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Hi TL,
I expected a thread on this already but a search for it came up empty. Pretty much, what I'm hoping for in a discussion/survey is this - how many hours weekly (in general) do you Master league players spend practicing and laddering on SC2, and how often do you practice with friends/partners rather than straight up ladder? What individual practice regimens do you find most helpful to maximizing the usefulness of your time?
The reason I ask (and a bit of background about me) is that for as much as I love Starcraft 2, I simply don't have a lot of time to play and my technological resources aren't that good. I work an average of 70 hours per week, have a social life, and I live in a historic building in the middle of nowhere and thus have to rely on Mobile Broadband (with its 5GB monthly limits) as my main internet connection, which makes purchasing coaching just not an option (at least until summer). This makes my average play time each week between 6 and 12 hours.
Despite all of this, I'm strongly passionate about improving my Random-playing low diamond/high platinum self enough to attain my goal of Masters. I'm aware that not sticking to a certain race is another thing that will slow my curve, yet I find exploring all of the different matchups intriguing as well as a way to keep the game from becoming stale - and after all, the game should be about fun, right?
Anyhow, enough about me - Masters players, I want to hear from you, post away!
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I can only speak for myself. I have around 50-50 ladder and costum games. This because I play Ladder games to win, while in costum games I can practice a bit more. Thus, obviously, I feel like I learn more from costum games. My biggest trouble, most of the time, is finding people to play against.
I also have school and work, which kinda eats into my playing time. It also varies depending on how much I can, and how much I can be arsed to actually play. But I don't think it would be wrong to say that I am logged into sc2 around 8 hours a day, and playing games for half of that time (I socialize a lot 
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I'm a low masters player (~350 pts atm, 3200 Last Season), and I generally spend about 1 hour laddering per day during the week, and on weekends I can spend 2-3 hours laddering per day. I have played for as long as 8 hours in one day, but that's not a regular thing. Dedicated practice sessions with my friends really depends on who is online and who needs practice vs a certain race, but generally I try to get at least 1 hour of practice a day on weekends vs whatever I'm currently having trouble against.
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2-3 hours per week.
Ladder.
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches.
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i play maybe between 0-20 games / month
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Hmm that is completely different per person tbh, the amount of time you play only hurts ur macro IMO.
Sometimes I don't play for a week, when I start playing again I do retarded shit like forgetting a pylon 7 minutes in the game and strange stuff like that.
But when I actually have too micro there is no problem at all.
The macro problem only stays for like 2-3 games tho then I'm back in the rhythm again ^^.
Also, there is effective and ineffective practice, if you just do some stuff and don't analyze ur losses u might have to play like 2/3 times more then if you would use ur time effective
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usually i play like 5-15 custom games a day with my practise partners, sometimes more and rarely none at all. as far as laddering goes it depends on how im playing. if i feel like im playing as well as i should and not making stupid mistakes all the time i might play about 20 ladder games in a day but sometimes i play so bad that i dont have motivation to play more than 1 game and them start playing custom :D
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I play about 5-10 hours a week, all ladder.
On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches.
I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest.
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On April 23 2011 23:44 Chill wrote:I play about 5-10 hours a week, all ladder. Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest.
I guess I inflated my %, it's more like 70%, my bad.
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A poll is always nice.
Poll: Masters - How many hours/week do you play?<2 hours (72) 33% 10-20 hours (41) 19% 2-5 hours (37) 17% 5-10 hours (34) 16% 20-40 hours (20) 9% >40 hours (11) 5% 215 total votes Your vote: Masters - How many hours/week do you play? (Vote): <2 hours
(Vote): 2-5 hours
(Vote): 5-10 hours
(Vote): 10-20 hours
(Vote): 20-40 hours
(Vote): >40 hours
EDIT: Are you not a master?
