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koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
August 24 2011 21:39 GMT
#2381
The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build.
bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
August 24 2011 21:43 GMT
#2382
On August 25 2011 06:39 koolaid1990 wrote:
The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build.


oohhh, so foreigner n00bs on this forum think it's OP because they play against pro korean terrans on ladder? righttt....
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
August 24 2011 21:44 GMT
#2383
On August 25 2011 06:43 bLah. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 06:39 koolaid1990 wrote:
The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build.


oohhh, so foreigner n00bs on this forum think it's OP because they play against pro korean terrans on ladder? righttt....

No, they think it's OP because they're watching the best sc2 players get beaten by it on GSL.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
August 24 2011 21:48 GMT
#2384
On August 25 2011 06:18 hrvoje07 wrote:
I don't like EG that much, but please get demuslim instead of painuser, demuslim is awesome in explaining tactics (i watched his stream) . Sorry, but painuser is simply outdated and just a mediocre NA terran

I don't know if we can call Painuser even mediocre, he's clearly going the caster route instead of being an active player. That means he won't really fit the concept of the show no more (ask questions from pros of each race).

Demuslim would be an excellent replacement, if he is interested in doing it.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 21:50:44
August 24 2011 21:50 GMT
#2385
On August 25 2011 06:43 bLah. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 06:39 koolaid1990 wrote:
The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build.


oohhh, so foreigner n00bs on this forum think it's OP because they play against pro korean terrans on ladder? righttt....

No, people think it's OP because they see some of the best Protoss on the planet get raped with it.
We can assume that they're trying their best (because money and fame is on the line) and that the players are relatively even on skill (given that they are meeting in the same stage of the tournament).

When you see someone like MC (undisputed best Protoss in the world) who practices 12 hours a day try and fail defending 1-1-1 all in (especially when he knows it's coming), I find it hard to believe that he didn't come across the simple counter of 3 gate expo.

In general I think 3 gate expo is pretty bad because without tech the Terran can just delay the push and get up a huge amount of Marines and then comes a point where the DPS would just own Protoss massing gateway units.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 24 2011 21:54 GMT
#2386
On August 25 2011 03:00 Joseph123 wrote:
I understood few things from the show today.
Apparently IdrA claims that his teammate Axslav is saying this build is easy to stop. I would love to see replays of that.
I like Painuser's claim that you shouldn't get robo against that build and only if you scout cloak banshee you should (wonder how you are going to scout that).


Axlav so Gosu. And he won't release replays until we mortals are ready for it.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
August 24 2011 21:58 GMT
#2387
On August 25 2011 06:39 koolaid1990 wrote:
The foreigners don't think its OP because they don't play Korean terrans. People like Axslav and Incontrol play shitty NA terrans who don't know how to properly do the 1-1-1 build.


...yeah, they play shitty NA terrans, they don't have fucking PuMa on their team who is kind of good at 1-1-1

It seemed to me like iNc didn't want to talk about his strategies for dealing with 1-1-1 because of MLG, I'm sure he knows the same techniques that Axslav and HuK have developed for countering it but it would be kind of stupid to say "yeah this is what I do against 1-1-1" right before a big tournament and give Terrans a couple days to find a way to deal with whatever he's doing.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 22:26:15
August 24 2011 22:03 GMT
#2388
Well I have to say that I was not impressed by this episode.It had fun moments but I was disappointed,when the 111 issue came to question,that the discussion dissolved to snarky comments from IdrA and unconvincing reasoning from PainUser.Geoff was the only one that tried to explain from a P point of view why the build is so strong in the current metagame.Also PainUsers reasoning to not get a robo was pretty ironic."They get cloack only 1 out of 10 times so you don't really need it",Geoff responds with "Well I'd hate to rely on odds to win a game in a tournament".
I'm not the one that usually hates on pro gamers,but seriously PainUsers comment only shows how his mindset as a player works and I could make a "Idra type" comment here about his career looking at that quote but ill leave it.Ill just say,if that's your attitude,stick to commentating.
I agree with him that the build is not OP,but his knowledge about its problematics from the protoss point of view,or even terran,was so lackluster he would have been better of keeping quite about it.
Greg was just Greg,his comment,"That's sc2 for you" is oh well.......can't really fault him for it.

Edit:Forgot to mention one more thing.Its quite funny that people say "People don't play Koreans so the 1-1-1 is not so strong".I don't see the difference between the Koreans doing a banshe/marine/tank build and some random master terran on the ladder.The build is pretty simple to execute and you can only fail if you try to get cute with it or something.If anything ladder players from my experience and what i saw from replays execute the build pretty much prefectly because its the only thing they do....Your bound to learn in after you do it X amount of times and its not like this build has a high skill cap.Its most deadly in its simplest and pure form and that's why people abuse it so much.
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Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 22:13:53
August 24 2011 22:13 GMT
#2389
Unfortunately until Axlav wins a tournament or even gets out of a round of 64 i don't believe anything he says about sc2
1% of koreans control 99% of starcraft winnings. #occupykorea.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 22:25:22
August 24 2011 22:23 GMT
#2390
On August 25 2011 07:13 Moonling wrote:
Unfortunately until Axlav wins a tournament or even gets out of a round of 64 i don't believe anything he says about sc2

I'm skeptical myself really...just due to the timings of the build I don't see the advantage of a 3gate expand as opposed to a 1gate expand. Not to mention 3gate expand is soo common, I find it odd that he has managed to find a "easy" solution given how much it has influenced the match up (read: Terran having 60% average win rate TvP in Korea/NA as of recently).

