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On April 22 2011 22:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Uff, I am sorry if I offended you. I actually didn't come yet to the VODs that you casted. DJwheat for sure didn't offer anything more. Actually my post is not a complaint, just a suggestion to make this even better. At the moment I feel IPL has the most chance to make something happen (at least in US) so if there is a way to make the casting and production even better it would be to bring us the human story behind the players. If you been watching GSL this season the video they done on MKP was just beautiful.
I do not suggest that IPL does something like that now (but they could eventually if IPL becomes much bigger), but casters giving little tidbits of personal info about players during casts would go a long way to make people that are not players of SC2 interested in watching.
You didn't offend anyone, it was just a curious criticism. However I'll take it as, people want more colour and player history, which makes total sense, so I'll try and integrate that into future casts.
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On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote:
I prefer the NASL, at least for now.
I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that.
Its not a "noob friendly approach" but rather a "viewer friendly approach". You can even be an expert at the game and still watch - and enjoy - the IPL. These things arent excluding each other. If you go about it like that other dude here in the thread who says "HD and PainUser are casting so I dont watch the IPL" you are the arrogant one and not the IPL. There have been suggestions for improvement of bad casters for other leagues, so why not for the IPL? Because its the "noob tournament"? If you say that you are kidding yourself, because the players are "the usual suspects" of top level players (with the focus on "the west", i.e. no Koreans).
On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote:
IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be.
I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor.
It should be pretty obvious that the IPL and the NASL dont overlap, because the formats are totally different and one of them has Koreans while the other focuses (deliberately) on "white guys". All this "IPL is for noobs, NASL is for pros" is just a lot of elitist nonsense.
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If IPL production quality was merged with the NASL player base and the GSL in depth player videos... We would have the best of all worlds.
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On April 22 2011 22:28 Doodsmack wrote:
I think that in a fairly short amount of time, NASL will have improved its production value and stream quality greatly, and will come to blow IPL out of the water overall as a tournament. The people whining about NASL because they aren't patient enough to give it a couple of weeks will be biting their words when the tournament is going down to the wire, there is an epic amount of money at stake, and the best players in the world are duking it out in person. Meanwhile, IPL will have solo casters who provide zero analysis whatsoever and games that were played a week beforehand. NASL will have Chill, Day9, and probably Artosis guest-casting. Let's be honest, the excitement of teh final rounds of NASL will be very intense, and memories of spoiled brats on TL complaining about their "wasted money" will be distant.
So on top of predicting the future, you're saying only NASL will improve and IPL won't. Bitter much?
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On April 22 2011 22:55 Jonstah wrote:
I don't really see why people are bashing NASL. Yes, IGN's production is very nice, and other than the solo caster is will be an amazing tourny. Unfortunately, the winner was leaked before the first set of games, and if you want to compare, every mistake the NASL made combined is nowhere near as tragic as that.
I really hope they get a second caster in for season 2, and avoid future leaks. If they do, IGN will be well worth the watch!
Hahah I didn't even know that happened, but that's hilarious, the full bracket for the thing is just a google search away. GJ to the site that got the info.
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All I gotta say is...damn, our community is blessed right now to have all these amazing leagues/tournaments to watch. So many great games every night of the week. Can't wait to see where all of this is after a couple months - so excited!
Welcome aboard, IPL <3
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On April 22 2011 23:04 Corrik wrote:
If IPL production quality was merged with the NASL player base and the GSL in depth player videos... We would have the best of all worlds.
I have thought about a "streamlining" of the Starcraft leagues by merging them on one channel ... at least NASL and IPL ... but sadly they are separate businesses and there are always "personal egos" (of the companies) involved, so it wont work.
On April 22 2011 22:51 snailz wrote:
hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is.
Nah ... get a TB + TLO combo for this. TLO was hilarious at his casts with Day9 and he would bring the "expertise" to the commentary. Even though TB sleeps / works on an EST schedule it might be a bit hard to merge his schedule with DJWheat.