+ Show Spoiler +Just for fun Poll: Diamonds - How many hours/week do you play?<2 hours (11) 32% 5-10 hours (10) 29% 2-5 hours (9) 26% 10-20 hours (2) 6% 20-40 hours (1) 3% >40 hours (1) 3% 34 total votes Your vote: Diamonds - How many hours/week do you play? (Vote): <2 hours
(Vote): 2-5 hours
(Vote): 5-10 hours
(Vote): 10-20 hours
(Vote): 20-40 hours
(Vote): >40 hours
Poll: Platinums - How many hours/week do you play?5-10 hours (4) 40% 2-5 hours (3) 30% <2 hours (2) 20% 10-20 hours (1) 10% 20-40 hours (0) 0% >40 hours (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Platinums - How many hours/week do you play? (Vote): <2 hours
(Vote): 2-5 hours
(Vote): 5-10 hours
(Vote): 10-20 hours
(Vote): 20-40 hours
(Vote): >40 hours
Poll: Golds - How many hours/week do you play?<2 hours (4) 67% 2-5 hours (1) 17% >40 hours (1) 17% 5-10 hours (0) 0% 10-20 hours (0) 0% 20-40 hours (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Golds - How many hours/week do you play? (Vote): <2 hours
(Vote): 2-5 hours
(Vote): 5-10 hours
(Vote): 10-20 hours
(Vote): 20-40 hours
(Vote): >40 hours
Poll: Silvers - How many hours/week do you play?10-20 hours (2) 50% <2 hours (1) 25% 2-5 hours (1) 25% 5-10 hours (0) 0% 20-40 hours (0) 0% >40 hours (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Silvers - How many hours/week do you play? (Vote): <2 hours
(Vote): 2-5 hours
(Vote): 5-10 hours
(Vote): 10-20 hours
(Vote): 20-40 hours
(Vote): >40 hours
Poll: Bronzes - How many hours/week do you play?>40 hours (3) 50% <2 hours (2) 33% 5-10 hours (1) 17% 2-5 hours (0) 0% 10-20 hours (0) 0% 20-40 hours (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Bronzes - How many hours/week do you play? (Vote): <2 hours
(Vote): 2-5 hours
(Vote): 5-10 hours
(Vote): 10-20 hours
(Vote): 20-40 hours
(Vote): >40 hours
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very low average/week.
i barely play. i still had 600 bonus pool last season from taking2 months break and now again havent playd in 2 weeks.
but i understand the game quite well, my mechanics are good for low-mid masters and watching sc2 keeps me up2date on fotm builds. so i just play some from time to time and unless i get unlucky with cheese/buildorder gamble i do ok.
just masters isnt the exactly hard tho. at high-top masters its starts to get interesting.
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I spend about 10 hours a week playing SC2. If I had kids, then there would much less time to play SC2. If you are truly working 70 hours a week, then it seems you already have 0 time to play SC2.
Depending on how much time you have put in SC2 already would be an indicator of how much work you need to get to masters. Unless you have barely played the game, if you are platinum then it will take a huge amount of time to get to Masters. The spectrum of diamond players' abilties is huge. Its like going from Bronze to Diamond just to get from plat to top of diamond or low masters. I am saying this because it seems you are trying to determine how "far" you are from masters.
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Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest.
It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's.
Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing.
Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^
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You can make it into masters by putting more time into it, sure. That's what you wanted to hear I suppose.
However, what you also would like to know, how much time it will take for you, no one can really answer.
But with limited amount of time, you better optimize what you get out of each session, less team games, playing with the intention to better yourself, and best your opponent, and probably only laddering with the race you are most comfortable with, are examples.
Also, when I feel like I'm improving, playing custom games is a waste of ladder time. I could be laddering while I feel somewhat confident in that my play is on par with my current mmr.
I suspect your goal first and foremost is making into masters in as short a time as possible.
I did not mention build orders going for wins in less than 10 minutes, since it does not encourage much learning. Also, I did not mean to say custom games in general is a waste of time, just not until you know for certain you have hit a certain point where you learning curve has flattened out..
Have fun reaching masters.
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On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^
I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. For every 5-6 cheesey games, I get 1 legit one. Maybe it's just my MMR or bad luck, I don't know.
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6-12 hours per week is more than enough to reach / stay within masters for sure as long as you don't play on tilt or cheese/all in every game but you play your games in a "deliberate" fashion with clear plans. That is about 20-40 games more or less. Much more than what most people play including me
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On April 23 2011 23:50 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^ I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. For every 5-6 cheesey games, I get 1 legit one. Maybe it's just my MMR or bad luck, I don't know.