But there is no need to belittle him. If he has a solution then let him show it. If it works he will have changed this match up from its current state. You don't have to take his word for it, but at least give him the chance to show it. It is not lack he lacks decent Terran practice partners, he must have something.

Though right now I'm just hoping it isn't some kind of aggressive 3gate where he just runs up the ramp, crosses his fingers, hoping that the Terran is indeed doing a 1/1/1 and kills him with some funky unit composition
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
August 24 2011 22:32 GMT
#2391
Axslav is bad he probably holds of the 1-1-1 by lZgamer whos even worse LOL
Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
August 24 2011 22:44 GMT
#2392
Maybe if toss tinkered with gas timings it can be solved, for instance how Z now uses late gas a lot and can hold a lot of things, a delayed gas to get out more gates? idk something like that
1% of koreans control 99% of starcraft winnings. #occupykorea.
bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 00:17:33
August 25 2011 00:16 GMT
#2393
On August 25 2011 06:50 Condor Hero wrote:When you see someone like MC (undisputed best Protoss in the world)


just a thought, how the hell is MC undisputed best protoss in the world if HE says that he didn't play at his best at that moment?

Does he have some subscription on wins or? Maybe tournament organisers should just hand over that trophy to him as soon as he shows up because he is undisputed best protoss.

wtf
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 01:01:45
August 25 2011 00:41 GMT
#2394
On August 25 2011 09:16 bLah. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 06:50 Condor Hero wrote:When you see someone like MC (undisputed best Protoss in the world)


just a thought, how the hell is MC undisputed best protoss in the world if HE says that he didn't play at his best at that moment?

Does he have some subscription on wins or? Maybe tournament organisers should just hand over that trophy to him as soon as he shows up because he is undisputed best protoss.

wtf


You guys are getting way off-topic here. The complaint is not who is the best, whether NA terrans are shit compared to Korean Terrans, or even if 1/1/1 is "imbalanced". The primary criticism of the show is they didn't have a real discussion about it, they completely ignored the contents of the Gisado post, and what they did talk about was either vague or demonstrably false (painuser on cloak and his pointless tangent into TvZ and TvT). Was still an entertaining show though, just didn't feel up to par with previous ones in the strategy/analysis/pro-player perspective department.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 07:04:10
August 25 2011 07:04 GMT
#2395
I demand an emergency episode on the PTR 1.4 changes!
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
August 25 2011 08:49 GMT
#2396
How can I watch this show? In the archive the latest episode is from 26th July...

Going into their blip.tv channel I could find newer episodes, but the most recent is still 9 days old >_<
Archontas
Profile Joined September 2010
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 16:28:30
August 25 2011 14:12 GMT
#2397
I know its been said about 300 times already, but I tuned into the show really hoping PainUser would have some great insights into how to hold the 1-1-1 in the PvT matchup...

...and then he said don't get a Robo because "no one gets cloak" and "immortals aren't going to help you" ...and the best solution is make more Gateway units... you know, to replace all the ones that got blown up by Sieged Tanks and Cloaked Banshees since you didn't get a Robo. I facepalmed pretty hard.

I'm not going to start bashing Axslav and InControl, I like both of them, and we're hearing Axslav's opinion second-hand which isn't the least bit fair to him anyway. I just wished they'd venture into the shark tank that is the Strategy Forum and tell us what we're all missing, and show us replays of how easy this is to deal with. Here's hoping MLG Raleigh gives us that insight.

Edit: Also, apparently, a 200/200 upgrade is a steep price to pay for a chance at auto-winning the game. I chuckled.
If you ban me, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
August 25 2011 14:14 GMT
#2398
On August 25 2011 07:23 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 07:13 Moonling wrote:
Unfortunately until Axlav wins a tournament or even gets out of a round of 64 i don't believe anything he says about sc2

I'm skeptical myself really...just due to the timings of the build I don't see the advantage of a 3gate expand as opposed to a 1gate expand. Not to mention 3gate expand is soo common, I find it odd that he has managed to find a "easy" solution given how much it has influenced the match up (read: Terran having 60% average win rate TvP in Korea/NA as of recently).

But there is no need to belittle him. If he has a solution then let him show it. If it works he will have changed this match up from its current state. You don't have to take his word for it, but at least give him the chance to show it. It is not lack he lacks decent Terran practice partners, he must have something.

Though right now I'm just hoping it isn't some kind of aggressive 3gate where he just runs up the ramp, crosses his fingers, hoping that the Terran is indeed doing a 1/1/1 and kills him with some funky unit composition


the odd thing is when incontrol says its OP, while living in a house with axslav and training together. must be such a great solution that he decided to keep it to himself
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
August 25 2011 14:29 GMT
#2399
Link to the last show? Someone?
Archontas
Profile Joined September 2010
United States319 Posts
August 25 2011 14:32 GMT
#2400
On August 25 2011 23:29 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Link to the last show? Someone?


http://blip.tv/insidethegame/inside-the-game-e13-08-23-11-5493928
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