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koolaid1990
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On August 25 2011 06:39 koolaid1990 wrote: The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build. oohhh, so foreigner n00bs on this forum think it's OP because they play against pro korean terrans on ladder? righttt.... | ||
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Binabik
Germany686 Posts
On August 25 2011 06:43 bLah. wrote: oohhh, so foreigner n00bs on this forum think it's OP because they play against pro korean terrans on ladder? righttt.... No, they think it's OP because they're watching the best sc2 players get beaten by it on GSL. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On August 25 2011 06:18 hrvoje07 wrote: I don't like EG that much, but please get demuslim instead of painuser, demuslim is awesome in explaining tactics (i watched his stream) . Sorry, but painuser is simply outdated and just a mediocre NA terran I don't know if we can call Painuser even mediocre, he's clearly going the caster route instead of being an active player. That means he won't really fit the concept of the show no more (ask questions from pros of each race). Demuslim would be an excellent replacement, if he is interested in doing it. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 25 2011 06:43 bLah. wrote: oohhh, so foreigner n00bs on this forum think it's OP because they play against pro korean terrans on ladder? righttt.... No, people think it's OP because they see some of the best Protoss on the planet get raped with it. We can assume that they're trying their best (because money and fame is on the line) and that the players are relatively even on skill (given that they are meeting in the same stage of the tournament). When you see someone like MC (undisputed best Protoss in the world) who practices 12 hours a day try and fail defending 1-1-1 all in (especially when he knows it's coming), I find it hard to believe that he didn't come across the simple counter of 3 gate expo. In general I think 3 gate expo is pretty bad because without tech the Terran can just delay the push and get up a huge amount of Marines and then comes a point where the DPS would just own Protoss massing gateway units. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On August 25 2011 03:00 Joseph123 wrote: I understood few things from the show today. Apparently IdrA claims that his teammate Axslav is saying this build is easy to stop. I would love to see replays of that. I like Painuser's claim that you shouldn't get robo against that build and only if you scout cloak banshee you should (wonder how you are going to scout that). Axlav so Gosu. And he won't release replays until we mortals are ready for it. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On August 25 2011 06:39 koolaid1990 wrote: The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build. ...yeah, they play shitty NA terrans, they don't have fucking PuMa on their team who is kind of good at 1-1-1 It seemed to me like iNc didn't want to talk about his strategies for dealing with 1-1-1 because of MLG, I'm sure he knows the same techniques that Axslav and HuK have developed for countering it but it would be kind of stupid to say "yeah this is what I do against 1-1-1" right before a big tournament and give Terrans a couple days to find a way to deal with whatever he's doing. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I'm not the one that usually hates on pro gamers,but seriously PainUsers comment only shows how his mindset as a player works and I could make a "Idra type" comment here about his career looking at that quote but ill leave it.Ill just say,if that's your attitude,stick to commentating. I agree with him that the build is not OP,but his knowledge about its problematics from the protoss point of view,or even terran,was so lackluster he would have been better of keeping quite about it. Greg was just Greg,his comment,"That's sc2 for you" is oh well.......can't really fault him for it. Edit:Forgot to mention one more thing.Its quite funny that people say "People don't play Koreans so the 1-1-1 is not so strong".I don't see the difference between the Koreans doing a banshe/marine/tank build and some random master terran on the ladder.The build is pretty simple to execute and you can only fail if you try to get cute with it or something.If anything ladder players from my experience and what i saw from replays execute the build pretty much prefectly because its the only thing they do....Your bound to learn in after you do it X amount of times and its not like this build has a high skill cap.Its most deadly in its simplest and pure form and that's why people abuse it so much. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On August 25 2011 07:13 Moonling wrote: Unfortunately until Axlav wins a tournament or even gets out of a round of 64 i don't believe anything he says about sc2 I'm skeptical myself really...just due to the timings of the build I don't see the advantage of a 3gate expand as opposed to a 1gate expand. Not to mention 3gate expand is soo common, I find it odd that he has managed to find a "easy" solution given how much it has influenced the match up (read: Terran having 60% average win rate TvP in Korea/NA as of recently). But there is no need to belittle him. If he has a solution then let him show it. If it works he will have changed this match up from its current state. You don't have to take his word for it, but at least give him the chance to show it. It is not lack he lacks decent Terran practice partners, he must have something. Though right now I'm just hoping it isn't some kind of aggressive 3gate where he just runs up the ramp, crosses his fingers, hoping that the Terran is indeed doing a 1/1/1 and kills him with some funky unit composition | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
On August 25 2011 06:50 Condor Hero wrote:When you see someone like MC (undisputed best Protoss in the world) just a thought, how the hell is MC undisputed best protoss in the world if HE says that he didn't play at his best at that moment? Does he have some subscription on wins or? Maybe tournament organisers should just hand over that trophy to him as soon as he shows up because he is undisputed best protoss. wtf | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On August 25 2011 09:16 bLah. wrote: just a thought, how the hell is MC undisputed best protoss in the world if HE says that he didn't play at his best at that moment? Does he have some subscription on wins or? Maybe tournament organisers should just hand over that trophy to him as soon as he shows up because he is undisputed best protoss. wtf You guys are getting way off-topic here. The complaint is not who is the best, whether NA terrans are shit compared to Korean Terrans, or even if 1/1/1 is "imbalanced". The primary criticism of the show is they didn't have a real discussion about it, they completely ignored the contents of the Gisado post, and what they did talk about was either vague or demonstrably false (painuser on cloak and his pointless tangent into TvZ and TvT). Was still an entertaining show though, just didn't feel up to par with previous ones in the strategy/analysis/pro-player perspective department. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
Going into their blip.tv channel I could find newer episodes, but the most recent is still 9 days old >_< | ||
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
...and then he said don't get a Robo because "no one gets cloak" and "immortals aren't going to help you" ...and the best solution is make more Gateway units... you know, to replace all the ones that got blown up by Sieged Tanks and Cloaked Banshees since you didn't get a Robo. I facepalmed pretty hard. I'm not going to start bashing Axslav and InControl, I like both of them, and we're hearing Axslav's opinion second-hand which isn't the least bit fair to him anyway. I just wished they'd venture into the shark tank that is the Strategy Forum and tell us what we're all missing, and show us replays of how easy this is to deal with. Here's hoping MLG Raleigh gives us that insight. Edit: Also, apparently, a 200/200 upgrade is a steep price to pay for a chance at auto-winning the game. I chuckled. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 25 2011 07:23 Dommk wrote: I'm skeptical myself really...just due to the timings of the build I don't see the advantage of a 3gate expand as opposed to a 1gate expand. Not to mention 3gate expand is soo common, I find it odd that he has managed to find a "easy" solution given how much it has influenced the match up (read: Terran having 60% average win rate TvP in Korea/NA as of recently). But there is no need to belittle him. If he has a solution then let him show it. If it works he will have changed this match up from its current state. You don't have to take his word for it, but at least give him the chance to show it. It is not lack he lacks decent Terran practice partners, he must have something. Though right now I'm just hoping it isn't some kind of aggressive 3gate where he just runs up the ramp, crosses his fingers, hoping that the Terran is indeed doing a 1/1/1 and kills him with some funky unit composition the odd thing is when incontrol says its OP, while living in a house with axslav and training together. must be such a great solution that he decided to keep it to himself | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
On August 25 2011 23:29 StarscreamG1 wrote: Link to the last show? Someone? http://blip.tv/insidethegame/inside-the-game-e13-08-23-11-5493928 | ||
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