Maybe you are just using an overly broad definition of cheesy? Because even saying half of games are cheesy is a gross exaggeration in my view.
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I think the difficult part is to break the barrier into Masters.
To get the builds hammered out, basic macro, basic micro.
After you have achieved the mechanics, having average mouse control, and you get into Masters, it won't be difficult to stay there once you reach that point.
For instance i'm a high master in touch with top 200, and i could stop play 1 month and would still be able to stay @ mid master level if i inform me about the actual build / trends.
You won't lose all of your keyboard / mouse skills, you will get rusty, but not lose them completely.
Right now i play about 30-50 games per week and its sufficient for me to stay where i am.
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I played a bunch when the game first came out (about 200 games), but since then I play maybe 1 or 2 games a month - Mainly just when I get bored. NA masters really isnt hard, you just need decent mechanics to get into it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 23:50 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^ I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. For every 5-6 cheesey games, I get 1 legit one. Maybe it's just my MMR or bad luck, I don't know.
Before the ladder reset I at least had 9/10 games just being normal macro games. Since they reset though I get like 4/10 normal macro games. Which I find hilarious. On the topic though I play maximum of like 6 hours sc-2 per week now and I'm in high masters. Mostly ladder.
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1-15 hours per week (tho more towards the lower end of that the last months), really depends on my schedule and how I feel like. Ladder mostly.
~3800 masters last season
I'd say mechanics and just learning how to read your opponent are the most important for just 'getting' into masters, to climb higher you need to work on execution etc
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I just got 6 pooled, feels bad man.
So many pro macro players in Masters.
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Perhaps you shouldn't ask how many hours masters play per week. Perhaps you should ask how many hours did they play per week to get there. Because maintaining a skill level requires much less time and effort than obtain it, unless you're talking about top top, but even there it's debatable. So it's no surprise a lot of people putting stupid low amounts of hours per week.
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On April 23 2011 23:50 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^ I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious.
I'm not being "hilarious" - this is exactly what happens; either macro games or shorter games that end with a powerful 1 base push. Either your definition of "cheese" is way too broad, or you are not in master's league.
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On April 23 2011 23:57 Almin wrote:
I just got 6 pooled, feels bad man.
So many pro macro players in Masters.
I rarely see Ts or Zs cheesing, Protoss' do some retarded 1 base shit like every second game against me though.
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Just got 6 pooled again.
You think I'm fucking joking, but I'm sadly not.
On April 24 2011 00:02 natewOw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:50 Almin wrote:On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^ I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. I'm not being "hilarious" - this is exactly what happens; either macro games or shorter games that end with a powerful 1 base push. Either your definition of "cheese" is way too broad, or you are not in master's league.
6 pools, 4-5gate allin, marine/scv all in,
All day baby
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On April 23 2011 23:46 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:44 Chill wrote:I play about 5-10 hours a week, all ladder. On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. I guess I inflated my %, it's more like 70%, my bad.
I agree with Chill, I've been 6pooled/proxied twice since I reached master, where as in the lower leagues it's almost as common as in 2v2s. I suppose if you call 4gate cheese you get cheesed 33.3% of the time, if your a protoss player yourself.
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2 hours, sc2 is a really easy game and with basic understanding of RTS you should be able to get a good rating in masters with minimal effort.
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oO i play 3-4 a day and im only high diamond.. ok but i play since 3 weeks
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On April 24 2011 00:05 4Servy wrote:
2 hours, sc2 is a really easy game and with basic understanding of RTS you should be able to get a good rating in masters with minimal effort.
? Masters is top 2% so actually only 2% of everyone can be masters. If everyone had good macro/micro there would still only be 2% in masters.
I play about 3-4 games a day, masters.
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Don't buy coaching lessons unless you are well off financially, make sure you watch educational videos and lots of replays when you are not playing. There is no way around getting good other than plenty of practice and game experience. You'll reach master eventually if you play often enough, even if it's not in a year's time. There is a reason why progamers have to work so hard as well in order to be good at this game.
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Under two hours. I played WC3 at a high level and put considerably more time into it.
