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On April 23 2011 23:53 Naftali wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 22:42 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
Does no one else worry about patronizing a company owned by Rupert Murdoch? I just can't bring myself to have anything to do with IGN, regardless of how high quality it is. If I let my politics guide all of my decisions about who to patronize, I might starve to death. I'm shopping at Target right now, even though the owners are homophobic jerks. Chik-fil-a is run by fundamentalists, but the chicken sandwiches are delicious.
I think by "Chik-fil-a" you mean: "Fuck, it's Sunday"
but yeah, other than the leaked brackets, I think IGN did an awesome job.
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On April 23 2011 15:12 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 15:05 Tschis wrote:On April 23 2011 14:47 Alex.IGN wrote:VODs of Day 2 are up! To find games from previous days, filter by games. This site is still very much a work in progress so the site will improve! Please continue to give us feedback as the site evolves! http://www.ign.com/ipl/videos Please, if you're not going to allow downloading the VODs, at least make it possible to load the whole video without having to actually be watching it, because for people with slow connection, you can't watch it directly, and if you leave it loading, it will only load a couple minutes and then stop. I mean, make it able to press play, start loading, press pause, and then wait untill the whole video is loaded so I can watch without pauses. It doesn't do that for you? It loads for me just fine when I pause.
Nope, it doesn't.
It's really not "bad connection friendly".
I have to watch 2 minutes, then wait it load another 2, then watch those 2 and wait even more.
And I can't fast forward too...
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@emythrel
They actually had way more than a week, from what I heard it was played a month ago... Hell the spoiled brackets have been out for a couple of days...
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<3 the IPL.
I think it's a little hard to navigate their VODs but the quality of games, casting, editing and interviews has been top notch.
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IGN is a great production. The quality is unrivaled. I do wish they could find casters that are players. The play-by-play casting may be entertaining to others but I want in the minds of the players and casting by somebody who knows what they are talking about not just some mindless babble about how this 1 stalker is doing some sick micro! and has like 4 kills! I can see that, don't need anybody to tell me
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On April 24 2011 02:48 Halcyondaze wrote:
IGN is a great production. The quality is unrivaled. I do wish they could find casters that are players. The play-by-play casting may be entertaining to others but I want in the minds of the players and casting by somebody who knows what they are talking about not just some mindless babble about how this 1 stalker is doing some sick micro! and has like 4 kills! I can see that, don't need anybody to tell me
The IGN is not aimed at hardcore SC2 fans, it is aimed at a casual audience, hence the commentary is simple, for the simple man/woman.
Hell most people on this forums could do without commentary in ANY sc2 game and fully understand what is going on, who is ahead etcetera. It is not aimed at you, it is aimed at a much broader audience.
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On April 23 2011 23:24 emythrel wrote:
I wish people would stop comparing an endevour live the NASL with the TSL and IPL.
they are working from completely different formats, IPL is cast from replays, a week before airing. This means they have a week to edit and encode the videos. They don't have interviews, or analysis on the matches or maps, and no live video of the casters. Thats simply nothing like as complicated as the NASL broadcast which has live casters, casting live games, with analysis and interviews, edited and encoded in under 48 hours for broadcast..... and Friday night's broadcast was almost perfect quality..... its such a shame people give up on things so damn fast these days.
The TSL is similar to the IPL production wise, except that its broadcast live, using replays. But again, no live caster video, only game footage and overlays. Which are way simpler than NASL. Both IPL and TSL are very polished, and awesome, but simply not of the same ambition as NASL.
Short memories seem to be evident in this community, because the first 3 seasons of GSL had a terrible streaming experience and the VOD's took forever to load and were choppy because they simply didn't have the bandwidth they needed. Everyone still paid and stuck with them, they said they were improving the stream and they did..... NASL's free stream is the same quality as the GSL PAID stream, NASL is $25 for 3 months of 25 matches per week, 1080p stream and VODs. GSL is $10 per month and only runs 3 out of 4 weeks in that month, showing a max of 4 bo3 matches per day. People rarely complain about GSL anymore, but it took them 3 months of us sticking with them before they got it right.
If we gave organisations a chance to work out the kinks, which the guys at wellplayed.org got to do with the SC Reddit opens and the SCRI, all of which had excellent production, then we might be more satisfied. Criticism is great, but shouting at the top of your voice how shit something is and then not giving them more than 48 hours to fix everything is just moronic.
Well said, give NASL a chance guys. It has insane potential. A constant supply of TOP quality games. Really good players and a high prize pool. Give them a chance to get back on their feet and give us something amazing.
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Well, they had HD casting with PainUser; was really the best of both worlds, I thought.
Maybe would be wise of them to attach a professional to each established play-by-play caster as a matter of course but I don't think they suffer too much for it.
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The quality of production as presented is really really good but I think they need to figure something out to make this feel like an actual tournament. So far, it's a bit like random youtube casts strung together.
Casters changing is to blame maybe, but definitely that they apparently don't know what order the games will be shown in. Or the casters just did them whenever they felt like it and I think it shows.
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IGN seems to serve the people that are more casual viewers.
The production costs must be a lot due to the quality shown.
I also loved the fact that there is not long pre-show before the actual show.
Caster wise, I dont think I have a preference for NASL or IGNProLeague.
