136
and off goes the stream.....


how the hell does a 1 person ITG work? rofl
One thing about deer: They have good vision. One thing about me: I am better at hiding than they are at vision.
fatworthlessvirgin
Profile Joined November 2011
United States34 Posts
November 23 2011 00:25 GMT
#3137
On November 23 2011 09:14 SeRenExZerg wrote:
and off goes the stream.....


how the hell does a 1 person ITG work? rofl


yea I'm sorry the show's unbearable. DJwheat is like gold league, and while a good personality, doesn't know much about the game and Incontrols winrate the past 6 months is like less than 40%
I am literal scum.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
November 23 2011 00:28 GMT
#3138
On November 23 2011 09:25 fatworthlessvirgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 09:14 SeRenExZerg wrote:
and off goes the stream.....


how the hell does a 1 person ITG work? rofl


yea I'm sorry the show's unbearable. DJwheat is like gold league, and while a good personality, doesn't know much about the game and Incontrols winrate the past 6 months is like less than 40%


Maybe do some research yourself before critizising the knowledge of others......
Meself
Profile Joined February 2011
Estonia552 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 00:35:04
November 23 2011 00:34 GMT
#3139
People should realize that most of the gamers aren't your "PR guy" type. Those rare charismatic people among us are the ones who run ITG and other such shows.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 00:48:53
November 23 2011 00:37 GMT
#3140
On November 23 2011 09:28 DaCruise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 09:25 fatworthlessvirgin wrote:
On November 23 2011 09:14 SeRenExZerg wrote:
and off goes the stream.....


how the hell does a 1 person ITG work? rofl


yea I'm sorry the show's unbearable. DJwheat is like gold league, and while a good personality, doesn't know much about the game and Incontrols winrate the past 6 months is like less than 40%


Maybe do some research yourself before critizising the knowledge of others......

(P)iNcontroL has a total winrate of 33.7%. 24% during the last 6 months. He isn't wrong. Not very nice perhaps.. but not wrong.

You can't deny that Wheat isn't very good at the game >_>
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