The biggest 'secret' isn't being able to spend time to mass games, or crunch strategies, it's just being able to learn from your mistakes and analyze what you did wrong. If you can regularly and cleanly analyze and fix flaws in your play, you'll rank up way, way faster.
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Since season 2 I must have been cheesed like 3 or 4 times in 100 or so games.
Unless you count 1 base terran pushes, 2 base protoss/zerg all ins as cheese ?
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On April 24 2011 00:07 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 00:05 4Servy wrote:
2 hours, sc2 is a really easy game and with basic understanding of RTS you should be able to get a good rating in masters with minimal effort. ? Masters is top 2% so actually only 2% of everyone can be masters. If everyone had good macro/micro there would still only be 2% in masters. I play about 3-4 games a day, masters.
anyone who played RTS at a decent level before, wether it be broodwar, wc3, dow, cnc,coh and kinda understands how RTS work should ahve no problem getting in. There are just alot of players who dont have alot of experience and thus lacking mechanics and alot of players from WoW/non rts games who simply dont get it yet,
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On April 24 2011 00:04 Almin wrote:Just got 6 pooled again. You think I'm fucking joking, but I'm sadly not. Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 00:02 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:50 Almin wrote:On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^ I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. I'm not being "hilarious" - this is exactly what happens; either macro games or shorter games that end with a powerful 1 base push. Either your definition of "cheese" is way too broad, or you are not in master's league. 6 pools, 4-5gate allin, marine/scv all in, All day baby
Now you're just lying man -.-
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i play like 4-6 games a week on my main acc which is masters (which ive fought like 2 people so far this season who have cheesed in my 50 games, i define cheese as trying to win before 6minutes or by 1 base players pulling all their scvs to attack)
then like 6-12 games a week on my friends acc that i only play when were hanging out together trading off games.
id estimate i play around 2 hrs/week on my acc and 3-4 hrs/week on my friends acc.
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I play less than 2 hours a week on my main and 1 hour a week on my smurf EU account. I work full time and go to school full time. In a few weeks our semester ends though and I'll be able to play much more.
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I can't even remember the last time that I was cheesed in master's
I probably play like 10 to 20 games per week, which is like 3 to 6 hours
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On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
2-3 hours per week.
Ladder.
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches.
oh please learn the defenition of cheese before posting nonsense.
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I'm about 600 point masters. I spent about 7 hours this week power leveling a friend from low diamond to mid masters. Beyond that mass gaming (45-9!)
but yeah, beyond that, I play like 4-6 hours a week total, 3450 prereset. I have an issue laddering continuously on my name, as I HATE losing lol. I only have 50 games on my name this season at 600 points.
I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. For every 5-6 cheesey games, I get 1 legit one. Maybe it's just my MMR or bad luck, I don't know.
These kind of comments are so funny. It's obvious a player who has a strategy they can't beat, yet refuse to try and yield to a new way around an issue.
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches.
Yawn. In the 50+ games I powerleveled, I got cheesed all of twice. Twice. One 2 rax marine scv all in on slag I saw coming a mile away and held with LESS marines.
You all do know cheese isn't unstoppable, and has a lot of tells? Builds show signs if you scout. And, you don't always have to engage right away... You can run around until 2 more marines and a hellion pop to make a marine scv more dealable instead of just running to the slaughter.
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3500 masters last season, 9ish hours per week. If you want to get into master league, start macroing every game, use the same BO religiously until you know how to hold off all sorts of cheese for whatever match up you get.
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It depends, from 0 to 20 hours a week. Average probably around 3-4 hours. I play the game to try to relax a bit.
All ladder really, don't know anyone who plays sc2 & have like no online friends.
I play a game, check the replay and use my imagination. Next time when I face a similar situation I go for a different approach. When I'm having difficulties against a certain race I come to TL and check if there is a new build or idea. Stealing a build is super easy but I normally just steal an" idea" and have my own approach, it feels more natural than trying to force a change.
tl:dr - think while you play & skim the replay. The better your focus the better results, regardless of time put into whatever you are trying to learn.
Oh, yeah 3500 last season, around top ten now.