P.S.: I like the IPLs approach to VODs with NOT having a jump button to the 2nd / 3rd game as these things spoil part of the results.
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The commentary was awesome! Of course, some of this might just be the fact that I love the british accent (thumb's up, TB!) and of course, djWheat is amazing as always.
I think the street fighter-type graphics was really cool but I wonder - I think the WP.org guys did a great job but I thought I read/heard somewhere that NASL was going to use those guys too? Is that true? If so, I can only hope that the NASL quality will get better!
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On April 22 2011 22:50 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 22:47 snailz wrote:
hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is. Wat? No. DJWheat cannot stop once he starts talking and that will mean we will hear much less of TB 
Ever heard day9 featuring wheat? Wheat is a pro-caster and knows exactly how to act with a partner. 
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The production value is goddamn amazing, best quality possible, running incredibly smooth. I get iphonelow quality on NASL on J.tv and then IPL gives me free 1080p? How is that even possible?
As for the games, they weren't that great, and the tournament doesn't have such huge names, BUT it's only the "beta tournament", for testing things and setting them straight, in that sense, it's AMAZING. I'm happy, it's such an awesome time to be an SC2 fan, I can just sit and watch all day long, I've seriously stopped watching any TV at all lol.
This is awesome, thanks IGN. And with qualifier tournament it will only get better.
EDIT: Also, results leaking is unacceptable, this cannot happen again. But to be fair it also happened to the NASL lol (Showing game 3 of ClouD vs Painuser first),
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IGN definitly show why they are a true established compagny in terms of production value.
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On April 22 2011 23:00 Rabiator wrote:
It should be pretty obvious that the IPL and the NASL dont overlap, because the formats are totally different and one of them has Koreans while the other focuses (deliberately) on "white guys". All this "IPL is for noobs, NASL is for pros" is just a lot of elitist nonsense.
It focus's on North American server players, playing out of North America. If MC lived here, I'm sure they would invite him, don't say it focuses on white guys, it not a racial thing.
And people are talking like the players in the league are terrible players, 12/16 are playing in the NASL. and Minigun was like one of the last 2 cut. If they opened it up to Europe it would be great, KR to NA lag can be almost unplayable, or not bad, it varies wildly. Some of the NASL players seem to not have terrible lag, others can't stay in the game.
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On April 22 2011 15:22 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:38 DirtYLOu wrote:
IPL >>>>>> NASL
And to think that NASL has SO MUCH more money, and still IPL's production is better... Wait what? NASL has more money than IGN? Just because they have a bigger prise pool doesn't mean they have more money. IGN is a huge company that has way more money than NASL.
I think NASL should've taken 300,000$ from their price pool and dropped on their production instead. Their "amazing" studio has a static camera pointing at a desk with a piece of cloth behind it.
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On April 22 2011 23:13 sansalvador wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 22:50 -Archangel- wrote:On April 22 2011 22:47 snailz wrote:
hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is. Wat? No. DJWheat cannot stop once he starts talking and that will mean we will hear much less of TB Ever heard day9 featuring wheat? Wheat is a pro-caster and knows exactly how to act with a partner.
Yeah you're absolutely right, Wheat has the experience to adapt to any co-casting situation, however I think if you're going to co-cast, you should use play-by-play/analyst combos not play-by-play/play-by-play, because it does a disservice to the part of your audience that wants indepth information. You can at least have an excuse for focusing on a particular style when you're solo-casting, but not when there's two of you.
Meanwhile, IPL will have solo casters who provide zero analysis whatsoever and games that were played a week beforehand.
You don't seem to understand how IPL works. It's a 16 man tournament double-elim, we'll be done in few days and working on the much larger Season 2 with qualifiers and a dual-casting roster. If you would like to know more about how IPL works, there's an FAQ on the site.
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On April 22 2011 23:13 sansalvador wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 22:50 -Archangel- wrote:On April 22 2011 22:47 snailz wrote:
hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is. Wat? No. DJWheat cannot stop once he starts talking and that will mean we will hear much less of TB Ever heard day9 featuring wheat? Wheat is a pro-caster and knows exactly how to act with a partner.