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Nice post by emythrel. Props.
My pros and cons are as follows:
IPL:
+ Show Spoiler +Pros:
Rediculoulsy good production values
Weren't overly ambitious: Starting small, working towards larger endeavors
Great graphics
Popular, experienced casters.
Doesn't alienate N00bs or pros.
1080p stream
FREE VODS!!! <--- The Best
Interviews and Hype videos
Korean Player anouncer!
Cons:
Not a lot of players yet...
Few big names
No international players
CatsPajamas...
NASL:
+ Show Spoiler +Pros:
Tons of player.
ALL the big names
Huge shows
News articles
Player interviews
Casted Live
Cons:
Lag
Greedy with the monetization.
PAY VODs...
You even have to pay for interviews?!
Gretorp..
Walkovers
Lag
TSL:
+ Show Spoiler +Pros:
The best casters. Ever.
Great players!
Big names
Great production values
Experience
Casted Live
Cons:
Server lag for international players
Bias
Slow schedule
GSL:
+ Show Spoiler +Pros:
Artosis
Highest production values
It's in Korea
Cultural significance
All the best Korean Progamers
Reasonable balance of Free/Pay content
Casted Live
The players are actually there, in studio
Cons:
Tasteless
Blizzards heavy-handed method of enforcing its IP rights.
Lack of international players
Self-focused
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Things were really well done by IGN. I echo alot of the compliments in this thread.
Just wanted to specifically give some props to HD and PainUser who were really good together. The conversation between the two is really smooth. I feel like they're the lead commentary booth, reserved for casting championship and all the most important matches.
Although I'd prefer expert commentary, I'm actually ok with TotalBiscuit doing a solo cast as long as it isn't critical matches. He's more of a personality caster, so he's got that going for him if you like it, but I can see him turning others off. It can be as much about him as about the sc2 match you're watching. Of course, I'd try him out with some expert analyst, but I'm not sure who would have good chemistry with him.
As for DJWheat, I like him, but he really needs a analyst co-caster imo. He's not as a strong of a personality caster. He's always worked really well with Day9, so that's the first person that comes to mind.
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VODs takes forever to load
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On April 24 2011 03:21 rapidtransit247 wrote:Nice post by emythrel. Props. My pros and cons are as follows: IPL: + Show Spoiler +Pros:
Rediculoulsy good production values
Weren't overly ambitious: Starting small, working towards larger endeavors
Great graphics
Popular, experienced casters.
Doesn't alienate N00bs or pros.
1080p stream
FREE VODS!!! <--- The Best
Interviews and Hype videos
Korean Player anouncer!
Cons:
Not a lot of players yet...
Few big names
No international players
CatsPajamas... NASL: + Show Spoiler +Pros:
Tons of player.
ALL the big names
Huge shows
News articles
Player interviews
Casted Live
Cons:
Lag
Greedy with the monetization.
PAY VODs...
You even have to pay for interviews?!
Gretorp..
Walkovers
Lag TSL: + Show Spoiler +Pros:
The best casters. Ever.
Great players!
Big names
Great production values
Experience
Casted Live
Cons:
Server lag for international players
Bias
Slow schedule GSL: + Show Spoiler +Pros:
Artosis
Highest production values
It's in Korea
Cultural significance
All the best Korean Progamers
Reasonable balance of Free/Pay content
Casted Live
The players are actually there, in studio
Cons:
Tasteless
Blizzards heavy-handed method of enforcing its IP rights.
Lack of international players
Self-focused
Wait... Did you not read what you said for the GSL and NASL.
GSL Pro: Reasonable balance of Free/Pay content
NASL Con: PAY VODs...
They're the exact same model. You have to pay for vods for both of them. GOM provides 1 free for all thematches as a teaser but you need to pay for the rest. :/ Except for their benefit Japan event, but they're doing that to raise donations.
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Never really been a big IGN fan, not because I dislike the site or anything... I just never really used it.
But wow, the production quality on the IPL is pretty amazing. I've definitely been impressed with the league.
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I wish one of these American leagues other than TSL could organize their VODs in some sort of professional manner. I clicked on the iNcontrol match from the videos page on the IPL page and five video popped up and from the names of those videos i could see the results of the first match... Please just go to GOM.tv and mimic their schedule page and their VOD set up. It's perfect, don;t reinvent the wheel, just organize them into matches and add a fake no-spoiler video and be done. It doesn't seem like it could possibly be that hard... gee whiz
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On April 24 2011 03:29 Spicy Pepper wrote:
As for DJWheat, I like him, but he really needs a analyst co-caster imo. He's not as a strong of a personality caster.
How is this possible? I'm an obviously bias Zerg caster. You must play Terran ^_^
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On April 24 2011 02:48 Halcyondaze wrote:
IGN is a great production. The quality is unrivaled. I do wish they could find casters that are players. The play-by-play casting may be entertaining to others but I want in the minds of the players and casting by somebody who knows what they are talking about not just some mindless babble about how this 1 stalker is doing some sick micro! and has like 4 kills! I can see that, don't need anybody to tell me
Haha I agree so much with this. I'm waiting for a caster to just be silent for a while 
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Love wheats casting and I'm in grandmaster. I don't understand the hate on play by play casters by the people on tl. Great work IGN!
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