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On April 23 2011 23:32 TGalore wrote:
Hi TL,
I expected a thread on this already but a search for it came up empty. Pretty much, what I'm hoping for in a discussion/survey is this - how many hours weekly (in general) do you Master league players spend practicing and laddering on SC2, and how often do you practice with friends/partners rather than straight up ladder? What individual practice regimens do you find most helpful to maximizing the usefulness of your time?
The reason I ask (and a bit of background about me) is that for as much as I love Starcraft 2, I simply don't have a lot of time to play and my technological resources aren't that good. I work an average of 70 hours per week, have a social life, and I live in a historic building in the middle of nowhere and thus have to rely on Mobile Broadband (with its 5GB monthly limits) as my main internet connection, which makes purchasing coaching just not an option (at least until summer). This makes my average play time each week between 6 and 12 hours.
Despite all of this, I'm strongly passionate about improving my Random-playing low diamond/high platinum self enough to attain my goal of Masters. I'm aware that not sticking to a certain race is another thing that will slow my curve, yet I find exploring all of the different matchups intriguing as well as a way to keep the game from becoming stale - and after all, the game should be about fun, right?
Anyhow, enough about me - Masters players, I want to hear from you, post away!
If you play at least 10 hours a week I think you can steadily improve. Coming from a high (thank god for GM now I can call myself that :D:D) masters player.
That's the minimum though. Depending on what's happening in rl I'll play way more trying to improve (I already have 600 ladder games for season 2...).
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Currently i probably play 2-3 hours a week but to get into masters i probably played 10 hours a week.
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i play about 10 games a week lol and 0 of them are on ladder i'm in a bit of a rut can't find motivation to play with the current state of the meta game maybe i'll be inspired soon but for now i just idle in the menus and obs or talk to people lol
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I play around 20-30 games per week, mostly during weekends and like 90% ladder.
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40+ easy O_O; even though.. I probably should be considered "grand master" but since im in masters league figured i would vote/post !
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5< hours per week. Some is that is 2v2ing with a buddy. I try to keep up with my bonus pool but failed spectacularly last season.
It really depends on what else I've got going on during the week. :-/
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I'd say half of the master level players are there from talent and half are there from game massing and cheesing every game. Players such as myself have a lot of years of experience playing RTS games, so our mechanics are sound and our understanding of the game is way way way way ahead of anyone else who started playing RTS with SC2 alone. We're able to get there with basically just RTS wisdom and experience if we are focused and playing well.
Yet at the same time, our years of experience come from our age, so a lot of us are now in our early 20s and don't have as much time for gaming as we once did. We either graduated from a university recently or we are in the later years of our education where it takes a great time of our time. So we usually end up getting into master league then going afk the rest of the season :p
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Most times I play a game a week, if I have the time. (Don't always win those..)
Then again, if I have the time, I could drill out 20 games (and win around 12-13 of them)
It's a tossup really.
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On April 24 2011 01:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I'd say half of the master level players are there from talent and half are there from game massing and cheesing every game. Players such as myself have a lot of years of experience playing RTS games, so our mechanics are sound and our understanding of the game is way way way way ahead of anyone else who started playing RTS with SC2 alone. We're able to get there with basically just RTS wisdom and experience if we are focused and playing well.
Dunno bout that, SC2 is my first RTS and I play a couple of hours a week, easily got into Master. I know lots more like myself who never played any RTS's before and are in Master League. Most people who I know that aren't in the league just don't bother thinking about why they've lost, and place the blame on the builds of their opponents.
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I only spend 5-7 hours a week due to my schedule. Wish I had more time to play -_-
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On April 24 2011 00:03 Mercury- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:57 Almin wrote:
I just got 6 pooled, feels bad man.
So many pro macro players in Masters. I rarely see Ts or Zs cheesing, Protoss' do some retarded 1 base shit like every second game against me though.
I dunno, i get mass linged in 80% of my ZvZ(and i mean the get expo make no drones -> massling), T actually gives me the least cheese(infact hardly ever at all) and Protoss is always some some sort of 1base stupid build/cannon rush in like 60% the other 40% are usually 3gate expo into something standard though
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It took a while to get to Masters, but once there I personally haven't played all that much. I'd definitely say it's more than 10 hours a week, but that's considering I never really played before maybe 2 months ago. Either way, good luck in your quest!
