EPTOn November 17 2011 09:12 monXikk wrote:
http://pl.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/300112891
http://pl.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/300112891
Thank you so much. Any idea how to get this in the future?
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Cross.
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Thank you so much. Any idea how to get this in the future? | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:39 Cross. wrote: Thank you so much. Any idea how to get this in the future? http://twitch.tv/OneMoreGameTV Click under the video player a small "VIDEOS" on the left. Every show is archived there automatically, even if it's not always properly named, it will be there. You can easily see if the vod you want is there cause it's indicated "XX hours ago". | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On November 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: We recognized he made it popular but he did not invent the build which is what the caller was asking about... I can't separate execution and strategy as easily as you. For me to attribute a build to a player, he has to execute it at the highest level of play. If this wasn't the case, then we'd have to rename the Bisu Build the "RandomNewbieFrom1999" build. As far as I know, nobody else used FE Corsair DT as an every game strategy at the highest level of play before Bisu. Thus, he invented the build. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 16 2011 12:52 setzer wrote: Bisu may not be the sole innovator of the PvZ style he used back in 2007 to detheone Savior but his style TODAY is unlike anything else we have seen in the past or present. To call Bisu stupid (as Idra had done in the past) and a player who only gets by on mechanics is extremely disrespectful and completely untrue. Next he said Jaedong also isn't an innovator. As a former zerg I expect you to call him out on this Geoff since that simply isn't true. Jaedong changed the way zergs looked at ZvP with his 3 hatch spire > 5 hatch. Just that alone is pretty borderline of all the improvements Jaedong highhandedly to all zerg matchups. Honestly innovation isn't just about creating something even if it fails. People call Destiny innovative but it isn't like he was the first person on Earth to make almost only pure infestor, he was just the first to make it work at the top level. Bisu made Sair/DT builds work against modern day zerg players and it then became the defacto build in the matchup. But I guess that doesn't qualify him as an innovator because DaezanG did it in some practice games beforehand? That's silly. in theory you're right, you're just wrong about the details. professional players used both the builds you mentioned with success in televised games before bisu and jaedong made them popular, they just did them a lot better. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:10 -_- wrote: I can't separate execution and strategy as easily as you. For me to attribute a build to a player, he has to execute it at the highest level of play. If this wasn't the case, then we'd have to rename the Bisu Build the "RandomNewbieFrom1999" build. As far as I know, nobody else used FE Corsair DT as an every game strategy at the highest level of play before Bisu. Thus, he invented the build. they couldnt do it every game because they couldnt do it well enough to not have significant holes in their play, that doesnt mean he invented it | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I'm going to blow your mind here as well: Steve Jobs didn't invent the iPhone O_O | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:10 -_- wrote: I can't separate execution and strategy as easily as you. For me to attribute a build to a player, he has to execute it at the highest level of play. If this wasn't the case, then we'd have to rename the Bisu Build the "RandomNewbieFrom1999" build. As far as I know, nobody else used FE Corsair DT as an every game strategy at the highest level of play before Bisu. Thus, he invented the build. I'm pretty sure the 'bisu build' involves more than just FEing and making Corsairs and DTs. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:16 IdrA wrote: they couldnt do it every game because they couldnt do it well enough to not have significant holes in their play, that doesnt mean he invented it Bisu wasn't an inventor. He was a Revolutionist. He took a fairly obvious concept (use corsairs to kill detection) and executed it perfectly (move in with dts and have funnnn ^^). Hell, I remember trying this too before I even knew there was a progaming scene. It made sense to me (granted I did it on 1 base with my gosu 30 apm at that time lol) but Bisu made it a viable strategy at the top level of play. Same actually goes for July actually. Muta micro was actually around before he did it (don't remember who came up with it, but it wasn't july haha). He just popularized it. I just don't like how idra 'pshed' bisu  Hes so cute. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:44 sGs.Kal_rA wrote: Bisu wasn't an inventor. He was a Revolutionist. He took a fairly obvious concept (use corsairs to kill detection) and executed it perfectly (move in with dts and have funnnn ^^). Hell, I remember trying this too before I even knew there was a progaming scene. It made sense to me (granted I did it on 1 base with my gosu 30 apm at that time lol) but Bisu made it a viable strategy at the top level of play. Same actually goes for July actually. Muta micro was actually around before he did it (don't remember who came up with it, but it wasn't july haha). He just popularized it. I just don't like how idra 'pshed' bisu Hes so cute.ya they both popularized things that other people, other progamers, were already doing. | ||
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SidewinderSC2
United States236 Posts
Ultimately, people just have to accept that Bisu won and was able to pull that stuff off because he was really, really good. It's not like you can just run a build in BW (or even Starcraft 2 by this point) and get really deep into tournaments. | ||
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Durn
Canada360 Posts
Did anyone watch Tyler on EU last week when he was fighting his way up from Plat/Diamond? He was doing some pretty crazy shit and was making it look super feasible, almost unbeatable (the phoenix/obs/DT PvP style). Now, if I took that onto the ladder (Platinum), I would get crushed 90% of the games. This concept applies to Bisu's mechanics being so far above everyone else's who had tried that build. | ||
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Cross.
45 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:43 MrCon wrote: http://twitch.tv/OneMoreGameTV Click under the video player a small "VIDEOS" on the left. Every show is archived there automatically, even if it's not always properly named, it will be there. You can easily see if the vod you want is there cause it's indicated "XX hours ago". Oh k, it wasn't there until recently then. Thought there was some way to get it before it showed up here maybe (the delay for this episode was ~ 16 hours? Dont know what causes it to be longer or shorter from the time of original air date). | ||
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Vinck
England20 Posts
Cheers dudes! | ||
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busbarn
Sweden984 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:04 BioGenie wrote: is it just me or was the current "lastest" ISTG podcast / bliptv upload cut short? yea, the itunes podcast was cut short at 1:09:08 when Painuser was answering the inControl question | ||
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DARKHYDRA
United States303 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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djfoxmccloud
France185 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:23 iNcontroL wrote: I'm going to blow your mind here as well: Steve Jobs didn't invent the iPhone O_O Actually he is noted as one of the inventor in the biggest iPhone patent :/ | ||
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Philosophy
186 Posts
On November 18 2011 06:16 djfoxmccloud wrote: Actually he is noted as one of the inventor in the biggest iPhone patent :/ Steve Jobs just stole things and put them in a pretty case. Ask Xerox about it. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On November 18 2011 06:31 Philosophy wrote: Steve Jobs just stole things and put them in a pretty case. Ask Xerox about it. iPhotocopier???? | ||
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