Well, what I heard was DJWheat talking most of the time while Day9 getting a chance here and there to give some analysis and say something funny. Since DJWheat and TB are both play-by-play casters they both need to be the guy that talks most of the time, and no offense to DJWheat (I think he is a great caster) but TB is more interesting to listen and brings more energy into his casts (well that is from before, I have not had the time to listen to TB in IPL)
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The quality was really sick for a free stream definitely of GSL quality or higher. I was experiencing a little bit of choppiness but from what most people have posted that seems to have been on my end. Also the graphics/transitions and what have you were really well done and gave the whole thing a professional look.
Looking forward to the rest of the tournament fa sho.
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Top 5 reasons why IGN IPL is awesome, and honestly.....Probably the death of the NASL.
1)FREE 1080p live streaming. Which was flawless last night.
2)FREE 1080p vods, which have been awesome
3) Better tournament format IMO. I understand that the NASL will be more down to the wire closer to the end of the divisional series. But should you really have ANY fluff?
4) Better production value. I know alot of people are saying "But NASL doesn't have the money that IGN does, and it's only 5 guys working the NASL" which is true. But does that mean I should watch something of lesser quality, while something of higher quality is on the next channel?
5) Caster rotation. Even though I would like to see them pair up the casters. I think the casters they have are much much better than gretorp and Incontrol, and honestly I am really not a fan of Gretorp or incontrol. But of course this is just my opinion. No malice, I just don't really like their casting styles.
The only thing I think NASL has over IGN is the player pool. But at the same time, I think their tournament format nullifies the allure of the player pool they have. Feel free to agree or disagree, but please no flaming as once again; These are my OPINIONS
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The visual/audio quality of the IPL was handsdown fantastic!
Dj Wheat is a really talented casting personality, as well, but he needs a co-caster to keep things spicy. I hope the IPL adds another caster for deeper analysis.... and the post-fight interviews! Bam--just like live boxing, baby!
Everyone is talking about the NASL because (1) they're in conflicting time spots, so they are fighting over the same viewerships, and (2) they are both non-LAN-based leagues, which mean that the recording and broadcasting should be similar.
The quality of the IPL makes NASL look amateur, at best.
The NASL was really hyped up, and generated high expectations as to the production quality. They have consistently under-delivered those promises, and we can't help to think that the quality of their streams should be comparable to the IPL's.
I fear that, should the NASL not improve the quality of their stream, it will be overshadowed by the IPL, and that is a legitimate concern that many people in this thread have been voicing.
It's too bad, because the amount of funding behind the NASL is exactly what the e-sports scene needs to gather a bigger fan-base, and the organization will likely succumb to a competitor that offers less payout to professional players.
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Just from watching an hour of last nights IPL, I'm very excited. Granted I don't watch too much of streams at night but they just pack more action in than NASL. I don't need to hear all these introductions before matchs and map analysis. I've played the maps and seen the players many times. I think IPL lends itself to the active starcraft player/fan very well. If I have 1-2 hours to watch a stream at night It'll be IPL > NASL just because I get that much more action and less talk.
On April 22 2011 23:23 FunnelC4kes wrote:
Dj Wheat is a really talented casting personality, as well, but he needs a co-caster to keep things spicy. I hope the IPL adds another caster for deeper analysis.... and the post-fight interviews! Bam--just like live boxing, baby.
They already said that they will have dual casters for season 2. They only have the single casters for season 1 (the test season) 
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VOD flaws:
If you accidentally click on the browser window outside the video, you lose the loaded vod in progress and it goes back to the beginning.
If you do this on game 2 or game 3, it will take you back to game 1 and you have no convenient way of skipping straight to a certain game.
Please add a next game or game selection button to the vod player.. And learn from Gom by keeping a 3rd game "shell" for every series regardless of whether it goes 2 or 3 games.
Also, the Menu function doesn't do anything useful for me
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