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I'm Mid-high masters. I barely played any SC1 (mostly like tower defense, etc), and I've played maybe 200 games total (almost all ladder) since beta. Play maybe 5 games a week max, with spurts of practice here and there (5 games a day). I win most of my games with superior macro.
Definitely goes to show that thinking about the game/studying replays can also be a good way to improve, since I clearly don't play very much at all.
I had a strong mechanics from a WC3 background though (so I was always really comfortable with hotkeys, constantly checking my producing structures, etc).
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I do not know if I'd put much faith in how much we master players spend time playing this game. There's a vast difference in the time (and effort) needed to maintain a skill and the time needed to achieve a higher skill level.
I play 5 hours or less of ladder a week. Maybe spend 10'ish doing customs with friends.
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8-10 hours a day of practice regime...?!?!? i know i have alot of time on my hands 
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On April 24 2011 02:03 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 00:03 Mercury- wrote:On April 23 2011 23:57 Almin wrote:
I just got 6 pooled, feels bad man.
So many pro macro players in Masters. I rarely see Ts or Zs cheesing, Protoss' do some retarded 1 base shit like every second game against me though. I dunno, i get mass linged in 80% of my ZvZ(and i mean the get expo make no drones -> massling), T actually gives me the least cheese(infact hardly ever at all) and Protoss is always some some sort of 1base stupid build/cannon rush in like 60% the other 40% are usually 3gate expo into something standard though
Agreed here. I would say that at least 60% of the time Protoss will do a 1-base all-in (4-gate or fake expand). Another 30% of the time is probably me cheesing him (7 pool etc), which literally always results in him 4-gating a few minutes in, or other things like cannon cheese, etc. I would definitely say that 4 gate is more common than 3 gate expand, though.
Terran usually isn't cheesy, unless you consider 2-rax mass bunker rushes to be cheesy (which is like 30-40% of games, depending on map).
ZvZ usually isn't cheesy either, I guess?
So basically:
PvZ: Pure cheesefest
TvZ: low cheese
ZvZ: low cheese
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I suppose my original question was poorly worded in hindsight - I was really looking for peoples experiences on how long it took to get to Master league and what steps helped get them there most efficiently. Still, knowing how much time it takes to maintain is still beneficial.
What I've learned so far from this is that I need to spend more time analyzing replays rather than just taking time to think between losses...and that I'm encouraged at the poll results from earlier saying it doesn't take a huge time investment to maintain once you get there. I really do work 70+ a week (teacher, coach, and dorm supervisor at a high school) but hopefully this summer I will have time to buckle down and work seriously at it. Last time I had a two week break, I went from platinum to diamond.
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On April 24 2011 02:01 Crowels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 01:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I'd say half of the master level players are there from talent and half are there from game massing and cheesing every game. Players such as myself have a lot of years of experience playing RTS games, so our mechanics are sound and our understanding of the game is way way way way ahead of anyone else who started playing RTS with SC2 alone. We're able to get there with basically just RTS wisdom and experience if we are focused and playing well.
Dunno bout that, SC2 is my first RTS and I play a couple of hours a week, easily got into Master. I know lots more like myself who never played any RTS's before and are in Master League. Most people who I know that aren't in the league just don't bother thinking about why they've lost, and place the blame on the builds of their opponents.
You must realize that in the RTS community, there are very few people concerned with why they actually lost. Just look at the SC2 strategy forum 
You're right though, anyone who is mature enough to actually improve will make it to master league.
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On April 24 2011 00:19 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 00:04 Almin wrote:Just got 6 pooled again. You think I'm fucking joking, but I'm sadly not. On April 24 2011 00:02 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:50 Almin wrote:On April 23 2011 23:47 natewOw wrote:On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. It's not only inaccurate, it's like the exact opposite of what actually happens, and I seriously doubt the guy who posted that is in master's. Anyway OP, I spend about 60-90 minutes on weekdays and maybe a couple hours on weekends playing. Not this weekend tho cause im at my parents' house for easter^^ I guess most people in Masters get in Masters by just outplaying people in a macro game? bahahahaha don't be so hilarious. I'm not being "hilarious" - this is exactly what happens; either macro games or shorter games that end with a powerful 1 base push. Either your definition of "cheese" is way too broad, or you are not in master's league. 6 pools, 4-5gate allin, marine/scv all in, All day baby Now you're just lying man -.-
I mean it definitely depends on where you are in masters and what race you play.
As P on my main account where I'm playing high masters/GM players all day, I almost never get cheesed in anything besides PvP. I mean, I guess if you count 1 base PvT marine/tank/raven/whatever and buki-builds, then maybe 10-15% of my games are cheese, but those builds aren't frustrating to play against, and they only work if you slip up on macro.
And even in PvP, it's super-standard cannon rushes. I never get proxy gated anymore.
OTOH, when I played Z for a week on a smurf, where I was playing people who were 3300-3500 last season, I got 4 gate nexus cancelled, cannon rushed, 2 rax super fucking all-in'd at least 50% of my non ZvZ games. I don't understand ZvZ enough to know wtf is considered cheese.
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You can't really compare yourself to other players. Some masters got there in no time despite having no RTS experience. Some got there by playing 2000 games. Most of us lie somewhere in the middle.
I think you should just play the game and enjoy the process. Goals are fun (getting masters was a goal for me too), but if you get too serious it will suck the fun away. When I was gunning to get promoted and would go on a losing streak, I'd get super pissed and have zero fun. When I just get super high and try to play well and focus without worrying about results, its tons of fun and I usually do better too.
I play 20-30 ladder games a week. It took me about 500 games to get to masters.
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On April 23 2011 23:46 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:44 Chill wrote:I play about 5-10 hours a week, all ladder. On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. I guess I inflated my %, it's more like 70%, my bad.
Maybe in NA yeah.
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I would say I was at the masters level somewhere during the beta, since I got promoted to it as soon as it came out once I played a single game (as well as diamond) so its a little hard to say how many games it took. I think I had about 300 games or so before I was at the top of my platinum league in beta. This was with no RTS experience coming into sc2. My experience with staying in masters is much like everyone else in this thread.
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Hihi,
My ign is SolidPyre and I'm a 400point master player with about 180 bonus pool^^. I don't play that often to be honest, for me the game is natural. I didn't play broodwar and I bought starcraft 2 just like any other xbox game that I buy. I had no experience in RTS, infact I mainly played the all too familiar Runescape on the pc (as a level 128 for anyone that knows the game). I play mainly custom games with my team (solid) and play maybe 1-2 hours a night and weekends maybe 4-6. I'm also only 16 years old and so have more time on my hands than say someone who has to work. This is all I can say for now, hope it helped.
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I play anywhere from 30-40 games a day and i'm sitting 800 pts or so right now.
So roughly about 8-12 hours a day varying and I can balance out time for my 2 yr old and active duty military during the weekdays (rarely weekends).
Just takes time and dedication and you'll get there. Just keep up the hard work.
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3-5 Hours a week.
700 Points Master.
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I play probably 5-10 hours per week.
99% of the games I play are ladder games.
I spend a decent amount of time watching streams.
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On April 23 2011 23:46 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:44 Chill wrote:I play about 5-10 hours a week, all ladder. On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. I guess I inflated my %, it's more like 70%, my bad.
Not even 50% honestly...
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I play about 4 hours a day, so that's about 28 hours a week.
I'm only diamond, so I think there's more to it than just time to get into master's.
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im in GM and i play only like 10-20 ladder games a week at most while maintaining my rank
and probably twice as many in customs
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On April 24 2011 05:37 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 23:46 Almin wrote:On April 23 2011 23:44 Chill wrote:I play about 5-10 hours a week, all ladder. On April 23 2011 23:39 Almin wrote:
You can easily get into Masters & stay in Masters if you can "master" defending cheese, which is 98% of the time in Master league matches. I don't find this to be accurate in the slightest. I guess I inflated my %, it's more like 70%, my bad. Not even 50% honestly...
Agreed, I'm 700 pt masters and I see cheese in around 1/10 games
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depends on my motivation. i've had a couple of months where i played about 1 hour/month and then a few weeks where i've played 30 hours/week. right now i'm averaging about 30min/week.
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